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Post by Aj_June on Sept 2, 2017 11:24:34 GMT
There were 4 alternative probabilities before Cersie made the decision. For a moment let us leave out the moral implications of her decision but only concentrate on possible end results
1 & 2) Cersei agreed to send her forces to fight with unified army of westeros - In this case the unified army would either win against WWs or lose against WWs. In case of defeat, the army of dead will eventually come to KL and finish off Cersei and entire population of Westeros. However, if the WW lose against the unified human forces then it could turn into an interesting situation. There might be a greater bonding between different houses because of the emotions involved in overcoming a different species who could have eliminated human beings if not for unified human efforts. While default situation will be e Jon/Dany being the most likely ruler (unless they die during the war), Cersei stands a good chance of being forgiven and handed over Westerlands to rule as a royal Lord/Lady. There is still a small possibility that Cersei still might remain the queen even if unified human forces win. May be Jon/ Dany both die or their army suffer a great damage. Or there might be some chance they won't want to be the rulers after the great battle.
3 & 4) Cersie didn't send her forces to fight with unified forces of Westeros - In this case too, unified army will either win or lose. In case they lose then WWs will kill Cersei. But in case the unified army win then Jon/Dany would definitely lay claim to Iron Throne. In such a case, Cersei's own allies might rebel against her because Dany/Jon would have made such a great achievement by defeating the WWs. As such they will fight against Cersei who would have the Golden Company and Lannister forces and a few more houses. But if Dany's dragons survive then it will hardly matter. Even if dany's dragons don't survive then still Unified forces may have a great force to beat Cersei. Overall I give Cersei 12% to 15% chance of winning against the unified army.
That said, Cersei seems to be a person who believes ruling in hell is better than serving in heaven. So merely being Lady or Lord paramount of the Westerlands is not what she wants. She wants to be the outright ruler. In my personal opinion from Cersei's pov she did take an appropriate decision based on her real self.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 2, 2017 11:43:21 GMT
Jon and Daenerys are both plan-less idiots. Joining forces with them is a recipe for disaster but sending them to waste themselves in a war can be useful. Faking some support could be a cynical decision, sacrificing forces which could be better used otherwise.
Cersei's best chance is to hope Jon the Fool gets his and Daenerys's army destroyed in the most useful way before planning an intelligent response to whatever threat wil remain.
Long may she reign.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 2, 2017 12:16:49 GMT
I think her decision is overall smart or at least shrewd.
There is no upside for her to bring her army to help fight in the North only to have to fight the combined forces of what we can assume are the Riverlands. Vale, North, & possibly even Dorne.
If the WW win, that may still buy her more time to prepare, including Dragonglass if she can get to Dragonstone and wildfire.
She could risk the Golden Company to go after the North and face the WW since they would be clueless of the threat and, like Ramsay and his dad, hold back her own troops.
At the end of the day, the story is sadly about the Iron Throne so that's where it will end. It makes little sense that the end would not involve Cersei at this point being her evil self.
To be clear, I don't think she can win since she doesn't really know the enemy*, but I totally get why she thinks she can win and especially since no one was smart enough to think a dead dragon can be zombiefied.
*For that matter, I don't know how Jon would win either unless he goes solely to the WW and bypasses the zombies altogether. This should be easy since they are always in plain view. I guess he would do that and then have a final battle with the Night King. That all seems very mundane though...
