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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 14, 2017 22:31:34 GMT
They're the ones that don't make any effort to tie in their TV shows or have tie in comics. What about the DCEU is extended? It's pretty isolated isn't it? The DCIU?
It's the MCU that has numerous TV shows and comics that all tie in, although I wouldn't want that to be called the "extended universe". No, it is not at all. Before, the cinematic universe only had Superman and Batman and only films from those two franchises were made (with exception to "Steel" - which could still be considered part of the Superman family, Catwoman - which could still be considered part of the Batman family, and Green Lantern). Now they have extended the universe to include other characters/franchises such as Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg, and Green Lantern. Just because it is called and "Extended Universe", it doesn't mean nor necessitate that is expands into the Television Universe. That might be something you want to see, but you don't get to define what "Extended" means. Jonah Hex, also. Has Brolin played more comic book characters than any other actor? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 15, 2017 0:42:48 GMT
No, it is not at all. Before, the cinematic universe only had Superman and Batman and only films from those two franchises were made (with exception to "Steel" - which could still be considered part of the Superman family, Catwoman - which could still be considered part of the Batman family, and Green Lantern). Now they have extended the universe to include other characters/franchises such as Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg, and Green Lantern. Just because it is called and "Extended Universe", it doesn't mean nor necessitate that is expands into the Television Universe. That might be something you want to see, but you don't get to define what "Extended" means. Jonah Hex, also. Has Brolin played more comic book characters than any other actor? Chris Evans is up there. He was in The Losers (DC), Snowpiercer, the first two Fantastic Four films, Captain America, Casey Jones in TMNT....maybe more. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 15, 2017 4:17:46 GMT
They're the ones that don't make any effort to tie in their TV shows or have tie in comics. What about the DCEU is extended? It's pretty isolated isn't it? The DCIU?
It's the MCU that has numerous TV shows and comics that all tie in, although I wouldn't want that to be called the "extended universe". No, it is not at all. Before, the cinematic universe only had Superman and Batman and only films from those two franchises were made (with exception to "Steel" - which could still be considered part of the Superman family, Catwoman - which could still be considered part of the Batman family, and Green Lantern). Now they have extended the universe to include other characters/franchises such as Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg, and Green Lantern. Just because it is called and "Extended Universe", it doesn't mean nor necessitate that is expands into the Television Universe. That might be something you want to see, but you don't get to define what "Extended" means. Excellent post! ArArchStanton just got owned! |
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 15, 2017 16:19:07 GMT
Jonah Hex, also. Has Brolin played more comic book characters than any other actor? Chris Evans is up there. He was in The Losers (DC), Snowpiercer, the first two Fantastic Four films, Captain America, Casey Jones in TMNT....maybe more. Brolin was in MIB3, Sin City 2, Thanos, Jonah Hex, Old Boy (manga), Cable. The other Chris Evans comic book movie was Scott Pilgrim. Just saw a list counting Evans playing Loki in Thor 2. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 7:58:41 GMT
Actually it has been confirmed by DC 'Krypton' will be set in the DCEU and will be somewhat of a prequel to 'Man of Steel' with a number of major Superman characters set to appear in the TV show. With Geoff Johns confirming there are plans to have more Bat Family characters in the DCEU movies and FINALLY reflect the comic books the definition of 'Extended' is going to fit the DCEU perfectly. For one the Bat Universe is WAY bigger than the MCU and with the Batman, Batgirl, Nightwing, Gotham City Sirens and Suicide Squad confirmed add the rest of the Universe to it in the New 52 and Rebirth and we get Birds of Prey, Titans, Batwoman, Red Hood and the Outlaws, Catwoman, Gotham Academy, Batman Beyond etc along with the Spoiler, Red Robin, Orphan and Bluebird for the first time in Batman solo movies. Birds of Prey and Titans can also set up Black Canary, Green Arrow, the Huntress, Raven and Starfire movies. The Bat Family is the biggest selling entity in the history of comic books with over $1.5 billion (more than Spider-Man, X Men, Captain America and the Fantastic Four combined) in sales combined and we have yet to even see a quarter of them in movies but that is set to change big time in upcoming movies.  So what about all the other shows they made no effort to tie in? How much comics sell has nothing to do with what I'm saying so I don't know why you brought it up.
