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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Aug 27, 2017 21:07:55 GMT
Things aren't looking great as they are, even with our full compliment but with Sanchez effectively out of the door (though I think he'll end up leaving in January), he's had enough and with the Ox not signing a new contract and with us wanting to get rid of Mustafi for some inexplicable reason.
Our defence is less than a shambles, it's a disgrace, no Koscielny as he's injured, the aging Mertesacker and holding leaves us with.... 3 centre backs, but effectively 2 and a team in disarray, Wenger needs to bring in at least two players - a class CM that can drive forward but also be a holding type like Kante and a top class CB and I highly doubt this happening.
But yeah we'll see how things pan out in the next 4 days of the transfer window but with the worse case scenario, we could be in really dire straits over the next 4 months.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 21:14:51 GMT
Everyone has known that Arsenal needed a good quality Viera type player for years now but Wenger has always said... nope, another classy ball player is what we need.
He hasn't grasped the very basics of football for over a decade now.
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Aug 27, 2017 21:23:10 GMT
Everyone has known that Arsenal needed a good quality Viera type player for years now but Wenger has always said... nope, another classy ball player is what we need. He hasn't grasped the very basics of football for over a decade now. Coquelin on his day can be very good in that vein but he's just inconsistent, Xhaka's also good but has his off days, may also see red a bit too often so yeah someone like Serri or Jorginho would fit the bill. But this is Wenger so we never get the players we need when we need them. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 21:37:12 GMT
I'm not up on the intricacies of managing a football team, but the fact that Wenger's tenure is so much longer than the norm (outside of Sir Alex) isn't necessarily a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 21:45:52 GMT
Also, obviously a terrible start, but let's not kid ourselves with any illusions that they were going to win the league.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 27, 2017 21:57:22 GMT
They were fucked when they brought Arsene back. But I have two questions...
1. Is the team on the pitch Wenger's of is it the Board of Directors? I keep reading that the team is a cash cow, but they spend like a League Two team.
2, No doubt that Arsenal is on a downward spiral. How far down can they go. I'm an American fan with no real sense of history. Can Arsenal sink to mid-table mediocrity? Or worse? I know that once upon a time Leeds and Nottingham Forest were giants. Could the Gunners futz around enough to be playing in the Championship?
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Aug 27, 2017 21:57:50 GMT
Also, obviously a terrible start, but let's not kid ourselves with any illusions that they were going to win the league. No of course not but where's the progress? We finished 5th and the team doesn't seem much better, we're regressing at worst, stagnating at best. Even with the FA cup win last season, it just papered over the cracks. Been saying it for years. sure we'll get top 4 over and over but we'll stand still while the teams around us get better and it's happened. |
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Aug 27, 2017 22:03:05 GMT
They were fucked when they brought Arsene back. But I have two questions... 1. Is the team on the pitch Wenger's of is it the Board of Directors? I keep reading that the team is a cash cow, but they spend like a League Two team. 2, No doubt that Arsenal is on a downward spiral. How far down can they go. I'm an American fan with no real sense of history. Can Arsenal sink to mid-table mediocrity? Or worse? I know that once upon a time Leeds and Nottingham Forest were giants. Could the Gunners futz around enough to be playing in the Championship? It's a bit of both, the board don't seem that invested in the club and for years they've been enabling Wenger to cruise, get us top 4 and do not much else, changing nothing and getting us in the situation we're in, a lot of fans want Stan Kroenke out, along with Wenger. And honestly it's hard to say, I doubt we'll be mid table any time soon but the way things are, we could have a fair bit of time outside of the top 4 which in itself is pretty bad news, seeing us drop further down the table would start to get even the more moderate fans more vocal and things could get ugly. The thing is we have the money to spend and the ambition (I hope) but just not the direction and faith of the fans with Wenger, if he stays for his 2 years then it's hard to say what will happen but at the moment we've got a lot of work to do. |
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Aug 27, 2017 22:12:37 GMT
should have hired jorge sampaoli.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 27, 2017 22:17:25 GMT
They were fucked when they brought Arsene back. But I have two questions... 1. Is the team on the pitch Wenger's of is it the Board of Directors? I keep reading that the team is a cash cow, but they spend like a League Two team. 2, No doubt that Arsenal is on a downward spiral. How far down can they go. I'm an American fan with no real sense of history. Can Arsenal sink to mid-table mediocrity? Or worse? I know that once upon a time Leeds and Nottingham Forest were giants. Could the Gunners futz around enough to be playing in the Championship? It's a bit of both, the board don't seem that invested in the club and for years they've been enabling Wenger to cruise, get us top 4 and do not much else, changing nothing and getting us in the situation we're in, a lot of fans want Stan Kroenke out, along with Wenger. And honestly it's hard to say, I doubt we'll be mid table any time soon but the way things are, we could have a fair bit of time outside of the top 4 which in itself is pretty bad news, seeing us drop further down the table would start to get even the more moderate fans more vocal and things could get ugly. The thing is we have the money to spend and the ambition (I hope) but just not the direction and faith of the fans with Wenger, if he stays for his 2 years then it's hard to say what will happen but at the moment we've got a lot of work to do. I have to admit it's very frustrating to be an Arsenal supporter. I live in Buffalo, so I'm no stranger to frustrating teams. But I've been a supporter since 2004. I hear that Arsenal is a big club, but they appear to be no more than an Ajax. I keep seeing big player leave for greener pastures. Henry, Fabregas, RVP, soon to be Alexis Sanchez. And I see crap come in, like Arshavin. Yeah, anyone can lose big players, like Neymar and Cristiano Ronaldo. Just once, I'd like to see them outbid for someone besides a promising forward from Ligue 1. |
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Post by staggerstag on Aug 28, 2017 0:12:13 GMT
I understand that physical manifestations are often induced by mental nerves, and in this respect Wenger gives me some cause for concern for his health. After all, he has been part of our Premier League for ages and although he may in some quarters have outstayed his welcome, it'd be a shame if something went seriously wrong with him. Did anyone else notice Wenger on the bench after Liverpool's first goal when he could barely take a sip from his water bottle without the threat of it spilling down his chin. I saw it on MOTD2 highlights. Six mins into the show. Face of thunder on the bench. Hand shaking like a bastard. Lips struggling to naturally connect with the bottle's orifice. But it didn't appear to me to be a mere heat-of-the-moment reaction. He looked weak. Broken. He took the swig, yes, but, man, he looked like a freshly operated-on hospital in-patient attempting with still-weak hands to imbibe some liquid after a night of nil-by-mouth.
