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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 20, 2017 23:58:15 GMT
We already know that Thor: Ragnarok is riping off BvS by promoting Hulk vs Thor as the "greatest gladiator match in history", the exact words that Lex Luthor used to describe the Batman vs Superman fight in BvS. Is Thor: Ragnarok also copying the X-Men movies?
In X-Men: Apocalypse, Mystique (who started out as a villain in the X-Men movies) helped the X-Men fight Apocalypse. And in Thor: Ragnarok trailers suggest that Loki (who started out as a villain in MCU) is going to help Thor and Hulk fight Hela.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 21, 2017 0:00:32 GMT
But loki helped thor in The Dark World. If anything they're repeating that.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Aug 21, 2017 0:11:25 GMT
Marvel plagiarizes its ideas from Norse mythology.
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Post by poelzig on Aug 21, 2017 0:12:12 GMT
But loki helped thor in The Dark World. If anything they're repeating that. Isn't Loki or some generic guy that stole 'tech' the villain is every mcu movie? If they didn't leave 'tech' just lying around would the avengers even be necessary.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 21, 2017 0:13:41 GMT
The first film to do this was X2 when Magneto, an outright villain in X1, helps the X-Men track down Strykers base. Its a common storyline used in movies, using a villain with some redeemable qualities and teaming them up with the hero to fight a common enemy.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 21, 2017 0:21:09 GMT
Loki helped Thor in Thor: The Dark World, which was released BEFORE X-Men: Apocalypse. It should be noted that at THE START of Apocalypse Mystique is NOT a villain, Loki however is by no means a goodie-goodie-two-shoes in Ragnarok and reluctantly assist Thor.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 21, 2017 0:56:14 GMT
We already know that Thor: Ragnarok is riping off BvS by promoting Hulk vs Thor as the "greatest gladiator match in history", the exact words that Lex Luthor used to describe the Batman vs Superman fight in BvS. Is Thor: Ragnarok also copying the X-Men movies? In X-Men: Apocalypse, Mystique (who started out as a villain in the X-Men movies) helped the X-Men fight Apocalypse. And in Thor: Ragnarok trailers suggest that Loki (who started out as a villain in MCU) is going to help Thor and Hulk fight Hela. No, this sort of thing was common in the comics.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 21, 2017 0:56:37 GMT
The first film to do this was X2 when Magneto, an outright villain in X1, helps the X-Men track down Strykers base. Its a common storyline used in movies, using a villain with some redeemable qualities and teaming them up with the hero to fight a common enemy. The Thor comics had Loki and Thor team up long before X-Men had them team up with Magneto.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 21, 2017 1:09:31 GMT
Loki helped Thor in Thor: The Dark World, which was released BEFORE X-Men: Apocalypse. But as charzhino pointed out, Magneto helped the X-Men in X2: X-Men United, which was released BEFORE there was even an MCU.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 21, 2017 1:15:08 GMT
But loki helped thor in The Dark World. If anything they're repeating that. Isn't Loki or some generic guy that stole 'tech' the villain is every mcu movie? If they didn't leave 'tech' just lying around would the avengers even be necessary. I'm not sure why the Avengers are necessary at all. The Avengers haven't faced a villain yet that is capable of conquering or destroying te entire planet. The Chitauri had no superpowers at all and all it took was 1 nuclear missile from the US military to defeat the Chitauri so the Chitauri were not threat at all to conquer or destroy the planet.
Ultron was a threat that was created by the Avengers so no Avengers means no Ultron. And Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer was defeated by a silly Dance-Off. So there haven't been any threats that were capable of conquering or destroying the planet. So why are the Avengers necessary, especially when the Avengers have caused a lot more death and destruction than they've saved.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 21, 2017 1:51:07 GMT
Loki helped Thor in Thor: The Dark World, which was released BEFORE X-Men: Apocalypse. But as charzhino pointed out, Magneto helped the X-Men in X2: X-Men United, which was released BEFORE there was even an MCU. The Thor comics had this stuff happen long before the X-Men bothered doing it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 21, 2017 1:52:46 GMT
Isn't Loki or some generic guy that stole 'tech' the villain is every mcu movie? If they didn't leave 'tech' just lying around would the avengers even be necessary. I'm not sure why the Avengers are necessary at all. The Avengers haven't faced a villain yet that is capable of conquering or destroying te entire planet. The Chitauri had no superpowers at all and all it took was 1 nuclear missile from the US military to defeat the Chitauri so the Chitauri were not threat at all to conquer or destroy the planet.
