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Post by brownstones on Aug 12, 2017 21:37:32 GMT
What scenes? I liked the scene when Steve with and the plane towards the end, where he takes just a moment before shooting the bombs, I enjoyed the Steve and Diana dancing in the snow scene and their boat banter, things like that. And yeah, Iron Man 1 might be the simplest of the Marvel films....but in my opinion it's still probably top 5. Those were alright scenes, but I don't think those would or should be highlights of the DCU type of scenes. And I don't think IM nor WW is top 5 level either. Avengers, Civil War, Winter Soldier, Strange, and Guardians at least, and then it's at most competing with First Avenger, Homecoming, Guardians 2, Ultron, Ant Man, and would actually argue Iron Man 2 is superior, not to mention it's looking good for Ragnorak and Black Panther in the near future. But that's not really the point here. I wouldn't rank WW above any of those I just mentioned because I don't think it did much. What I mean is I saw it, but there's no real reply value because not a whole lot happened. 1. Iron Man 2? .....What? 2. Ant-man? ......What? 3. Again, it's just my opinion, and I like smaller moments. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 12, 2017 21:40:36 GMT
Those were alright scenes, but I don't think those would or should be highlights of the DCU type of scenes. And I don't think IM nor WW is top 5 level either. Avengers, Civil War, Winter Soldier, Strange, and Guardians at least, and then it's at most competing with First Avenger, Homecoming, Guardians 2, Ultron, Ant Man, and would actually argue Iron Man 2 is superior, not to mention it's looking good for Ragnorak and Black Panther in the near future. But that's not really the point here. I wouldn't rank WW above any of those I just mentioned because I don't think it did much. What I mean is I saw it, but there's no real reply value because not a whole lot happened. 1. Iron Man 2? .....What? 2. Ant-man? ......What? 3. Again, it's just my opinion, and I like smaller moments. oh smaller moments are great, but only in support of bigger things in a film IMO. If the best scenes are just a few small moments, then I would argue not much happened in the film.
And yeah I fucking love the world building that took place in Iron Man 2. I honestly don't know why it gets the type of reaction you just gave it. Ant Man was awesome too.
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Post by brownstones on Aug 12, 2017 21:42:57 GMT
1. Iron Man 2? .....What? 2. Ant-man? ......What? 3. Again, it's just my opinion, and I like smaller moments. oh smaller moments are great, but only in support of bigger things in a film IMO. If the best scenes are just a few small moments, then I would argue not much happened in the film.
And yeah I fucking love the world building that took place in Iron Man 2. I honestly don't know why it gets the type of reaction you just gave it. Ant Man was awesome too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 21:44:29 GMT
1. Iron Man 2? .....What? 2. Ant-man? ......What? 3. Again, it's just my opinion, and I like smaller moments. oh smaller moments are great, but only in support of bigger things in a film IMO. If the best scenes are just a few small moments, then I would argue not much happened in the film.
And yeah I fucking love the world building that took place in Iron Man 2. I honestly don't know why it gets the type of reaction you just gave it. Ant Man was awesome too.
Agreed. Iron Man 2 and Ant-Man were both good films. Not perfect, but good. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 12, 2017 21:45:26 GMT
oh smaller moments are great, but only in support of bigger things in a film IMO. If the best scenes are just a few small moments, then I would argue not much happened in the film.
And yeah I fucking love the world building that took place in Iron Man 2. I honestly don't know why it gets the type of reaction you just gave it. Ant Man was awesome too.
IM2 is just okay, and Ant-man..........I don't like it I thought both were quite fun, and I'd watch either before I ever see WW again. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 12, 2017 21:49:52 GMT
oh smaller moments are great, but only in support of bigger things in a film IMO. If the best scenes are just a few small moments, then I would argue not much happened in the film.
And yeah I fucking love the world building that took place in Iron Man 2. I honestly don't know why it gets the type of reaction you just gave it. Ant Man was awesome too.
Agreed. Iron Man 2 and Ant-Man were both good films. Not perfect, but good. I guess that depends on how we're defining perfect. They accomplished what they set out to accomplish and were well crafted. Were they the best Ant Man or Iron Man movie possible? No, I'm sure we could get a crazy Ant Man film, but that's not always the point so I don't hold it against them. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 22:01:40 GMT
Agreed. Iron Man 2 and Ant-Man were both good films. Not perfect, but good. I guess that depends on how we're defining perfect. They accomplished what they set out to accomplish and were well crafted. Were they the best Ant Man or Iron Man movie possible? No, I'm sure we could get a crazy Ant Man film, but that's not always the point so I don't hold it against them. Pretty much. I think people just look at the fact both had troubled productions and let it color their perceptions of them. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 12, 2017 22:49:39 GMT
Sounds like another attempt by MCU fans to try to derail the DCEU, similar to all the " Wonder Woman is a complete mess" articles that were posted a few months before Wonder Woman was released. Why must it be MCU fans? It *could* be true, or its not very good journalism, which is more common than you think. |
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Post by blockbusted on Aug 12, 2017 23:19:56 GMT
I guess that depends on how we're defining perfect. They accomplished what they set out to accomplish and were well crafted. Were they the best Ant Man or Iron Man movie possible? No, I'm sure we could get a crazy Ant Man film, but that's not always the point so I don't hold it against them. Pretty much. I think people just look at the fact both had troubled productions and let it color their perceptions of them. To be fair, I DO think that 'Iron Man 2' was a weaker installment of MCU along with 'The Incredible Hulk' and 'Thor: The Dark World', but I will say that it was certainly better than what some people are saying. As for 'Ant-Man'... it was one of my favorite films of 2015. Regarding this one... yeah, I don't think it will have the same luck that 'Wonder Woman' had. |
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Post by gromel on Aug 13, 2017 3:49:24 GMT
Hard to say with them working on it so much. It could be and probably will be significantly different by the time it hits theaters but whether they can do anything to improve it is a totally different question.
