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Post by marco26 on Sept 6, 2017 19:21:44 GMT
music most definitely uses meter. Not the same meter that poetry utilizes. Hey, just because the word meter is a part of different things doesn't mean they are the same thing. Uhh, Usain Bolt ran the 100 meter race. I guess you think he's a poet.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 6, 2017 19:24:21 GMT
Springsteen is just okay, and good punk was the exception.
I would agree that most artists with long careers reach a peak before the end of their career, a peak that they never quite match again. But I think that mostly has to do with the fact that they (a) used a lot of their best ideas already, and (b) they lose some of the drive they had when they were younger and hungrier. The mere fact that they've had long careers means that they've had success and they can relax a bit.
At that, though, in my view there are plenty of examples of artists doing some of their best work a few decades or more into their careers, and I even think there are a few examples of artists doing some of their best work towards the end of decades-long careers.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 6, 2017 19:28:28 GMT
1. However, good lyrics won't make a bad song good, and bad lyrics won't make a good song bad. 2. What about instrumentals? 3. Show me a Bruce Springsteen song that you think "rocks hard." 1. Uhh, I can see you never heard of a performer named Bob Dylan. His music is three simple chords strummed on an acoustic guitar with an occasional bleat from a harmonica. In other words, bad music. But see this guy Dylan adds very good lyrics onto that simple music and, get this, his lyrics make a bad song good. 2. Instrumentals are tunes that the lyric writer suffered writer's block over. You give me any instrumental and I could make it better by adding some lyrics to it. Let me put it to you this way: Picture in your head any favorite tune of yours. Now get this: that song in your head was first an instrumental. Then the writer sat down and wrote lyrics to it and it became a better song. Got that? All songs start off as instrumentals and then the lyric writer improves them by adding lyrics. Instrumentals are just songs waiting for someone to add lyrics to and finish. 3. Show you a Springsteen song that rocks hard??? You really have got to be kidding, right? What are you going to ask next: show me a Zeppelin song that has Robert Plant singing on it? The vast majority of Dylan's music isn't just an acoustic guitar with a bit of harmonica to accompany singing. What--have you only listened to a couple Dylan albums? Dylan's music was very good. He worked with many of the best musicians in the business. Lots of great arrangements, etc. A lot of my favorite music has no vocals and/or no lyrics.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 6, 2017 19:30:26 GMT
Music is probably the most subjective form of art there is. Absolutely not. Music is actually the most objective form of art there is. There is good music and there is bad music. Period. The Clash is good music, Bon Jovi is bad music. It really is that simple. Look, a pile of shit is a pile of shit. There is no subjective opinions about that, right? Same with music. Jon Bon Jovi's song "It's My Life" is a pile of shit. The music board is pretty slow. Why don't we try posting where we're not trolling instead. That might be more interesting.
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Post by Admin on Sept 6, 2017 19:30:32 GMT
Did you just say music isn't poetry? Haha. Uh, yeah. Check this out. I go to a music store (remember those?) to buy music and I go to a book store to buy poetry. Music is music, poetry is poetry. Difficult concept to see, huh? That is without a doubt the most ridiculous thing you have ever read on the internet. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/tek3suwt5/laugh.gif)
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 6, 2017 19:34:42 GMT
music most definitely uses meter. Not the same meter that poetry utilizes. Hey, just because the word meter is a part of different things doesn't mean they are the same thing. Uhh, Usain Bolt ran the 100 meter race. I guess you think he's a poet. In Poetry: Meter is a stressed and unstressed syllabic pattern in a verse, or within the lines of a poem. Stressed syllables tend to be longer, and unstressed shorter. In Music: The metre (Am. meter) of music is its rhythmic structure, the patterns of accents heard in regularly recurring measures of stressed and unstressed beats. They pretty much serve the same function. And I defy anyone to say Usain isn't a poet on that field.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 6, 2017 19:35:51 GMT
music most definitely uses meter. Not the same meter that poetry utilizes. Hey, just because the word meter is a part of different things doesn't mean they are the same thing. Uhh, Usain Bolt ran the 100 meter race. I guess you think he's a poet. Actually it's not a different sense of meter. It's just that musical meter is more complicated, because it involves subdivisions as well as longer compounds, all of those can be layered, they can be layered in polyrhythms, the meter can be simply implied, etc. But the core idea is pretty much the same.