‘Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD’ would have been heaps better if it had no connection to the MCU ‘cause they could have had a lot of Marvel superheroes appear in the show and just used different actors to play them but they made it impossible ‘cause the show can’t afford Robert Downey Jr, Scarlet Johansson or the Chris’s. If DC/Warner Bros had gone down the Marvel path they would have never been able to have characters like Superman in ‘Supergirl’ ‘cause the CW Network couldn’t afford Henry Cavail and the ‘Gotham’ show would have never worked as a prequel to ‘The Batman.’  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 8:16:33 GMT
Meh, not every franchise needs a Tv tie in. Plus if DC did that than people will complain that they're just ripping off of marvel. They are ripping off Marvel by starting a cinematic universe of their own. Hell, they had to rip off Marvel when they made Wonder Woman. Why stop now?
Aside from that the shared universe concept has been around for decades in movies, TV shows, comic books and originated in novels. What DC and Marvel are doing now is no different than the Mickey Mouse Universe, Universal Monsters Universe or the Beverly Hillbillies and Happy Days Universes on TV which connected them on to Green Acres and Petticoat Junction and Laverne and Shirley and Mork and Mindy. Image Comics did it in the 90s to a much larger extent with Witchblade being set in the same universe as Cyberforce, Razor, the Crow, Strike, Shi, Lady Death, the Ravening, Belladonna, Hellina, Pandora, Cyblade, Spawn, Tomb Raider, Red Sonja, Fathom, Soulfire, Battle of the Planets, Mars Attacks, WildC.A.T.s, Gen 13, Savage Dragon, Conan the Barbarian, Painkiller Jane, Hellboy, Warrior Nun Arela, Poizon, Morbid Angel etc along with its spin off series like the Darkness, Aphrodite IX, The Magdalena, the Angelus, the Necromancer, Switch, Artifacts, Sunstone, IXth Generation etc.  |
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 16, 2017 9:06:59 GMT
So what about all the other shows they made no effort to tie in? How much comics sell has nothing to do with what I'm saying so I don't know why you brought it up.
‘Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD’ would have been heaps better if it had no connection to the MCU ‘cause they could have had a lot of Marvel superheroes appear in the show and just used different actors to play them but they made it impossible ‘cause the show can’t afford Robert Downey Jr, Scarlet Johansson or the Chris’s. If DC/Warner Bros had gone down the Marvel path they would have never been able to have characters like Superman in ‘Supergirl’ ‘cause the CW Network couldn’t afford Henry Cavail and the ‘Gotham’ show would have never worked as a prequel to ‘The Batman.’ Excellent point! Yeah, it was dumb for MCU to put the TV shows in the same "universe" as the movies since they can't have the big stars from the movies make cameos in the TV shows because they can't afford to pay them that much. So it limits the characters they can have on the TV shows and also limits the stories they can tell on the TV shows.
WB is smart to keep the TV shows and movies as separate universes within a multiverse. That allows them to have characters from the movies be in the TV shows and also allows them more creative freedom to explore different storylines without having to force them to connect to the movies.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 16, 2017 9:13:10 GMT
They are ripping off Marvel by starting a cinematic universe of their own. Hell, they had to rip off Marvel when they made Wonder Woman. Why stop now?