It's amazing how terrible the choice of Snyder has been for them. This should be a lesson to everybody that style over substance DOES NOT WORK. Always always always value substance first.
Snyder isn't really a style over substance person. That's Michael Bay or something. Snyder tries to go for substance like Nolan but fails while Bay sticks to what he does best: making crowd pleasers, to hell with critics. Now Whedon has the crowd and the critics on his side so JL looks more hopeful than if it was still Synder calling the shots. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2017 4:32:04 GMT
Hard to say with them working on it so much. It could be and probably will be significantly different by the time it hits theaters but whether they can do anything to improve it is a totally different question.
It's amazing how terrible the choice of Snyder has been for them. This should be a lesson to everybody that style over substance DOES NOT WORK. Always always always value substance first.
Snyder isn't really a style over substance person. That's Michael Bay or something. Snyder tries to go for substance like Nolan but fails while Bay sticks to what he does best: making crowd pleasers, to hell with critics. Now Whedon has the crowd and the critics on his side so JL looks more hopeful than if it was still Synder calling the shots. I haven't seen a lot of Snyder's other work, but there hasn't been much substance to what he's done with DC, or at least what he's thought was substantive has been poorly conceived. |
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Post by darkpast on Aug 13, 2017 4:35:51 GMT
BvS got a standing O, who to believe?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 4:55:25 GMT
Hard to say with them working on it so much. It could be and probably will be significantly different by the time it hits theaters but whether they can do anything to improve it is a totally different question.
It's amazing how terrible the choice of Snyder has been for them. This should be a lesson to everybody that style over substance DOES NOT WORK. Always always always value substance first.
Snyder isn't really a style over substance person. That's Michael Bay or something. Snyder tries to go for substance like Nolan but fails while Bay sticks to what he does best: making crowd pleasers, to hell with critics. Now Whedon has the crowd and the critics on his side so JL looks more hopeful than if it was still Synder calling the shots. Oh, please, Snyder is the living embodiment of style over substance. His works contain NO substance. Just banal babble. |
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Post by chatterer on Aug 13, 2017 5:59:45 GMT
See, that's what I'm saying there are too many varying reports, not saying we should ignore them, but they're inconsistent. Yeah tell me about it. Early in the year reports said JL was a mess too much humour. Now reports say Whedon reshoots specifically focus on adding more lighthearted scenes. Talk about contradictions. Even Zack spoke about the cliffhanger ending last year. They gotta get those clicks. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 13, 2017 6:04:29 GMT
Snyder isn't really a style over substance person. That's Michael Bay or something. Snyder tries to go for substance like Nolan but fails while Bay sticks to what he does best: making crowd pleasers, to hell with critics. Now Whedon has the crowd and the critics on his side so JL looks more hopeful than if it was still Synder calling the shots. Oh, please, Snyder is the living embodiment of style over substance. His works contain NO substance. Just banal babble. sweet contradiction with yourself. Do you not always ramble (ignorantly) that Snyder as Rand-fan deconstructed Superman into selfish and self-absorbed Ayn Rand characters and Jesus figures (which is per se a dumb statement and a contradiction). This is substance discussion. - Don't you crash in on Snyder condolence threads gloating and cheering, and then lie you gave your sympathies "elsewhere"? - Don't you claim alien intelligence cannot exist because alien germ life was proven? - Don't you claim Shakespeare never wrote an original thing... - Don't you... ...sorry, I got carried away...thing is you have neither form nor substance. You may go home and write My Little Pony and SailorMoon fanfiction (and maybe rethink your life too)... |
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Post by chatterer on Aug 13, 2017 6:15:24 GMT
I don't put any stock in these reports. They want clicks. Whatculture is going to jizz all over this.  |
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Aug 13, 2017 7:45:08 GMT
With the many of the actors off doing other projects, which has been admitted in other reports, you have to question these rumors that the reshoots are on a massive scale to change a big portion of the film. Wouldn't be the first time the internet went crazy over stuff like this.
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Post by nemesis617 on Aug 13, 2017 9:05:37 GMT
I agree with many of the above comments. I also place no value in what the early cut reveals. The same was said about WW and a bunch of others films that were deemed "a mess" in the early stages. I will wait until the final product comes out and let the audience reviews and the BO do the talking.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 13, 2017 9:15:31 GMT
I agree with many of the above comments. I also place no value in what the early cut reveals. The same was said about WW and a bunch of others films that were deemed "a mess" in the early stages. It's most likely MCU fans who are starting these false rumors, like the false rumor about Wonder Woman being "a complete mess". MCU fans have been spreading these false rumors for years in an attempt to derail the DCEU, but they've failed every time. |
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Post by primeone on Aug 13, 2017 11:10:01 GMT
They said that about WW too
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