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Post by marco26 on Aug 31, 2017 0:25:37 GMT
OK, it's my own theory so don't argue against me...you will lose.
Music that starts off as something brilliant can only lead to crap. Take punk rock and Bruce Springsteen as two examples.
1. Springsteen.
You may not like him, but there is no debating the fact that for his first four albums he was as good as anything in music can get. He was the common man's poet. A modern day Walt Whitman. Brucee spoke for everyman. And he rocked hard. But he was doomed to fail. Because he was so great, he was doomed to fail. Bruce said this (and it explains why he turned to shit): "It's kind of hard to write songs about the common man when you are living in a mansion on a hill."
Bingo. The more successful Bruce became (and boy did he become super-successful) the worse his songwriting became. He now did live in that mansion on the hill he once scathingly wrote songs about. He became what Sandy and Candy and Kitty and all those others in his songs never could be. Game over for Bruce.
His greatness led to his failure.
2. Punk Rock
Anti-establishment, anti-rock, anti-anything. It was great when it was that. But it was only that for a very, very short time. The Buzzcock's Howard Devoto said it best: "What went wrong with punk is that...it caught on." The moment something that was outside becomes inside...doomed to fail.
Punk's greatness led to its failure.
There are other examples of greatness in music leading to crapping out (The Beatles, disco, Joy Division...). My theory is unimpeachable. Being great will lead to your destruction in music.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 0:45:53 GMT
Have you ever considered that the greatest artistic achievements of mankind might be childish scribblings compared to what alien civilizations might be knocking out?
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Post by Matthew the Swordsman on Aug 31, 2017 0:51:22 GMT
Have you ever considered that the greatest artistic achievements of mankind might be childish scribblings compared to what alien civilizations might be knocking out? I bet $500 that aliens are better dressed than humans. Let's be honest with ourselves...humans wear yucky clothes. |
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Post by marco26 on Aug 31, 2017 2:00:18 GMT
Have you ever considered that the greatest artistic achievements of mankind might be childish scribblings compared to what alien civilizations might be knocking out? No alien civilization could ever come up with anything as brilliant and profound as this: |
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Post by Admin on Aug 31, 2017 5:46:12 GMT
OK, it's my own theory so don't argue against me...you will lose. Music that starts off as something brilliant can only lead to crap. Take punk rock and Bruce Springsteen as two examples. 1. Springsteen. You may not like him, but there is no debating the fact that for his first four albums he was as good as anything in music can get. He was the common man's poet. A modern day Walt Whitman. Brucee spoke for everyman. And he rocked hard. Music isn't poetry, and "rocked hard" isn't how I would describe anything Bruce Springsteen has ever done. |
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Post by marco26 on Aug 31, 2017 13:41:58 GMT
Music isn't poetry, and "rocked hard" isn't how I would describe anything Bruce Springsteen has ever done. Wow. That is without a doubt the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on the internet. Music isn't poetry? Springsteen can't rock? Uhh, this is a music board. Are you sure this is the place for you? |
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Post by Admin on Aug 31, 2017 18:10:50 GMT
Music isn't poetry, and "rocked hard" isn't how I would describe anything Bruce Springsteen has ever done. Wow. That is without a doubt the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on the internet. Music isn't poetry? Springsteen can't rock? Uhh, this is a music board. Are you sure this is the place for you? For those who think music is just a backdrop for the lyrics, I suppose that would be a ridiculous thing to say. However, good lyrics won't make a bad song good, and bad lyrics won't make a good song bad. What about instrumentals? No lyrics, no music? And what happens here? Show me a Bruce Springsteen song that you think "rocks hard." |
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Post by marco26 on Sept 1, 2017 2:16:33 GMT
1. However, good lyrics won't make a bad song good, and bad lyrics won't make a good song bad. 2. What about instrumentals? 3. Show me a Bruce Springsteen song that you think "rocks hard." 1. Uhh, I can see you never heard of a performer named Bob Dylan. His music is three simple chords strummed on an acoustic guitar with an occasional bleat from a harmonica. In other words, bad music. But see this guy Dylan adds very good lyrics onto that simple music and, get this, his lyrics make a bad song good. 2. Instrumentals are tunes that the lyric writer suffered writer's block over. You give me any instrumental and I could make it better by adding some lyrics to it. Let me put it to you this way: Picture in your head any favorite tune of yours. Now get this: that song in your head was first an instrumental. Then the writer sat down and wrote lyrics to it and it became a better song. Got that? All songs start off as instrumentals and then the lyric writer improves them by adding lyrics. Instrumentals are just songs waiting for someone to add lyrics to and finish. 3. Show you a Springsteen song that rocks hard??? You really have got to be kidding, right? What are you going to ask next: show me a Zeppelin song that has Robert Plant singing on it? |
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Post by Admin on Sept 2, 2017 2:52:04 GMT