Aside from that the shared universe concept has been around for decades in movies, TV shows, comic books and originated in novels. What DC and Marvel are doing now is no different than the Mickey Mouse Universe, Universal Monsters Universe or the Beverly Hillbillies and Happy Days Universes on TV which connected them on to Green Acres and Petticoat Junction and Laverne and Shirley and Mork and Mindy. Image Comics did it in the 90s to a much larger extent with Witchblade being set in the same universe as Cyberforce, Razor, the Crow, Strike, Shi, Lady Death, the Ravening, Belladonna, Hellina, Pandora, Cyblade, Spawn, Tomb Raider, Red Sonja, Fathom, Soulfire, Battle of the Planets, Mars Attacks, WildC.A.T.s, Gen 13, Savage Dragon, Conan the Barbarian, Painkiller Jane, Hellboy, Warrior Nun Arela, Poizon, Morbid Angel etc along with its spin off series like the Darkness, Aphrodite IX, The Magdalena, the Angelus, the Necromancer, Switch, Artifacts, Sunstone, IXth Generation etc. MCU fans think that Kevin Fiege invented the concept of shared cinematic universes. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 16, 2017 10:38:22 GMT
So what about all the other shows they made no effort to tie in? How much comics sell has nothing to do with what I'm saying so I don't know why you brought it up.
‘Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD’ would have been heaps better if it had no connection to the MCU ‘cause they could have had a lot of Marvel superheroes appear in the show and just used different actors to play them but they made it impossible ‘cause the show can’t afford Robert Downey Jr, Scarlet Johansson or the Chris’s. If DC/Warner Bros had gone down the Marvel path they would have never been able to have characters like Superman in ‘Supergirl’ ‘cause the CW Network couldn’t afford Henry Cavail and the ‘Gotham’ show would have never worked as a prequel to ‘The Batman.’ Sales are not what we were discussing.
Also I'm not reading another word you write unless you stop writing in pink.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 16, 2017 13:26:35 GMT
Sales have everything to do with it 'cause they are a clear indicator of how popular these movies can be. As for the DCEU connecting their movies to the TV shows Marvel connecting their movies to their TV shows was one of the WORST decisions they made. I remember back when ‘Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD’ started there was all this talk about having Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Black Widow and the Incredible Hulk making guest appearances in the show after Nick Fury and none of that happened and when it was revealed Sky was Daisy/Quake there was also talk of having her joining the Avengers to tie the movies on to the TV show and that didn’t happen either most likely ‘cause Ike is a Neon Nazi who has issues with women and stopped Marvel from having any female superhero movies the same as Mockingbird didn't go on to the MCU after Bobbi left 'Agents of the SHIELD' when the character is an Avenger. The MCU’s connection to the TV shows could have been the perfect platform to introduce Jessica Drew (Marvel’s second biggest selling female superhero in all time sales) who started out as an agent of Hydra who joined SHIELD after she worked out they were villains and went on to become Spider Woman and an Avenger too but they wasted that opportunity too most likely ‘cause of Ike again. Then they have Daredevil who was in the ‘Civil War’ comic books but where was he in the movie? Is he going to be in ‘Infinity War’ like he was in the ‘Infinity War’ comic books? Are Elektra, Jessica Jones and The Punisher going to be in ‘Infinity War’ or any of the other Marvel movies too???
‘Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD’ would have been heaps better if it had no connection to the MCU ‘cause they could have had a lot of Marvel superheroes appear in the show and just used different actors to play them but they made it impossible ‘cause the show can’t afford Robert Downey Jr, Scarlet Johansson or the Chris’s. If DC/Warner Bros had gone down the Marvel path they would have never been able to have characters like Superman in ‘Supergirl’ ‘cause the CW Network couldn’t afford Henry Cavail and the ‘Gotham’ show would have never worked as a prequel to ‘The Batman.’ Excellent point! Yeah, it was dumb for MCU to put the TV shows in the same "universe" as the movies since they can't have the big stars from the movies make cameos in the TV shows because they can't afford to pay them that much. So it limits the characters they can have on the TV shows and also limits the stories they can tell on the TV shows. That's like saying the comics don't co-exist if the characters there aren't always showing up in each others' books all the time. In real life people are always doing their own thing and living their own lives without intersecting all the time. It doesn't limit anything. Plus, if DC were the ones who had their TV shows co-existing with their movies you wouldn't be complaining. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 14:00:59 GMT
No. That is where you are wrong. I would be complaining if the DCEU connected their movies to the TV shows 'cause some of the 'Arrowverse's versions of the characters have been awful to say the least. Perhaps you should go and read my post about 'Supergirl' on here. Some of my favourite comic book series are Witchblade, Red Sonja, Supergirl (Linda Danvers), The Crow, Batgirl, Hack/Slash, Darkchylde, Spider-Man, Spider Woman, Spawn, Nightwing, Sunstone, Birds of Prey, Vampirella, Ms Marvel, Fathom, Fallen Angel, Aphrodite IX, Faust, Batwoman, Batman, X Men, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Teen Titans, The Phantom, Wonderland (Zenescope), Painkiller Jane, Cyberforce, Rat Queens, Monstress, Superman, the Incredible Hulk, Charmed, Lady Death, She-Hulk, Black Canary, Gen 13, the Legion, Green Arrow, the Ravening, Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose, Spider Gwen etc. What I do have a problem with Marvel with is their lack of female superheroes and we shouldn't have had to wait 20 movies for Marvel's biggest selling female superhero, Carol Danvers (who has higher all time sales than a number of the male superheroes they have made movies of) to get her own movie.
