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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 16:23:15 GMT
Then it is the method of production you have a problem with, not the choice of what you choose to eat... Why do you need animals for fertiliser? Humans produce enough shit for fertilising the land. Okay, let's do the basics. For one, humans eat so darn much crap and medicines (like birth control) that we would effectively kill the land. Sure, we could purify it, but then the poo is not interesting for insects in the same way. You see, insects need to breed somewhere. So yes, a truly environmentally friendly way of producing food, require animals. And by the way, a big chunk of those 70% of grain going to animals are from harvests that have failed and are not suitable for human consumption. I've got news for you... most farm produced food is already human sewage fed... That simply isn't true about the 70% per cent of grain being unfit for human consumption... it is specifically grown AS animal food, and never intended to go for human consumption. |
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 1, 2017 16:25:14 GMT
When a Christian shows up at your door, interrupting whatever you were doing to tell you about Jee-zuhs... They make it seem like you’re not an animal lover Even though I can’t decide if I’m a cat or dog person, I’m obviously an animal lover. I visit the zoo whenever I can, and I bought a animal calendar from the Humane Society. I just don’t love chickens. They think nutritional yeast is cool, and vegan cheese is good Why do they always push their weird foods on non-vegans? We all know they taste like feet, give up. They make you watch scary documentaries and read books Once you’ve seen one movie, you’ve seen them all. Blah blah blah end of the world bullshit. Not buying into that propaganda. And I’m definitely not wasting time on fiction, either. They judge you They’re always telling non-vegans what’s wrong with them. This lifestyle is good enough for Leonardo DiCaprio, so it’s good enough for me. They tell everyone they’re vegan all the time We know- do you want a medal? Should we give prizes to everyone who had broccoli for dinner? They are so pretentious/narcissistic/self righteous They think that just because they don’t contribute to the slaughter of piglets on the daily, they’re saints. Don’t you know faux leather is bad for the environment, too? They think they’re the only ethical people All of my meat is humane, and I would never eat eggs from chickens that weren’t given at least three inches of space for chilling. Don’t pretend being ethical has anything to do with helping others. They force you to go to their favourite restaurant every time We all have THAT vegan friend. Your restaurant’s smell like kale and sadness, no thanks. Plus, I’ll just get hungry af in like an hour. They fill your fb page with animals Your profile and banner are bad enough, stop reposting every set of paws you could across. Do you even like humans? They spout facts and statistics all the time And none of them carry around their sources. It’s irresponsible. It’s total propaganda. Online, it’s totally made up, too. Everyone knows fossil fuels are the problem. They don’t like being asked questions about nutrition Why did you go vegan if you didn’t want to talk about vegetables? Everyone knows vegans are the healthiest, so I expect you to back that up when I ask you where you get your protein. I'm not a vegetarian but it is well known that eating too much meat (especially of the processed kind) can bring long-term health consequences while growing plants for food results in less adverse greenhouse gasses than raising cattle for food. Also, a plant-based diet gives one more to chew over than door-to-door Christians... |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Mar 1, 2017 16:28:45 GMT
Meh, outside of the occasional FB judgement meme or link, they don't bother me much. I respond to all vegan preaching with a picture of bacon, though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 16:41:03 GMT
What supplements are they then? And do explain how vegans kill millions more animals than meat eaters, I would love to know. I'm a smallholder in my spare time and I have free range animals, that add their manure directly to the ground, I have a permaculture garden, where I dont plow. To have a truly ecofriendly permaculture, it requires to have animals. My lifestyle creates life, my farm is a haven for the insects. My food don't travel around the world, the cheese I eat I make myself from the milk of my neighbours cows. I eat the apples from the local trees and mushrooms I pick myself in the forrest. You are doing it all wrong if you "need" animals to work your land... I can't remember the culture's name, I did the research nearly twenty years ago... anyway, people's in the Andes a long time ago developed perfect sustainable plant agriculture system... archaeologists discovered and interpreted their system, then experimental archaeologists experimented with it... the results showed the system needed no watering, no added fertiliser, was drought and frost resistant... the Peruvian government was so impressed they produced leaflets and sent people to teach the forgotten method to the small villagers of the high Andes. |
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Post by yezziqa on Mar 1, 2017 16:47:34 GMT
Okay, let's do the basics. For one, humans eat so darn much crap and medicines (like birth control) that we would effectively kill the land. Sure, we could purify it, but then the poo is not interesting for insects in the same way. You see, insects need to breed somewhere. So yes, a truly environmentally friendly way of producing food, require animals. And by the way, a big chunk of those 70% of grain going to animals are from harvests that have failed and are not suitable for human consumption. I've got news for you... most farm produced food is already human sewage fed... That simply isn't true about the 70% per cent of grain being unfit for human consumption... it is specifically grown AS animal food, and never intended to go for human consumption. And that was supposed to be news to me how? I just told you that "modern" agriculture is "bad" and that sewige is toxic.  Prove that a big chunk isn't grown for mans consumption.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 16:49:47 GMT