Ultron was a threat that was created by the Avengers so no Avengers means no Ultron. And Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer was defeated by a silly Dance-Off. So there haven't been any threats that were capable of conquering or destroying the planet. So why are the Avengers necessary, especially when the Avengers have caused a lot more death and destruction than they've saved.
The Nuke wouldn't have done anything to stop the invasion until it was redirected by Iron Man to the Mothership. And that was just dumb luck it succeeded in stopping the first wave. So yeah, the Avengers did their jobs better than anyone else. Ronan was defeated by the power of an Infinity Stone, not dancing. You want an incompetent, look at Superman in MoS.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 21, 2017 1:59:37 GMT
It's not the first time Loki lent a hand.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 21, 2017 2:01:52 GMT
We already know that Thor: Ragnarok is riping off BvS by promoting Hulk vs Thor as the "greatest gladiator match in history", the exact words that Lex Luthor used to describe the Batman vs Superman fight in BvS. Is Thor: Ragnarok also copying the X-Men movies? In X-Men: Apocalypse, Mystique (who started out as a villain in the X-Men movies) helped the X-Men fight Apocalypse. And in Thor: Ragnarok trailers suggest that Loki (who started out as a villain in MCU) is going to help Thor and Hulk fight Hela. You're grasping straws here. Villains teaming up with the hero is nothing new. Put these two films together, and they aren't remotely alike. I know you're upset Marvel will have another success, but complaining about it won't help.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 2:41:28 GMT
Loki is a pragmatic sort and he's been established as the pragmatic sort. Its in-character for him. If the MCU were going to ape the X-Men films, they'd have the Avengers be persecuted outsiders who save the world even though they're hated. However, they have more national hero/rockstar-like status with the population, instead.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 21, 2017 4:28:28 GMT
Loki helped Thor in Thor: The Dark World, which was released BEFORE X-Men: Apocalypse. But as charzhino pointed out, Magneto helped the X-Men in X2: X-Men United, which was released BEFORE there was even an MCU. Your original post made comparison to Apocalypse, so I addressed it. Also, Thor and Loki have teamed up before in the source material before The X-Men did with Magneto and his Brotherhood in the books.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 21, 2017 4:36:34 GMT
Isn't Loki or some generic guy that stole 'tech' the villain is every mcu movie? If they didn't leave 'tech' just lying around would the avengers even be necessary. I'm not sure why the Avengers are necessary at all. The Avengers haven't faced a villain yet that is capable of conquering or destroying te entire planet. The Chitauri had no superpowers at all and all it took was 1 nuclear missile from the US military to defeat the Chitauri so the Chitauri were not threat at all to conquer or destroy the planet.
Ultron was a threat that was created by the Avengers so no Avengers means no Ultron. And Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer was defeated by a silly Dance-Off. So there haven't been any threats that were capable of conquering or destroying the planet. So why are the Avengers necessary, especially when the Avengers have caused a lot more death and destruction than they've saved.
The nuclear missile was not launched at the wormhole towards the Chitauri mothership, it was aimed in NYC which means if it went off it would've not only taken the lives of the Chitauri but also of the innocent civilians residing in the city. Ultron was created by Stark and Banner, The Avengers did not really know about him till he made his grand entrance at their party. Oh why oh why do you still believe Ronan was defeated by a dance-off? Ronan never competed against Quill, he never lost and it took the use of an Infinity stone to destroy him.
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Post by claudius on Aug 21, 2017 11:11:02 GMT
There was Walt Simonson's Ragnorak storyline (or, perhaps more accurately, the Surtur Saga) in THOR, which had Asgard and Earth heroes joining together to fight the demon hordes of Surtur. Loki joined on the good guys' side despite promises to not do so (he reasoned that there would be nothing to take over if the Nine Worlds were destroyed). The X-Men also made cameos, which would lead to Chris Claremont's popular 'Mutants in Asgard' X-Over as Loki kidnaps Ororo and both the New Mutants and X-Men try to get her back.
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Post by Hitman's Bodyguard on Aug 25, 2017 15:28:52 GMT
Thor 3 doesn't copy the X-Men movies. It has a similarity, with X-Men 3. Both movies turned 2 great Marvel comic storylines , in unnecessary side stories.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 25, 2017 16:58:23 GMT
Thor 3 doesn't copy the X-Men movies. It has a similarity, with X-Men 3. Both movies turned 2 great Marvel comic storylines , in unnecessary side stories. They were never going to be able to do a proper Planet Hulk storyline in live-action, so this is as good as it'll get.
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