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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 15:23:15 GMT
As we all know Abram and his beautiful wife Sarai traveled to Egypt and Egyptians had their way with her. What if Isaac was one of their illegitimate children ? And whaf if Ishmael was the real descendant of Abraham?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 15:30:42 GMT
Genetic analysis of modern Egyptians reveals that they have paternal lineages common to indigenous other Afro-Asiatic-speaking populations in Northeast and Northwest Africa , and to Middle Eastern peoples to a lesser extent—these lineages would have spread during the Neolithic and were maintained by the predynastic period
Approximately 35% to 43% of Jewish men are in the paternal line known as haplogroup J and its sub-haplogroups. This Haplogroup is particularly present in the Middle East, Southern Europe, and Northern Africa. Fifteen to 30% are in haplogroup E1b1b, (or E-M35) and its sub-haplogroups. Compare that to haplogroup diversity of Egyptians: J1, J2, E1b1b1a (M78), E1b1b1b (M81)and E1b1b1c
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Post by austendw on Mar 1, 2017 19:25:41 GMT
As we all know Abram and his beautiful wife Sarai traveled to Egypt and Egyptians had their way with her. What if Isaac was one of their illegitimate children ? And whaf if Ishmael was the real descendant of Abraham? Well it's interesting you say this. Tsemah Yoreh, an Old Testament scholar, argues that the oldest stratum of Genesis actually suggests this very thing - albeit making Abimelech King of Gerar the father (as in Genesis 20:1-20) rather than Pharaoh (in Genesis 12:10-20). Here is an extract from his essay about this "E" source So in this narrative, written by a northern Israelite, Abraham kills Isaac, and his heir is his son by Hagar (who in this version is not named), making Abraham the father of the tribes living in the very south of Palestine & the Sinai peninsula. Jacob, who is not related to Abraham at all, is the father of the northern tribes of Israel. This theoretical stratification of Genesis is not flawless but it is rather intriguing. See more of Tsemah Yoreh's theories here |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 19:31:33 GMT
We are all African...
And Egypt is in Africa, so kind of.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 19:31:38 GMT
As we all know Abram and his beautiful wife Sarai traveled to Egypt and Egyptians had their way with her. What if Isaac was one of their illegitimate children ? And whaf if Ishmael was the real descendant of Abraham?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 19:33:10 GMT
We are all African... And Egypt is in Africa, so kind of. I'm not a descendant of Lucy. Maybe you are. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 19:34:58 GMT
We are all African... And Egypt is in Africa, so kind of. I'm not a descendant of Lucy. Maybe you are. Gottaluvafriend, meet mitochondrial DNA... |
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Mar 1, 2017 19:36:02 GMT
We are all African... And Egypt is in Africa, so kind of. I'm not a descendant of Lucy. Maybe you are. Another example of your not so subtle racism. |
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Post by Cinemachinery on Mar 1, 2017 19:39:09 GMT
I'm not a descendant of Lucy. Maybe you are. Another example of your not so subtle racism. Says you. He was born of the union between a snow bank and a jar of mayo. Sorry for all you lesser races. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 19:39:43 GMT
As we all know Abram and his beautiful wife Sarai traveled to Egypt and Egyptians had their way with her. What if Isaac was one of their illegitimate children ? And whaf if Ishmael was the real descendant of Abraham? Well it's interesting you say this. Tsemah Yoreh, an Old Testament scholar, argues that the oldest stratum of Genesis actually suggests this very thing - albeit making Abimelech King of Gerar the father (as in Genesis 20:1-20) rather than Pharaoh (in Genesis 12:10-20). Here is an extract from his essay about this "E" source So in this narrative, written by a northern Israelite, Abraham kills Isaac, and his heir is his son by Hagar (who in this version is not named), making Abraham the father of the tribes living in the very south of Palestine & the Sinai peninsula. Jacob, who is not related to Abraham at all, is the father of the northern tribes of Israel. This theoretical stratification of Genesis is not flawless but it is rather intriguing. See more of Tsemah Yoreh's theories here Beautiful! Thanks for this very informative post. |
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Mar 1, 2017 19:43:16 GMT
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Post by Cinemachinery on Mar 1, 2017 19:47:24 GMT
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Mar 1, 2017 19:49:27 GMT
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Post by fatpaul on Mar 3, 2017 10:41:57 GMT
So in this narrative, written by a northern Israelite, Abraham kills Isaac, and his heir is his son by Hagar (who in this version is not named), making Abraham the father of the tribes living in the very south of Palestine & the Sinai peninsula. Jacob, who is not related to Abraham at all, is the father of the northern tribes of Israel. Well it's interesting you say this. According to Richard Elliot Friedman, Genesis 22: 1-10 and 16- 19 was written by the E source with Genesis 22: 11-15 written by a redactor. From Genesis 22: 9-17: If you read just the E verses then you read a story that implies that Abraham went thru with the sacrifice with the giveaways being: for the rest of the E source in the Torah, Isaac is never mentioned again; from the start of Genesis 22, God is only mentioned and then suddenly an angel of YHWH appears to do God's bidding; the angel again calls to Abraham which implies this second call was added to relate the statement beginning in verse 16 to the angel rather than God. |
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