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Post by msdemos on Sept 9, 2017 6:12:44 GMT
Who was more important to the Beatles ?? SAVE FERRIS
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Post by Wesley Crusher on Sept 9, 2017 8:04:06 GMT
This question is like asking which side of your brain is more important to you ... your left or right? Both Lennon & McCartney are crucial & equally important to The Beatles overall super-greatness. ... the other Beatles are like losing a finger
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 8:55:38 GMT
This question is like asking which side of your brain is more important to you ... your left or right? Both Lennon & McCartney are crucial & equally important to The Beatles overall super-greatness. This
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Post by tristramshandy on Sept 9, 2017 8:59:32 GMT
This question is like asking which side of your brain is more important to you ... your left or right? Both Lennon & McCartney are crucial & equally important to The Beatles overall super-greatness. ... the other Beatles are like losing a finger True. But if the question is "whose songs would you rather hear?", it's Lennon. In fact, give me the more serious of the two songwriters in every band each time.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 9, 2017 15:20:34 GMT
It would be John, since he DID start the band. The two were equally responsible for their success. And Brian Epstein is responsible for the mania.
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Post by movielover on Sept 9, 2017 15:24:41 GMT
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Post by marco26 on Sept 9, 2017 17:23:36 GMT
Who was more important to the Beatles ?? SAVE FERRISEasiest question on planet Earth. Even easier than Connery or Brosnan, Roth or Hagar, Angelina Jolie or Oprah. Folks on this thread are saying this is a tough one. Let me educate you. ONE:John Lennon - 98 songs written for Beatles Paul McCartney - 65 songs written for The Beatles OK, so numbers alone show that John was the more important member. (The Lennon/McCartney writing credit was inaccurate. The boys did write songs together, but only about eight times. The rest of the Lennon/McCartney songs were actually written by one or the other. You really think John had anything to do with "Blackbird" or Paul had anything to do with "Julia"?) John wrote 98 songs, Paul only 65. John wrote a full 33% more Beatle songs than Paul! That alone makes John the more important Beatle. TWO:It was John's band! He formed it. Without John Lennon there would be no Beatles. Uhh, don't you think that makes him more important than Paul? THREE:
At the most critical moment of the band's career (A HARD DAY'S NIGHT), John took over. Let me explain. 1963 Beatles were breaking big, however they were still a fledgling band and one of many beat groups. At this point they were afforded the opportunity to separate themselves forever from the rest of the pack (Herman's Hermits, Jerry and the Pacemakers, Dave Clark Five...) due to the fact that they were about to film a major motion picture. Now with this film about a day in the band's life they could have gone the way of The Spice Girls or they could have knocked it out of the park and become the biggest thing on Earth. Critical moment in the band's career. Strong songs in the new film will insure success and greatness. So what did the band do? They put it in the hands of John Lennon. Of the nine songs heard in the film A HARD DAY'S NIGHT, John was responsible for seven of them! (On the "Hard Day's Night" album of 13 songs, ten of them were John songs!) The group knew exactly who the most important Beatle was and at the most critical moment in their careers, they relied on John to do all the heavy lifting.
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Post by darknessfish on Sept 9, 2017 19:40:13 GMT
Lennon. On the basis that I basically can't stand anything Paul McCartney released.
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Post by heeeeey on Sept 9, 2017 22:02:01 GMT
I don't like him, but I'd have to say McCartney. He would've had a successful career, IMO, even if he hadn't hooked up with Lennon. I don't think Lennon would have.
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Post by cupcakes on Sept 9, 2017 22:34:29 GMT
tpfkar Frontloaded with John, equal a few albums in, with Paul edging in the back stretch as John's give-a-sh!t faded. Although most all of John's great probably depended on Paul's influence and vice-versa. I'm Happy Just to Dance with You
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Post by Dayodead on Sept 10, 2017 0:32:54 GMT
I prefer the "John" songs, but think they both needed each other to temper some of their more pedestrian impulses...I think Macca solo is terrible and John solo is unfocused..They needed one another to produce their best work...Too bad they didn't go on vacation for a few years, away from the band and figure this fact out...Might have stuck together a bit longer...