1. Uhh, I can see you never heard of a performer named Bob Dylan. His music is three simple chords strummed on an acoustic guitar with an occasional bleat from a harmonica. In other words, bad music. But see this guy Dylan adds very good lyrics onto that simple music and, get this, his lyrics make a bad song good. 2. Instrumentals are tunes that the lyric writer suffered writer's block over. You give me any instrumental and I could make it better by adding some lyrics to it. Let me put it to you this way: Picture in your head any favorite tune of yours. Now get this: that song in your head was first an instrumental. Then the writer sat down and wrote lyrics to it and it became a better song. Got that? All songs start off as instrumentals and then the lyric writer improves them by adding lyrics. Instrumentals are just songs waiting for someone to add lyrics to and finish. 3. Show you a Springsteen song that rocks hard??? You really have got to be kidding, right? What are you going to ask next: show me a Zeppelin song that has Robert Plant singing on it? 1. That would be the backdrop I mentioned. 2. How do you feel about songs sung in a language you don't understand? 3. Does this rock hard?  |
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Post by marco26 on Sept 2, 2017 3:16:22 GMT
How do you feel about songs sung in a language you don't understand? I love when Ferrari wins in Formula One racing and I get to hear the Italian national anthem. Great song. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 2, 2017 3:17:28 GMT
How do you feel about songs sung in a language you don't understand? I love when Ferrari wins in Formula One racing and I get to hear the Italian national anthem. Great song. Does that answer the question? And what about that hard rockin' Springsteen song? |
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Sept 2, 2017 3:23:32 GMT
Music is probably the most subjective form of art there is. What ultimately determines whether music is great or not is also highly subjective. Success is largely overrated and the what really ends up being the best is up to each individual. Discussions are fun, just remember that there's rarely a true winner or loser in arguments over art. 😉
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Post by marco26 on Sept 2, 2017 3:28:31 GMT
And what about that hard rockin' Springsteen song? Uhh, numbnuts, you clearly are a 13 year old adolescent boy. You like AC/DC...a band that makes sure every single song they do sounds exactly the same. Springsteen and every other artist on Earth actually can do various styles of music. Ah, but you like music to be like a package of Oreos -- every single one the same. Stick to AC/DC or The Ramones or reggae, kid. The same song repeated over and over and over and over and over.... |
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Post by marco26 on Sept 2, 2017 3:35:25 GMT
Music is probably the most subjective form of art there is. Absolutely not. Music is actually the most objective form of art there is. There is good music and there is bad music. Period. The Clash is good music, Bon Jovi is bad music. It really is that simple. Look, a pile of shit is a pile of shit. There is no subjective opinions about that, right? Same with music. Jon Bon Jovi's song "It's My Life" is a pile of shit. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 2, 2017 3:41:54 GMT
And what about that hard rockin' Springsteen song? Uhh, numbnuts, you clearly are a 13 year old adolescent boy. You like AC/DC...a band that makes sure every single song they do sounds exactly the same. Springsteen and every other artist on Earth actually can do various styles of music. Ah, but you like music to be like a package of Oreos -- every single one the same. Stick to AC/DC or The Ramones or reggae, kid. The same song repeated over and over and over and over and over.... You're not a very pleasant person to talk to, but I digress. I do like AC/DC. However, the point is whether or not there must be lyrics for it to be music. Those who say yes do not understand what music is, or what it isn't. Objectively speaking, of course... What happens now? |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 6, 2017 16:19:03 GMT
Wow. That is without a doubt the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on the internet. Music isn't poetry? Springsteen can't rock? Uhh, this is a music board. Are you sure this is the place for you? For those who think music is just a backdrop for the lyrics, I suppose that would be a ridiculous thing to say. However, good lyrics won't make a bad song good, and bad lyrics won't make a good song bad. What about instrumentals? No lyrics, no music? And what happens here? Show me a Bruce Springsteen song that you think "rocks hard." I honestly see no reason instrumentals can't be considered poetry. They can set a mood and stir emotions in people as much as verbal poetry. |
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Post by marco26 on Sept 6, 2017 16:45:38 GMT
I honestly see no reason instrumentals can't be considered poetry. They can set a mood and stir emotions in people as much as verbal poetry. Poetry deals with rhyme, meter, alliteration...stuff like that. Musical notes do not involve that, words do. Yes, instrumental music can set a mood or tone like a poem can, but it does that differently making it a different art form from poetry. |
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Post by Admin on Sept 6, 2017 18:27:06 GMT
I honestly see no reason instrumentals can't be considered poetry. They can set a mood and stir emotions in people as much as verbal poetry. Poetry deals with rhyme, meter, alliteration...stuff like that. Musical notes do not involve that, words do. Yes, instrumental music can set a mood or tone like a poem can, but it does that differently making it a different art form from poetry. Did you just say music isn't poetry? Haha. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 6, 2017 18:44:38 GMT
Facepalm. One of the times I've genuinely done that.
And what an odd argument. Because music most definitely uses meter.
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Post by marco26 on Sept 6, 2017 19:12:44 GMT
Poetry deals with rhyme, meter, alliteration...stuff like that. Musical notes do not involve that, words do. Yes, instrumental music can set a mood or tone like a poem can, but it does that differently making it a different art form from poetry. Did you just say music isn't poetry? Haha. Uh, yeah. Check this out. I go to a music store (remember those?) to buy music and I go to a book store to buy poetry. Music is music, poetry is poetry. Difficult concept to see, huh? |
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