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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 12, 2017 6:35:38 GMT
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Post by gromel on Aug 12, 2017 7:11:11 GMT
Just cut out all the Snyder story, probably chock full of dark themes trying to be deep, and let Whedon handle it. People want fun popcorn stuff. If it's shallow fun, so be it. Better shallow fun than shallow dark. Not everyone can strike a balance Iike Raimi.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 12, 2017 14:33:51 GMT
Hard to say with them working on it so much. It could be and probably will be significantly different by the time it hits theaters but whether they can do anything to improve it is a totally different question.
It's amazing how terrible the choice of Snyder has been for them. This should be a lesson to everybody that style over substance DOES NOT WORK. Always always always value substance first. Style is just a bonus to enhance that. If you don't believe that, try just eating hot sauce the next time you want a burrito.
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Post by brownstones on Aug 12, 2017 16:22:31 GMT
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 12, 2017 16:39:15 GMT
Sounds like another attempt by MCU fans to try to derail the DCEU, similar to all the " Wonder Woman is a complete mess" articles that were posted a few months before Wonder Woman was released.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 12, 2017 16:51:24 GMT
The amazing part is that there is always turmoil around DC projects. Affleck wants out, extremely poor reviews, numerous famous bad scenes, directors leaving like crazy, dates rescheduled, movies canceled. WW did a really stripped down story and it looks great by comparison to the rest of the chaos happening. Now JL may end up being patched together well enough, but the fact that this disorganization keeps happening is nuts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 16:54:55 GMT
And with how busy next year's gonna be, delaying the film to let Whedon patch everything up isn't exactly a great option either. I love watching a studio that just couldn't let these characters be themselves get their just desserts for trying to force them all to be Batman, by way of the Punisher.
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Post by chatterer on Aug 12, 2017 18:05:16 GMT
I don't put any stock in these reports. They want clicks.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 12, 2017 18:12:49 GMT
I don't put any stock in these reports. They want clicks. Whatculture is going to jizz all over this.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 12, 2017 19:06:50 GMT
Sounds like another attempt by MCU fans to try to derail the DCEU, similar to all the " Wonder Woman is a complete mess" articles that were posted a few months before Wonder Woman was released. WW was mediocre, but its' artificial boosters made it look decent.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 12, 2017 19:42:03 GMT
Sounds like another attempt by MCU fans to try to derail the DCEU, similar to all the " Wonder Woman is a complete mess" articles that were posted a few months before Wonder Woman was released. WW was mediocre, but its' artificial boosters made it look decent. I agree actually. WW was fine but in reality nothing really stands out about it as anything much more than being ok. The ending actually does start to get close to mess territory.
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Post by brownstones on Aug 12, 2017 20:10:29 GMT
Sounds like another attempt by MCU fans to try to derail the DCEU, similar to all the " Wonder Woman is a complete mess" articles that were posted a few months before Wonder Woman was released. WW was mediocre, but its' artificial boosters made it look decent. Yeah......I have to disagree there.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 12, 2017 20:27:48 GMT
WW was mediocre, but its' artificial boosters made it look decent. Yeah......I have to disagree there. I'm kind of in the middle on WW as well, but I'd be very curious to hear what you think makes it more than just a decently good film. By that I mean there is nothing wrong with it really except for maybe the ending is a bit off, but there's not a whole lot special about it either. What do you think makes it better than average?
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Post by politicidal on Aug 12, 2017 21:05:16 GMT
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Post by brownstones on Aug 12, 2017 21:06:04 GMT
Yeah......I have to disagree there. I'm kind of in the middle on WW as well, but I'd be very curious to hear what you think makes it more than just a decently good film. By that I mean there is nothing wrong with it really except for maybe the ending is a bit off, but there's not a whole lot special about it either. What do you think makes it better than average? Well, I'd put it next to Iron Man 1. Yes, the story is straightforward and has taken elements from past films, but it's the characters which I think really pushed this film to be something memorable. And the film had scenes where I was taken aback, something that doesn't happen to me that often in these blockbuster films.
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Post by brownstones on Aug 12, 2017 21:08:16 GMT
See, that's what I'm saying there are too many varying reports, not saying we should ignore them, but they're inconsistent.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 12, 2017 21:12:08 GMT
I'm kind of in the middle on WW as well, but I'd be very curious to hear what you think makes it more than just a decently good film. By that I mean there is nothing wrong with it really except for maybe the ending is a bit off, but there's not a whole lot special about it either. What do you think makes it better than average? Well, I'd put it next to Iron Man 1. Yes, the story is straightforward and has taken elements from past films, but it's the characters which I think really pushed this film to be something memorable. And the film had scenes where I was taken aback, something that doesn't happen to me that often in these blockbuster films. I think IM1 might be fair, but just for reference, IM1 is one of the more basic entries in the MCU and not in any way it's crowning achievement. In regards to WW though, I didn't really connect to any of the characters. Steve and Diana yes, but did any of the rest stand out to you, because I don't remember anybody else doing anything particularly important. Also what scenes stood out? I know the no-man's land bit, but outside of that I don't know if I'd say anything was anything notable.
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Post by brownstones on Aug 12, 2017 21:22:55 GMT
Well, I'd put it next to Iron Man 1. Yes, the story is straightforward and has taken elements from past films, but it's the characters which I think really pushed this film to be something memorable. And the film had scenes where I was taken aback, something that doesn't happen to me that often in these blockbuster films. I think IM1 might be fair, but just for reference, IM1 is one of the more basic entries in the MCU and not in any way it's crowning achievement. In regards to WW though, I didn't really connect to any of the characters. Steve and Diana yes, but did any of the rest stand out to you, because I don't remember anybody else doing anything particularly important. Also what scenes stood out? I know the no-man's land bit, but outside of that I don't know if I'd say anything was anything notable. What scenes? I liked the scene when Steve with and the plane towards the end, where he takes just a moment before shooting the bombs, I enjoyed the Steve and Diana dancing in the snow scene and their boat banter, things like that. And yeah, Iron Man 1 might be the simplest of the Marvel films....but in my opinion it's still probably top 5.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 12, 2017 21:31:23 GMT
I think IM1 might be fair, but just for reference, IM1 is one of the more basic entries in the MCU and not in any way it's crowning achievement. In regards to WW though, I didn't really connect to any of the characters. Steve and Diana yes, but did any of the rest stand out to you, because I don't remember anybody else doing anything particularly important. Also what scenes stood out? I know the no-man's land bit, but outside of that I don't know if I'd say anything was anything notable. What scenes? I liked the scene when Steve with and the plane towards the end, where he takes just a moment before shooting the bombs, I enjoyed the Steve and Diana dancing in the snow scene and their boat banter, things like that. And yeah, Iron Man 1 might be the simplest of the Marvel films....but in my opinion it's still probably top 5. Those were alright scenes, but I don't think those would or should be highlights of the DCU type of scenes. And I don't think IM nor WW is top 5 level either. Avengers, Civil War, Winter Soldier, Strange, and Guardians at least, and then it's at most competing with First Avenger, Homecoming, Guardians 2, Ultron, Ant Man, and would actually argue Iron Man 2 is superior, not to mention it's looking good for Ragnorak and Black Panther in the near future. But that's not really the point here. I wouldn't rank WW above any of those I just mentioned because I don't think it did much. What I mean is I saw it, but there's no real reply value because not a whole lot happened.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 12, 2017 21:33:57 GMT
All that really matters is how the end product turns out.
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