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 2, 2017 12:52:56 GMT
At the end of the day, the story is sadly about the Iron Throne so that's where it will end. It makes little sense that the end would not involve Cersei at this point being her evil self. To be clear, I don't think she can win since she doesn't really know the enemy*, but I totally get why she thinks she can win and especially since no one was smart enough to think a dead dragon can be zombiefied. Cersei is not evil. She defends herself and refuses to share egalitarian or blindly inclusive views. I know these are acts which modern leftists perceive as the worst offence ever. Jon, the greatest fool idiots ever loved, "knows" the enemy and never bothered to think about how to fight it. He is the greatest mockery in the history of story telling, the first absolutely stupid hero not to be part of a parody. |
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Post by pk9 on Sept 2, 2017 17:29:39 GMT
She could risk the Golden Company to go after the North and face the WW since they would be clueless of the threat and, like Ramsay and his dad, hold back her own troops. As far as Cersei's concerned, there's no distinction between her "own troops" and the Golden Company. They're all just faceless servants for her. She'd be perfectly happy if the entire population of Westeros and the Golden Company all die leaving it just with her, Jaime, the baby, Qyburn and the Mountain. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 2, 2017 17:36:13 GMT
She could risk the Golden Company to go after the North and face the WW since they would be clueless of the threat and, like Ramsay and his dad, hold back her own troops. As far as Cersei's concerned, there's no distinction between her "own troops" and the Golden Company. They're all just faceless servants for her. She'd be perfectly happy if the entire population of Westeros and the Golden Company all die leaving it just with her, Jaime, the baby, Qyburn and the Mountain. And her lion.  |
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Post by bluerisk on Sept 3, 2017 21:26:43 GMT
Cercei will be killed by Arya. That is pretty sure. More than who will win in the North
According to some sources it will be the North.
Dany will lose Rhaegal (Bran wargs into him and enter a suicadal fight with Vizerion). But this fight will have a significant blow for the NK for a warg is trapped in the person or animal he has warged into, and if it dies, like Verzerion, your part of the mind that is within this host dies with it. Bran also dies.
Jaime has joined his forces with Edmure and saves the day when the WW are about to seize the upper hand (before the NK is struck by Verzerion's death).
Last but not least Jaqen pays Arya a last visit and telling her that the faceless god has a final mission for her: killing Cercei. Someone else want her dead and made the sacrifice to the faceless god...Cercei is as good as dead. If Arya fails - and she won't - other faceless men will go after her and kill her.
Could be interesting to find out who made the sacrifice (his or her own live) to the faceless god.
Varys, Tyrion, a Sandsnake we don't know...who is still alive and wnat her death and would even scarifice his or her live?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 3, 2017 21:32:20 GMT
According to some sources it will be the North. So you believe in fake "leaks". Not surprising. |
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Post by bluerisk on Sept 3, 2017 21:52:25 GMT
According to some sources it will be the North. So you believe in fake "leaks". Not surprising. They were 100% correct the last time...but you didn't even watch the show save from reading the books. Your Cercei will die. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 3, 2017 22:59:00 GMT
So you believe in fake "leaks". Not surprising. They were 100% correct the last time...but you didn't even watch the show save from reading the books. Your Cercei will die. You're still an idiot, bluefuck, and the show won't change that. |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 4, 2017 1:37:53 GMT
Cercei will be killed by Arya. That is pretty sure. More than who will win in the North According to some sources it will be the North. Dany will lose Rhaegal (Bran wargs into him and enter a suicadal fight with Vizerion). But this fight will have a significant blow for the NK for a warg is trapped in the person or animal he has warged into, and if it dies, like Verzerion, your part of the mind that is within this host dies with it. Bran also dies. Jaime has joined his forces with Edmure and saves the day when the WW are about to seize the upper hand (before the NK is struck by Verzerion's death). Last but not least Jaqen pays Arya a last visit and telling her that the faceless god has a final mission for her: killing Cercei. Someone else want her dead and made the sacrifice to the faceless god...Cercei is as good as dead. If Arya fails - and she won't - other faceless men will go after her and kill her. Could be interesting to find out who made the sacrifice (his or her own live) to the faceless god. Varys, Tyrion, a Sandsnake we don't know...who is still alive and wnat her death and would even scarifice his or her live? I like all these things you say Bluerisk. I hope Arya opens her guts out. I once wished defeat on all German Clubs. Now I wish victory for Bayern Munich and also hope Dortmund makes it to semi final of Champions league. |
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