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Post by anthonyrocks on Aug 8, 2017 9:53:24 GMT
Nicholas Meyer originally wanted to bring back Saavik and have her be the Traitor but because of several factors (He couldn't convince Kirstie Alley to return to play her again, Kim Cattrall wasn't willing to be the 3rd actress to play Saavik, and Gene Roddenberry didn't like the idea of having Saavik who was loved by Trek Fans becoming a traitor), Meyer then changed it and made the traitor be a New Character (which Kim Cattrall was willing to play) which was Valeris.
That being said, Could you seriously imagine if it was really Saavik (played by either Kirstie Alley or Robin Curtis) in the 2 videos above and all of the tension and emotions that just the Sickbay Scene itself in the 1st video above would have had and all of the emotions that Trek Fans would have had and felt while watching it if she was the one that was holding the Phaser and Kirk, Spock (especially Spock), and McCoy all reacted the same way that they do when they catch her.
I think that it would have all really been something. What does everyone else here think ?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 7, 2017 5:41:07 GMT
Shoulda gone with Saavik. The traitor being some random new character (that was blatantly standing in for Saavik, no less) zapped any emotion out of it.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Sept 15, 2017 19:45:36 GMT
It worked fine the way they did it.
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Post by leesilm on Sept 15, 2017 22:24:40 GMT
I remember reading, way back, that Saavik was also supposed to be revealed to have been biracial (or multiracial, in the same interview they described her as being conceptialized as half-Vulcan/half-Romulan and as being the result of a half-Vulcan coupling with a half-Romulan, so she was 1/4 Romulan, 1/4 Vulcan, and 1/2 human) and that there was a push to get her to be a love interest for Spock. Nemoy thought it was stupid for them to shove Spock into a romance with a new character, plus he was very much against putting Spock with someone young enough to be the character's daughter (or even granddaughter), so he refused. I honestly can't imagine Nemoy's Spock having gotten into a relationship with a 'kid', no matter what her background. The only person from the original series I ever thought it might work out with was Uhura (just watch the eps where he plays and she sings), and she was much closer to his age and life experience (She did boldy go where no man had gone before, beside he, Kirk, and Bones, after all) than Saavik. I'm not even sure I would have bought a romance between Sybok and a much-younger female.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 0:59:42 GMT
I remember reading, way back, that Saavik was also supposed to be revealed to have been biracial In the novelisation, Saavik is the result of her mother being captured by the Romulans and raped by a Romulan officer. The man kept her mother alive, repeatedly raping her until she became pregnant, and then keeping her alive until she delivered - all so that she could spend the rest of her life reminded of what was done to her every time she saw her daughter. At one point she states that if she were ever to meet her father she would kill him instantly. This is why Saavik is more emotional than most Vulcans in Wrath of Khan - saying "Damn!" during the Kobyashi Maru, crying at Spock's funeral, etc. Spock was meant to have been a mentor to her, the man who taught her Vulcan culture and emotional control as a way to cope with the demons of her past. As described in the book, IIRC, the relationship was never romantic - it was purely one of teacher/mentor and student. In fact Saavik had a romance with David, Kirk's son. It's a fascinating story, I always wished it could have made it to the screen. And yeah, it would have made the betrayal in The Undiscovered Country really brutal. Meyer wanted to do it, but Roddenberry nixed it on the grounds that it was something Saavik would never do. Which offended Meyer, since he had created the character in the first place for Khan and Roddenberry had nothing to do with her. |
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Post by anthonyrocks on Sept 19, 2017 14:21:28 GMT
There is a very very brief deleted scene in "STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN" where Spock tells Kirk that Saavik is Half-Romulan.
Here it is below!
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Sept 23, 2017 6:53:01 GMT
I wasn't sure where I'd heard it, but I had heard that Saavik was only half-Vulcan like Spock, so her being a traitor would have been too easy, even if shocking because of fan attachment to her.
Now a full, pure, 100% Vulcan being part of an assassination conspiracy plot in collusion with rogue Klingons -- that to me is definitely unexpected and shocking.
Logic at any cost -- even at the expense of innocent lives taken on purpose and ultimately for a selfish motivation rather than sacrificially for a greater good.
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