Obviously clocking the footage, the commentator Steve Wilson remarked (on Wenger) : "As intensely (or was it 'tensely'? - I couldn't clearly tell) involved as ever..." This was Wilson's professional way of saying "This guy could truly be on the edge of a breakdown if he does not f*ck off now."
For all his millions, Wenger is continuing to look ill and more ill with each game.
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Post by weststigersbob on Aug 28, 2017 2:29:27 GMT
Whatever happens, I can't see Arsenal doing a Leeds. Clubs don't fluke 80 plus consecutive seasons in the top flight. Worse comes to worse, it could be back to "Boring Arsenal" and grinding out 0-0 and 1-0 over and over. They won't win the league, but they will finish top half and then re-generate like they did when Wenger first arrived.......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 8:50:24 GMT
They were fucked when they brought Arsene back. But I have two questions... 1. Is the team on the pitch Wenger's of is it the Board of Directors? I keep reading that the team is a cash cow, but they spend like a League Two team. 2, No doubt that Arsenal is on a downward spiral. How far down can they go. I'm an American fan with no real sense of history. Can Arsenal sink to mid-table mediocrity? Or worse? I know that once upon a time Leeds and Nottingham Forest were giants. Could the Gunners futz around enough to be playing in the Championship? Leeds got relegated because they overspent and almost went into receivership, so had to sell just about every player they had that had a bit of talent. Forest before and after Clough were never considered a giant, so they will probably yoyo about for many decades. Would love to see them back in the Premier League again though. In comparison, it would be pretty staggering if Arsenal got relegated, but I suppose Man United got relegated in the 70s just a few years after they won the European Cup, so anything is possible. We're overdue one of the giants going down, and who doesn't like a bit of schadenfreude? |
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Post by orlandogardner on Aug 28, 2017 12:08:14 GMT
You can hope all you like but there is no ambition outside of making a profit. Wenger is a good guy who does love the club but I think he has a little too much self belief. He believes wholeheartedly that the way he is running the club is the correct way and I do believe that he believes that success will come running it this way. This lead me to the realisation, about 8 seasons back, that he is completely deluded. Don't they say that "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." (I know this is not the actual definition but there is some truth in the saying). The evidence is irrefutable, Wenger has been running things the same way for decades with little success and is unable (or deliberately refuses) to see that there is no merit to the way things are run. As a supporter this is the most frustrating part and it's not going to change anytime soon. It's depressing. |
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Aug 28, 2017 15:34:17 GMT
Terms agreed for Ox to Chelsea by Sky sources, Wenger you are about to fck up monumentally. But hey won't listen to anyone but himself and the board I suppose, so go ahead.
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Post by orlandogardner on Aug 28, 2017 18:26:25 GMT
Terms agreed for Ox to Chelsea by Sky sources, Wenger you are about to fck up monumentally. But hey won't listen to anyone but himself and the board I suppose, so go ahead. To be fair OC is kinda s##t. Yeah he has pace and can dribble past a player or two but once in the clear he is awful. He can't pass or cross worth a s##t, gives the ball away constantly and has no footballing intelligence. He will be no real loss to the club. |
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Post by mangekyoalleluia on Aug 28, 2017 18:45:54 GMT
Terms agreed for Ox to Chelsea by Sky sources, Wenger you are about to fck up monumentally. But hey won't listen to anyone but himself and the board I suppose, so go ahead. To be fair OC is kinda s##t. Yeah he has pace and can dribble past a player or two but once in the clear he is awful. He can't pass or cross worth a s##t, gives the ball away constantly and has no footballing intelligence. He will be no real loss to the club. All fair points but I'll never agree to selling to a rival club in the PL and especially not Chelsea. It seems like the club wants £35 million for him to spend on..... no one? And Liverpool could swoop in for Lemar, would be an embarrassing end to the transfer window for us. |
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Post by orlandogardner on Aug 29, 2017 11:58:55 GMT
To be fair OC is kinda s##t. Yeah he has pace and can dribble past a player or two but once in the clear he is awful. He can't pass or cross worth a s##t, gives the ball away constantly and has no footballing intelligence. He will be no real loss to the club. All fair points but I'll never agree to selling to a rival club in the PL and especially not Chelsea. It seems like the club wants £35 million for him to spend on..... no one? And Liverpool could swoop in for Lemar, would be an embarrassing end to the transfer window for us. In general I would mostly agree with this. However in this case lets look at two glaring realities. OC is hardly gonna make Chelsea much better. I think he'll be a squad player at best. Secondly lets not kid ourselves any more, we are not rivals of Chelsea. They are realistically challenging for the PL and CL, we'll be lucky to get Europa League football again next season. They are now a couple of rungs above Arsenal and this doesn't look like changing any time soon. As for Lemar, I don't think he'd make any difference to our season. No use spending money on attacking players when there is no physicality or defensive quality in the team. The one thing I do agree with you on is the fact that it is indeed embarrassing. |
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