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Post by marco26 on Sept 6, 2017 19:41:10 GMT
Not the same meter that poetry utilizes. Hey, just because the word meter is a part of different things doesn't mean they are the same thing. Uhh, Usain Bolt ran the 100 meter race. I guess you think he's a poet. In Poetry: Meter is a stressed and unstressed syllabic pattern in a verse, or within the lines of a poem. Stressed syllables tend to be longer, and unstressed shorter. In Music: The metre (Am. meter) of music is its rhythmic structure, the patterns of accents heard in regularly recurring measures of stressed and unstressed beats. They pretty much serve the same function. And I defy anyone to say Usain isn't a poet on that field. Uhh, what exactly are the sounds stressed and unstressed? I'll tell you. In music it is musical sounds and in poetry it is words. Big difference, kid. And Usain Bolt is a poet only in the sense that his creativity - like many a poet's creativity - came from drugs.
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Post by marco26 on Sept 6, 2017 19:44:17 GMT
The vast majority of Dylan's music isn't just an acoustic guitar with a bit of harmonica to accompany singing. Uhh, let me correct your statement for you. "The vast majority of Dylan's horrendous music isn't an acoustic guitar with a bit of harmonica to accompany singing." In other words when Dylan branched out away from acoustic guitar/harmonica/vocals and tried to actually make music, he was awful.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 6, 2017 19:56:28 GMT
In Poetry: Meter is a stressed and unstressed syllabic pattern in a verse, or within the lines of a poem. Stressed syllables tend to be longer, and unstressed shorter. In Music: The metre (Am. meter) of music is its rhythmic structure, the patterns of accents heard in regularly recurring measures of stressed and unstressed beats. They pretty much serve the same function. And I defy anyone to say Usain isn't a poet on that field. Uhh, what exactly are the sounds stressed and unstressed? I'll tell you. In music it is musical sounds and in poetry it is words. Big difference, kid. And Usain Bolt is a poet only in the sense that his creativity - like many a poet's creativity - came from drugs. Whoa, marco seems to have suffered a stroke at some point in time. First he was upset Admin said music wasn't poetry. Then when I sided with him that music is poetry, he went out of his way to prove (in his own head) why music wasn't poetry. Either it's a stroke, or he's just looking to argue with anyone. And yes, music and words are different. But that's not subject at hand. The function of meter is the same in both. To measure stressed and unstressed beats.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 6, 2017 19:56:45 GMT
The vast majority of Dylan's music isn't just an acoustic guitar with a bit of harmonica to accompany singing. Uhh, let me correct your statement for you. "The vast majority of Dylan's horrendous music isn't an acoustic guitar with a bit of harmonica to accompany singing." In other words when Dylan branched out away from acoustic guitar/harmonica/vocals and tried to actually make music, he was awful. So with a couple exceptions, perhaps, you only like the first four albums? Again, how about if we tried to seriously post here rather than just trolling. The SteveHoffman site shows what a music board could be like if we didn't troll.
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Post by marco26 on Sept 6, 2017 21:07:49 GMT
Again, how about if we tried to seriously post here rather than just trolling. Trolling? Hey, I take my music very seriously and am very opinionated when it comes to all things music. But this thread sure has some idiocy on it. This thread actually has people saying that an instrumental track is...get this, poetry! Yeah, "Frankenstein" by Edgar Winter is just like Walt Whitman's "Oh Captain! My Captain!"
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 6, 2017 21:40:19 GMT
just like Walt Whitman's "Oh Captain! My Captain!"
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