Marvel could have easily had Spider Woman (Jessica Drew), Shanna the She Devil and She-Hulk in their movies by now. Three of those appeared in the 'Civil War' comic books in prominent roles (Ms Marvel had a whole graphic novel dedicated to her part in Civil War) but were not even featured in the movie and instead we have had nothing but a Neon Nazi sausage fest from the MCU since the very start. DC on the other hand have had 'Wonder Woman.' 'Batgirl', 'Gotham City Sirens' and 'Wonder Woman 2' are on the way and Geoff Johns recently said they have big plans for more of their female superheroes on screen after the success of 'Wonder Woman' which will most likely include Supergirl (the second biggest selling female superhero of all time), Birds of Prey, Zatanna, Starfire, Raven, Batwoman etc. Plus Geoff Johns also announced they are going to have more Bat Family characters on screen and for the first time the Bat Universe will reflect the comic books which will most likely include the Spoiler, Orphan and Batman (as many sites reported) and possibly Bluebird and Hawkfire/Flamebird. Meanwhile Marvel can't even be bothered to use hardly any of their female superheroes in movies so I do have a problem with the MCU in those regards and will praise DC for not making their universe into a sausage fest for 20 movies. 
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 14:46:01 GMT
They are ripping off Marvel by starting a cinematic universe of their own. Hell, they had to rip off Marvel when they made Wonder Woman. Why stop now?
Aside from that the shared universe concept has been around for decades in movies, TV shows, comic books and originated in novels. What DC and Marvel are doing now is no different than the Mickey Mouse Universe, Universal Monsters Universe or the Beverly Hillbillies and Happy Days Universes on TV which connected them on to Green Acres and Petticoat Junction and Laverne and Shirley and Mork and Mindy. Image Comics did it in the 90s to a much larger extent with Witchblade being set in the same universe as Cyberforce, Razor, the Crow, Strike, Shi, Lady Death, the Ravening, Belladonna, Hellina, Pandora, Cyblade, Spawn, Tomb Raider, Red Sonja, Fathom, Soulfire, Battle of the Planets, Mars Attacks, WildC.A.T.s, Gen 13, Savage Dragon, Conan the Barbarian, Painkiller Jane, Hellboy, Warrior Nun Arela, Poizon, Morbid Angel etc along with its spin off series like the Darkness, Aphrodite IX, The Magdalena, the Angelus, the Necromancer, Switch, Artifacts, Sunstone, IXth Generation etc. Everything you just said? Irrelevant. WB/DC is only making a shared universe with DC comic characters because Marvel did it first. They never had the guts to actually go through with it until the MCU was a hit. There were NO real plans for a DC shared universe until The Avengers made a bundle. Learn to live with it. Nice attempt to marginalizing the MCU because it suits your pathetic needs, though, but it failed. |
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Post by poelzig on Aug 16, 2017 14:55:07 GMT
Sales have everything to do with it 'cause they are a clear indicator of how popular these movies can be. As for the DCEU connecting their movies to the TV shows Marvel connecting their movies to their TV shows was one of the WORST decisions they made. I remember back when ‘Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD’ started there was all this talk about having Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Black Widow and the Incredible Hulk making guest appearances in the show after Nick Fury and none of that happened and when it was revealed Sky was Daisy/Quake there was also talk of having her joining the Avengers to tie the movies on to the TV show and that didn’t happen either most likely ‘cause Ike is a Neon Nazi who has issues with women and stopped Marvel from having any