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Post by Marv on Aug 14, 2017 21:51:40 GMT
Nah. I mean not really. Obviously all adult Americans share a piece of the responsibility for this country and all it's goods and bads. But it's pretty minuscule. Not really worth mentioning honestly.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 14, 2017 22:08:59 GMT
Nah. I mean not really. Obviously all adult Americans share a piece of the responsibility for this country and all it's goods and bads. But it's pretty minuscule. Not really worth mentioning honestly. I think, when a candidate specifically states how protesters "used to get hurt for this" as he has them drug out of the room, and tells rooms full of white folks how they"re "so bad for the country", then those who voted for that message might share a bit more than "minuscule" participation when his own voters start killing protesters. If Obama ran on those statements and I voted for him, I wouldn't cry ignorance when it started happening. Of course, I've never seen a candidate make assault part of their voting appeal before, much less stand in front of a PD force and joke about how it's OK to hurt suspects "just a little bit". Just my take.
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Post by Marv on Aug 14, 2017 22:48:46 GMT
Nah. I mean not really. Obviously all adult Americans share a piece of the responsibility for this country and all it's goods and bads. But it's pretty minuscule. Not really worth mentioning honestly. I think, when a candidate specifically states how protesters "used to get hurt for this" as he has them drug out of the room, and tells rooms full of white folks how they"re "so bad for the country", then those who voted for that message might share a bit more than "minuscule" participation when his own voters start killing protesters. If Obama ran on those statements and I voted for him, I wouldn't cry ignorance when it started happening. Of course, I've never seen a candidate make assault part of their voting appeal before, much less stand in front of a PD force and joke about how it's OK to hurt suspects "just a little bit". Just my take. Eh. Feels like a stretch in order to put blame where you'd want to put blame. He didn't suggest murder and as far as I can tell there was violence from both sides...and this ain't the first time in the history of this country that protesting has turned violent. Just seems like a waste to insist Joe Voter that it's his fault because he voted in last years election. You're not even acknowledging why that person may have voted for Trump. Unless that person specifically voted because they supported violence against protestors...it still seems misplaced.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 15, 2017 1:37:32 GMT
I think, when a candidate specifically states how protesters "used to get hurt for this" as he has them drug out of the room, and tells rooms full of white folks how they"re "so bad for the country", then those who voted for that message might share a bit more than "minuscule" participation when his own voters start killing protesters. If Obama ran on those statements and I voted for him, I wouldn't cry ignorance when it started happening. Of course, I've never seen a candidate make assault part of their voting appeal before, much less stand in front of a PD force and joke about how it's OK to hurt suspects "just a little bit". Just my take. Eh. Feels like a stretch in order to put blame where you'd want to put blame. He didn't suggest murder.... ![](https://s26.postimg.org/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif) Marv. Come on. A candidate preached violence to his voter base and they got violent. Come. On. I mean "He didn't say go that far!"? Really? Saying "there's been violence on both sides" is accurate... but there's only been vehicles plowed into crowds and bomb plots by one side. Both occurred after his rhetoric condoning violence against protesters. Not full fault, but culpability given that it was literally part of his campaign rhetoric. There's no "how could we have ever known" here.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 15, 2017 1:53:38 GMT
Eh. Feels like a stretch in order to put blame where you'd want to put blame. He didn't suggest murder.... ![](https://s26.postimg.org/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif) Marv. Come on. A candidate preached violence to his voter base and they got violent. Come. On. I mean "He didn't say go that far!"? Really? Not full fault, but culpability given that it was literally part of his campaign rhetoric. There's no "how could we have ever known" here. Marv, you don't have to take that shit off of laughing boy here. He no longer has the same impact that he had back in those old Dorkestra days. Now he's just more of a nuisance than anything else.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 15, 2017 2:34:37 GMT
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Post by gadreel on Aug 15, 2017 2:39:03 GMT
![](https://s26.postimg.org/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif) Marv. Come on. A candidate preached violence to his voter base and they got violent. Come. On. I mean "He didn't say go that far!"? Really? Not full fault, but culpability given that it was literally part of his campaign rhetoric. There's no "how could we have ever known" here. Marv, you don't have to take that shit off of laughing boy here. He no longer has the same impact that he had back in those old Dorkestra days. Now he's just more of a nuisance than anything else. You carry on with your fingers in your ears and your mouth on full, it is pretty obvious that you are incapable of figuring things out for yourself, or even standing up for yourself, why don't you mooch on back to your beer and see if the moon has moved. Let the adults talk now.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 15, 2017 2:42:19 GMT
Marv, you don't have to take that shit off of laughing boy here. He no longer has the same impact that he had back in those old Dorkestra days. Now he's just more of a nuisance than anything else. You carry on with your fingers in your ears and your mouth on full, it is pretty obvious that you are incapable of figuring things out for yourself, or even standing up for yourself, why don't you mooch on back to your beer and see if the moon has moved. Let the adults talk now. Ooooooooh, nice one. Especially the part about let the adults talk now. Cine will be pleased. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/m8f14k0ih/yes.gif)
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Post by gadreel on Aug 15, 2017 2:45:41 GMT
You carry on with your fingers in your ears and your mouth on full, it is pretty obvious that you are incapable of figuring things out for yourself, or even standing up for yourself, why don't you mooch on back to your beer and see if the moon has moved. Let the adults talk now. Ooooooooh, nice one. Especially the part about let the adults talk now. Cine will be pleased. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/m8f14k0ih/yes.gif) Carry on babbling your nonsense child man, you only serve to prove me right with every post.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 15, 2017 2:55:39 GMT
Ooooooooh, nice one. Especially the part about let the adults talk now. Cine will be pleased. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/m8f14k0ih/yes.gif) Carry on babbling your nonsense child man, you only serve to prove me right with every post. Thanks for your interest in the topic. Thanks for sharing your opinion. And have a blessed day. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/6m0mtnt09/angel.gif)
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Post by gadreel on Aug 15, 2017 3:01:51 GMT
Carry on babbling your nonsense child man, you only serve to prove me right with every post. Thanks for your interest in the topic. Thanks for sharing your opinion. And have a blessed day. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/6m0mtnt09/angel.gif) I have tried engaging you on topic numerous times, every time you have about three posts before you try to tell me I think something i have already dismissed explicitly or you degrade into insults. The fact that you are incapable of engaging ensures that your only purpose here is comedy relief. Your double act is particularly hilarious. I do not begrudge you your posting style, it's the best you can do, but I will in the future only engage you with your inability to discuss topics in mind.
