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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 14, 2017 16:34:37 GMT
No, the hate for Cersei was shown several times throughout the story, and the whispers never completely died down about her children. Speaking as a viewer, I hated the High Sparrow with a passion. Taking him out is the only time I ever rooted for Cersei. But his message resonated with the common folk, that was firmly established. Not everyone was a zealot like his followers, but people clearly had had enough of nobles and royals doing as they pleased at the people's expense. That aspect all but disappeared with the Great Sept; when is reality it would've moved the people further toward open hostility with a false queen. But I suppose the story has moved on, it's not something they're going to revisit now. It's full steam ahead to prophecy and fate at this point. No hate for Cersei was ever shown before, apart from that of starving people in Season 2 who were told the siege they were subjected to was the fault of the royal family. They forgot it soon enough and hailed Joffrey in Season 3. Granted, these were likely not the same but whispers never really die about anything anyway. Tommen was called an abomination in the vicinity of the Sept, where the Sparrows were. Whatever it was, there is always a fringe hating whomever is in power for just that reason. I trust the merchants whose ale and wine was destroyed had reasons to hate Cersei for empowering the Sparrows but they should not have done so for getting rid of them. The fact remains, though, that the common folk has no power whatsoever and no one within the presumed aristocracy of the capital could withstand the Lannister might, should they be bold enough to attempt something. This is why there is no unrest. Which was true, and they were right to be angry. Have to disagree with the common folk having no power. History suggests otherwise. In terms of the show, you're right. For whatever reason, the people outside of the royal family are rarely acknowledged, let alone turned into plot points. Whereas Jon and Sansa (and Robb before them) constantly had to play politics with their strong willed bannermen, and Dany was dealing with rebellion; the people of the Reach (other than the Tyrells) don't often factor into the happenings of the realm. I suppose it would get tedious watching cartoon villains like Cersei interact with everyone the same way. It would for me, at least.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 14, 2017 16:48:09 GMT
No hate for Cersei was ever shown before, apart from that of starving people in Season 2 who were told the siege they were subjected to was the fault of the royal family. They forgot it soon enough and hailed Joffrey in Season 3. Granted, these were likely not the same but whispers never really die about anything anyway. Tommen was called an abomination in the vicinity of the Sept, where the Sparrows were. Whatever it was, there is always a fringe hating whomever is in power for just that reason. I trust the merchants whose ale and wine was destroyed had reasons to hate Cersei for empowering the Sparrows but they should not have done so for getting rid of them. The fact remains, though, that the common folk has no power whatsoever and no one within the presumed aristocracy of the capital could withstand the Lannister might, should they be bold enough to attempt something. This is why there is no unrest. Have to disagree with the common folk having no power. History suggests otherwise. Tell me where and when history suggests otherwise. I don't recall many popular insurrections in the middle ages. From the 5th to the 15th century, kings are mostly untroubled by the common folk. They are constantly in danger from their equals, rivals, brothers, cousins, dukes, counts and barons, all seriously wealthy in gold as well as in power through holding of lands and allegiances but the common folk amounts to nothing. The Peasants Revolt of 1381 is one strange exception without much consequences. The Renaissance brings a different situation with religious conflicts over Europe but it's mostly because the nobles themselves take part in it. The German Sparrows, who instigated the Münster Rebellion, were one strange extreme and not directed at a strong, central royal power.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 14, 2017 17:47:25 GMT
They did it because they had the opportunity to do so without repercussion not because they were revolutionaries.
That moment has passed.
Yes, and then Cersei blew up the Great Sept, and all her enemies with it, and seized the crown for herself. The people already didn't like her, it's hard to fathom there would not be resistance from the common folk of the city under those circumstances. Maybe the dude showing his junk to the queen isn't a revolutionary, but you would think more than a few would've been born the day she blew up part of the city to escape justice. Again, it's about opportunity.
Maybe if the City Watch were outraged enough, they could stage a coup. Otherwise, they are likely manned by Lannisters too.
They obviously hate her but it doesn't matter since their lot in life probably hasn't changed regardless of who is on the throne.
Really, it might be better since hookers are back.
On top of that, they have only heard propaganda regarding the foreigners that have invaded to take their jobs...Errr...Wrong board...
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 14, 2017 17:57:17 GMT
Have to disagree with the common folk having no power. History suggests otherwise. Tell me where and when history suggests otherwise. I don't recall many popular insurrections in the middle ages. From the 5th to the 15th century, kings are mostly untroubled by the common folk. They are constantly in danger from their equals, rivals, brothers, cousins, dukes, counts and barons, all seriously wealthy in gold as well as in power through holding of lands and allegiances but the common folk amounts to nothing. The Peasants Revolt of 1381 is one strange exception without much consequences. The Renaissance brings a different situation with religious conflicts over Europe but it's mostly because the nobles themselves take part in it. The German Sparrows, who instigated the Münster Rebellion, were one strange extreme and not directed at a strong, central royal power. History is littered with successful rebellions. You act as if a rebellion begins and ends with just the small group of people who conspire at the beginning. Either way I don't expect the citizens of Kings Landing to take up arms and overthrow the government by themselves. I expect them to aid the enemies of the crown (of which there are many) in bringing the current rulers down. And they wouldn't have to swing a sword to do it. Regardless, it isn't a plotline the show will be exploring so it's not worth debating at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 23:53:15 GMT
How dare you...........Cercei is the hero and only sane person in this story
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Aug 15, 2017 4:55:06 GMT
Yes, and then Cersei blew up the Great Sept, and all her enemies with it, and seized the crown for herself. The people already didn't like her, it's hard to fathom there would not be resistance from the common folk of the city under those circumstances. Maybe the dude showing his junk to the queen isn't a revolutionary, but you would think more than a few would've been born the day she blew up part of the city to escape justice. Again, it's about opportunity.
Maybe if the City Watch were outraged enough, they could stage a coup. Otherwise, they are likely manned by Lannisters too.
They obviously hate her but it doesn't matter since their lot in life probably hasn't changed regardless of who is on the throne.
Really, it might be better since hookers are back.
On top of that, they have only heard propaganda regarding the foreigners that have invaded to take their jobs...Errr...Wrong board...
The foreigners are invading to "kill the men in iron suits and tear down their stone houses, rape their women, take their children as slaves and bring their broken gods back to Vaes Dothrak." It's not what Daenerys wants but be very sure it's not been forgotten. No? The show now only portrays them as fun people who like a good fight? Oh, that's too bad. The City Watch has no reasons to be outraged. Think of who pays them: the Crown's treasury. The sooner someone sits on the throne, regardless who it is, the faster they are certain to be paid again. They are, most likely, those who made sure Cersei got there without trouble. The alternative, factions fighting each other to name a new king or whatever silly other form of government, only brings not only delay but bloodshed in which they are partaking. None of them wants to get killed, they're no Dothraki relishing the fun of it. And if they are going to support someone, it will be the one who commands the greatest wealth and army outside the city: Cersei Lannister. It's a no brainer. I don't see how "they obviously hate her". If you mean the rest of the people, it's complete wishful thinking on your part.
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