female superhero movies the same as Mockingbird didn't go on to the MCU after Bobbi left 'Agents of the SHIELD' when the character is an Avenger. The MCU’s connection to the TV shows could have been the perfect platform to introduce Jessica Drew (Marvel’s second biggest selling female superhero in all time sales) who started out as an agent of Hydra who joined SHIELD after she worked out they were villains and went on to become Spider Woman and an Avenger too but they wasted that opportunity too most likely ‘cause of Ike again. Then they have Daredevil who was in the ‘Civil War’ comic books but where was he in the movie? Is he going to be in ‘Infinity War’ like he was in the ‘Infinity War’ comic books? Are Elektra, Jessica Jones and The Punisher going to be in ‘Infinity War’ or any of the other Marvel movies too???
‘Marvel’s Agents of SHIELD’ would have been heaps better if it had no connection to the MCU ‘cause they could have had a lot of Marvel superheroes appear in the show and just used different actors to play them but they made it impossible ‘cause the show can’t afford Robert Downey Jr, Scarlet Johansson or the Chris’s. If DC/Warner Bros had gone down the Marvel path they would have never been able to have characters like Superman in ‘Supergirl’ ‘cause the CW Network couldn’t afford Henry Cavail and the ‘Gotham’ show would have never worked as a prequel to ‘The Batman.’ Sales are not what we were discussing.
Also I'm not reading another word you write unless you stop writing in pink.
Appearing girly is part of debs charm so why does it bother you? It's a dark enough pink that it's not hard to read. Is it because she makes you look foolish so often? It can't be that because you do that yourself better than anyone. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 16, 2017 14:59:29 GMT
Marvel could have easily had Spider Woman (Jessica Drew), Shanna the She Devil and She-Hulk in their movies by now. Three of those appeared in the 'Civil War' comic books in prominent roles (Ms Marvel had a whole graphic novel dedicated to her part in Civil War) but were not even featured in the movie and instead we have had nothing but a Neon Nazi sausage fest from the MCU since the very start.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 19:11:37 GMT
Marvel could have easily had Spider Woman (Jessica Drew), Shanna the She Devil and She-Hulk in their movies by now. Three of those appeared in the 'Civil War' comic books in prominent roles (Ms Marvel had a whole graphic novel dedicated to her part in Civil War) but were not even featured in the movie and instead we have had nothing but a Neon Nazi sausage fest from the MCU since the very start. "Neon Nazi sausage fest" And you just lost the right to be taken seriously. |
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Post by agentblue on Aug 16, 2017 19:53:34 GMT
Yeah ive always thought they should just call it the DC Cinematic Universe.
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Post by poelzig on Aug 16, 2017 20:27:26 GMT
Marvel could have easily had Spider Woman (Jessica Drew), Shanna the She Devil and She-Hulk in their movies by now. Three of those appeared in the 'Civil War' comic books in prominent roles (Ms Marvel had a whole graphic novel dedicated to her part in Civil War) but were not even featured in the movie and instead we have had nothing but a Neon Nazi sausage fest from the MCU since the very start. "Neon Nazi sausage fest" And you just lost the right to be taken seriously. I like the phrase although I'm not sure what a neon Nazi is to be honest. I think I'll ask deb. |
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Post by poelzig on Aug 16, 2017 21:04:51 GMT
They are ripping off Marvel by starting a cinematic universe of their own. Hell, they had to rip off Marvel when they made Wonder Woman. Why stop now?