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Post by maya55555 on Aug 15, 2017 3:09:53 GMT
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HEY, THE! This could be a response to one of my posts......LOVE IT! ![](https://s26.postimg.org/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif)
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Post by gadreel on Aug 15, 2017 3:13:01 GMT
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HEY, THE! This could be a response to one of my posts......LOVE IT! ![](https://s26.postimg.org/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif)
Here's a plan princess, how about you don't respond to my posts until you either front up evidence of the accusations you have made about me, or apologise. At least erjen has the virtue of stupidity, you are simply a dishonest hypocrite.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Aug 15, 2017 3:13:14 GMT
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HEY, THE! This could be a response to one of my posts......LOVE IT! ![](https://s26.postimg.org/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif)
Uh-huh. And why is he right? Because he gets the last word, that's why. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/qna0tqd21/misc1.gif)
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Post by gadreel on Aug 15, 2017 3:15:10 GMT
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HEY, THE! This could be a response to one of my posts......LOVE IT! ![](https://s26.postimg.org/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif)
Uh-huh. And why is he right? Because he gets the last word, that's why. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/qna0tqd21/misc1.gif) I am not right, I am simply expressing an opinion I can back up with evidence, which to be fair is better than any argument you have ever presented.
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Post by maya55555 on Aug 15, 2017 3:25:53 GMT
gadreel
This is an open forum and you cannot tell me what to do. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/h9mxca7bt/wave.gif)
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Post by Marv on Aug 15, 2017 9:08:31 GMT
I have no problem blaming these groups, these organization or these people in Charlottesville. To a slightly lesser extent the police and the government. But placing some semblance of blame for this on some voter who doesn't support any of this violence just because they went Republican last year still seems incredibly misplaced. It just seems so remote from the problem. If we go there we might as well blame everyone for not working harder in their lives to eliminate hatred and push for love and unity. Which we could...but like I say it seems watered down at that point. So far removed from the source of the conversation. You know? Look Trump said what he said...and people voted for him for whatever reason they wanted. But equating their vote to supporting murder of protestors will always be a stretch in my eyes.
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Post by Marv on Aug 15, 2017 11:13:09 GMT
![](https://s26.postimg.org/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif) Marv. Come on. A candidate preached violence to his voter base and they got violent. Come. On. I mean "He didn't say go that far!"? Really? Not full fault, but culpability given that it was literally part of his campaign rhetoric. There's no "how could we have ever known" here. Marv, you don't have to take that shit off of laughing boy here. He no longer has the same impact that he had back in those old Dorkestra days. Now he's just more of a nuisance than anything else. I don't wish to get in the middle of Yinz's pissing match. [laugh] I just wanted to add my two cents to the discussion.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Aug 15, 2017 16:15:20 GMT
I don't really see pointing to culpability in voting for a candidate who preached violence to his voter block as committing the actual violence. That was Erjen's histrionics with the "Then you murdered these people in Benghazi!" bungle. Never a phrasing I used.
Culpability is simply own one's share of the pie in the matter.
If Obama had ever offered to pay the legal bills should one of his supporters assault a conservative during his campaigns, I'd sure as hell own it if I helped put him in power and it started happening.
Anyway, different strokes.
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Post by Marv on Aug 15, 2017 16:29:53 GMT
I just think if you go down that path I mean...where do you stop the buck? Have I done everything in my power to push positive race relations in my neighborhood/city/country/world? Absolutely not. I share a piece of the pie that caused this as well. So does everyone. But when it's that far away it's hardly tangible. To me.
There's one real person to be furious with, and several organizations that also could deserve some ire...but past that it just seems less relevant.
[cheers]
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