Prove that a big chunk isn't directly grown for animal consumption. Why, I agree, it is. |
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Post by yezziqa on Mar 1, 2017 16:50:49 GMT
Prove that a big chunk isn't directly grown for animal consumption. Why, I agree, it is. I edited it. |
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Post by yezziqa on Mar 1, 2017 16:55:45 GMT
I'm a smallholder in my spare time and I have free range animals, that add their manure directly to the ground, I have a permaculture garden, where I dont plow. To have a truly ecofriendly permaculture, it requires to have animals. My lifestyle creates life, my farm is a haven for the insects. My food don't travel around the world, the cheese I eat I make myself from the milk of my neighbours cows. I eat the apples from the local trees and mushrooms I pick myself in the forrest. You are doing it all wrong if you "need" animals to work your land... I can't remember the culture's name, I did the research nearly twenty years ago... anyway, people's in the Andes a long time ago developed perfect sustainable plant agriculture system... archaeologists discovered and interpreted their system, then experimental archaeologists experimented with it... the results showed the system needed no watering, no added fertiliser, was drought and frost resistant... the Peruvian government was so impressed they produced leaflets and sent people to teach the forgotten method to the small villagers of the high Andes. The peruvian government have found a way where insects don't need feces for their eggs and where plants don't lower the pH value of the soil? Wow! I must have that leaflet, whats it called? "something you dreamt"? No, i'm not doing anything wrong, as many of the anchient civilazations ended just because of environmental disasters caused by agriculture. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 16:59:05 GMT
I used to work for the Department of The Environment, Food, and Rural Affairs in the UK... I know how it works... You can do your own research for the US if you like... you will find I am right about crops grown as animal feed though. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 17:04:02 GMT
You are doing it all wrong if you "need" animals to work your land... I can't remember the culture's name, I did the research nearly twenty years ago... anyway, people's in the Andes a long time ago developed perfect sustainable plant agriculture system... archaeologists discovered and interpreted their system, then experimental archaeologists experimented with it... the results showed the system needed no watering, no added fertiliser, was drought and frost resistant... the Peruvian government was so impressed they produced leaflets and sent people to teach the forgotten method to the small villagers of the high Andes. The peruvian government have found a way where insects don't need feces for their eggs and where plants don't lower the pH value of the soil? Wow! I must have that leaflet, whats it called? "something you dreamt"? No, I can't remember what the leaflet they produced was called, but it was based on sound archaeological research that was proven in field trials... I will try and remember the archaeological papers for you if that helps? A university near you may have copies. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 2, 2017 17:38:19 GMT
What supplements are they then? And do explain how vegans kill millions more animals than meat eaters, I would love to know. Vegetables, potatoes, grains, beans etc are grown in something called monocultures, it means that it is one crop in a big area. All of these plants bloom one time per season, and 70 % of them require pollinating insekts in order so set fruit. With them just blooming once per season, the insects starve. "Modern" agriculture also plow the fields, destroying it's layers and suffocating the animals living in it. The big monocultures is also more susceptible to diseases, and are sprayed with pesticides, causing things like the big bee death that killed 70 % of the worlds bees just a couple of years ago. And don't get me started on the effects of artificial fertilizers. So how is my lifestyle different? I'm a smallholder in my spare time and I have free range animals, that add their manure directly to the ground, I have a permaculture garden, where I dont plow. To have a truly ecofriendly permaculture, it requires to have animals. My lifestyle creates life, my farm is a haven for the insects. My food don't travel around the world, the cheese I eat I make myself from the milk of my neighbours cows. I eat the apples from the local trees and mushrooms I pick myself in the forrest. I am purely envious. You have achieved what I am striving towards.
I have a short 4 acres that started as flat mown pasture with some forest at the edges. Over the years I have planted trees, fenced and cross-fenced, let some of it go back to unmown habitat, some is 'mown' by two miniature goats that add their manure directly to the ground. I compost or recycle almost everything and am just know starting to add edibles in small, raised beds.
I also have committed to leaving a large portion of the land to milkweeds for the Monarch butterflies, and am slowly adding two fruit trees a year - different fruit every year - to the native mulberries and black raspberries. Insects, wild animals, birds and butterflies all welcome, especially the pollinators. No pesticides or artificial fertilizers here. Some 'weeds' are edible; lambs quarters and dandelions, and the wild bunnies love purple clover. I have a bumper crop of garlic chives every year.
It's getting there, but it all takes time and effort. It's worth it, and I am looking forward to adding more.
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