Aside from that the shared universe concept has been around for decades in movies, TV shows, comic books and originated in novels. What DC and Marvel are doing now is no different than the Mickey Mouse Universe, Universal Monsters Universe or the Beverly Hillbillies and Happy Days Universes on TV which connected them on to Green Acres and Petticoat Junction and Laverne and Shirley and Mork and Mindy. Image Comics did it in the 90s to a much larger extent with Witchblade being set in the same universe as Cyberforce, Razor, the Crow, Strike, Shi, Lady Death, the Ravening, Belladonna, Hellina, Pandora, Cyblade, Spawn, Tomb Raider, Red Sonja, Fathom, Soulfire, Battle of the Planets, Mars Attacks, WildC.A.T.s, Gen 13, Savage Dragon, Conan the Barbarian, Painkiller Jane, Hellboy, Warrior Nun Arela, Poizon, Morbid Angel etc along with its spin off series like the Darkness, Aphrodite IX, The Magdalena, the Angelus, the Necromancer, Switch, Artifacts, Sunstone, IXth Generation etc. I thought everyone knew shared movie universes have been around for three quarters of a century but it was nice of you to educate the MCU kids. I think the Universal Monsters would be the earliest example of a shared cinematic universe but there may have been some earlier than that. Perhaps The Keystone Cops chased Fatty Arbuckle or Charlie Chaplin. I do have a question though about something else. What is a Neon Nazi exactly? I like the sound of the phrase and was curious. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 22:19:40 GMT
Actually DC was going to launch a shared universe in the 90s before the MCU even existed. Tim Burton had plans for a Catwoman movie with Michelle Pfieffer that was going to spinoff Batman Returns and a Nightwing movie was in the works before 'Batman & Robin' flopped. If you read some articles or watch some interviews about the Batman 90s franchise the original plans were to have Nightwing leave in ‘Batman Triumphant ‘and introduce Jason Todd as the next Robin and the Nightwing movie was going to lead to a Titans movie. Batgirl was also going to leave after 'Batman Triumphant' and have a Birds of Prey movie so all Marvel did was beat DC to it.
Aside from that the shared universe concept has been around for decades in movies, TV shows, comic books and originated in novels. What DC and Marvel are doing now is no different than the Mickey Mouse Universe, Universal Monsters Universe or the Beverly Hillbillies and Happy Days Universes on TV which connected them on to Green Acres and Petticoat Junction and Laverne and Shirley and Mork and Mindy. Image Comics did it in the 90s to a much larger extent with Witchblade being set in the same universe as Cyberforce, Razor, the Crow, Strike, Shi, Lady Death, the Ravening, Belladonna, Hellina, Pandora, Cyblade, Spawn, Tomb Raider, Red Sonja, Fathom, Soulfire, Battle of the Planets, Mars Attacks, WildC.A.T.s, Gen 13, Savage Dragon, Conan the Barbarian, Painkiller Jane, Hellboy, Warrior Nun Arela, Poizon, Morbid Angel etc along with its spin off series like the Darkness, Aphrodite IX, The Magdalena, the Angelus, the Necromancer, Switch, Artifacts, Sunstone, IXth Generation etc. I thought everyone knew shared movie universes have been around for three quarters of a century but it was nice of you to educate the MCU kids. I think the Universal Monsters would be the earliest example of a shared cinematic universe but there may have been some earlier than that. Perhaps The Keystone Cops chased Fatty Arbuckle or Charlie Chaplin. I do have a question though about something else. What is a Neon Nazi exactly? I like the sound of the phrase and was curious.  No, we all knew that shared universes had existed before. However, that does not change the fact that the DCEU is only happening because they want in on that superhero cinematic universe thing Marvel started. You can troll all you want, but WB would still be doing standalone superhero trilogies where no one crosses over without the MCU. We all know it. Its just a bitter pill for DC fans to swallow. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 17, 2017 0:48:07 GMT
No had ever done the Shared Universe to the degree Marvel has. That's the point.
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