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Post by theshape25 on Sept 10, 2017 2:45:11 GMT
I prefer the "John" songs, but think they both needed each other to temper some of their more pedestrian impulses...I think Macca solo is terrible and John solo is unfocused..They needed one another to produce their best work...Too bad they didn't go on vacation for a few years, away from the band and figure this fact out...Might have stuck together a bit longer... I agree. I'm a John guy as I've always preferred his stuff, although Paul has written a lot of Beatles songs that I like. There are many songs of his that I despise though. Mostly the "granny shit" songs as John called them. Maxwell's Silver Hammer, Ob La Di Ob La Da, Honey Pie, and When I'm 64. I also agree that they were at their best when they had the competitive thing going on. Once they split their output wasn't quite as strong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 3:06:47 GMT
Just curious how you know how many songs each contributed when they're all credited to both?
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Post by marco26 on Sept 10, 2017 3:32:27 GMT
Just curious how you know how many songs each contributed when they're all credited to both? A few ways: 1. Singer was the writer. Easiest way to see who wrote which Lennon/McCartney song is just by listening to who sung it. 2. Read interviews with the boys. There are countless interviews where Lennon and McCartney discuss songs specifically (Lennon's 1980 Playboy interview is loaded with that stuff). In those interviews you get lines like this: "I wrote 'I Feel Fine' around that riff going on in the background, I told them I'd write a song specially for the riff." -- Lennon "I was thinking of it ("Yellow Submarine") as a song for Ringo, which it eventually turned out to be, so I wrote it as not too rangey in the vocal, then started making a story, sort of an ancient mariner, telling the young kids where he'd lived. It was my song." -- McCartney "I'd spent five hours that morning trying to write a song that was meaningful and good, and I finally gave up and lay down. Then 'Nowhere Man' came, words and music, the whole damn thing as I lay down" -- Lennon "That song was written by John after a night out" - McCartney If you have enough Beatle books around the house and you just listen to the music itself, you can accurately say who wrote which song. One day I was bored and simply counted up who wrote what.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 13:15:47 GMT
I have to agree with Wesley Crusher's comments but as solo artists I always preferred Paul's solo albums and albums with Wings than any of the other members.
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Post by Matthew the Swordsman on Sept 10, 2017 13:19:58 GMT
John Lennon is more important to the Beatles...but I prefer Paul McCartney.
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Post by marco26 on Sept 10, 2017 16:27:00 GMT
as solo artists I always preferred Paul's solo albums and albums with Wings than any of the other members. Yes. However, most critics and music fans agree that the greatest rock and roll album ever made is John's first solo album, "Plastic Ono Band." That album is actually better than any Beatle album and a million miles above any Paul solo album. Heck, even George released a solo album ("All Things Must Pass") that is miles above any of Paul's best solo albums. Having said that, on the whole Paul's solo work is far better than John's (or George's). John hit it out of the park once. Paul actually was consistently good for many solo albums. "Band On The Run" "Venus and Mars" "Wings At The Speed Of Sound" "Wings Over America" "Tug Of War" Those are all amazingly good albums.
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Post by cupcakes on Sept 11, 2017 16:21:34 GMT
tpfkar I have to agree with Wesley Crusher's comments but as solo artists I always preferred Paul's solo albums and albums with Wings than any of the other members. I think Paul's solo highs are higher than John's, although John's were generally more brutal and affecting, and Paul's ratio of good to mediocre dropped dramatically outside of the Beatles. I like a lot / love every single track he did with the Beatles, and maybe 10% love and another 10% like of his post-Beatles work. You Gave Me the Answer
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 22:58:01 GMT
I have to agree with Wesley Crusher's comments but as solo artists I always preferred Paul's solo albums and albums with Wings than any of the other members. Wings was OK, pretty forgettable considering I listened to all the albums just a few months ago and can't remember anything besides Band on the Run. I started out with Unfinished Music by Lennon. Managed to sit through the first one but not the second. I feel like it's a videogame where I need to complete the level before moving onto the next album.
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