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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 10, 2017 19:09:35 GMT
So now that Homecoming has begun to crush WW in route to somewhere around 900 mil, will Ragnorak be able to surpass that number as the highest grossing comic film of the year? It does have the long awaited returns of both Thor and Hulk along with some badass hype heading into it. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 10, 2017 19:32:47 GMT
I will never understand why anyone cares how much money a movie makes.
Some of my all time favorite films made next to nothing.
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Post by scabab on Sept 10, 2017 19:34:47 GMT
I wouldn't have thought so no.
The combination of Spider-man and Iron Man is a bigger draw than Thor and Hulk.
Spider-man is just a bigger brand than Thor too with The Amazing Spider-man 2 outgrossing Thor 2 around the same time.
Spider-man is also popular in Japan unlike pretty much all other superheros (except maybe Iron Man) so that's one market it'll lose out on.
It'll do well, probably better than the last one but Justice League is probably the only one that can be the #1 Superhero movie this year now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 20:09:58 GMT
I think it will. The trailer is in the top 3 most ever watched trailers. The movie is considered the most anticipated movie for the fall according to some researchers. And if its good ( and I habe no doubt it will be because of Taika Waititi) the word of mouth will carry it till SW TLJ. Justice League will be crushed in negative reviews. That movie has a bad vibe around it.
Thor will make SMH numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 0:33:59 GMT
I will never understand why anyone cares how much money a movie makes. Some of my all time favorite films made next to nothing. ^This!^ Once again the Ackbars are in total agreement! Money does not mean anything regarding a movie's worth. The Transformers franchise makes billions and those movies are crap. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 11, 2017 3:30:10 GMT
I will never understand why anyone cares how much money a movie makes. Some of my all time favorite films made next to nothing. ^This!^ Once again the Ackbars are in total agreement! Money does not mean anything regarding a movie's worth. The Transformers franchise makes billions and those movies are crap. Nobody said it did. Why do people have trouble understanding that it's just fun to follow?
I can't spend my favorite teams points either, and yet I still care about the score.
Do you understand?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 5:28:03 GMT
^This!^ Once again the Ackbars are in total agreement! Money does not mean anything regarding a movie's worth. The Transformers franchise makes billions and those movies are crap. Nobody said it did. Why do people have trouble understanding that it's just fun to follow?
I can't spend my favorite teams points either, and yet I still care about the score.
Do you understand?
Nope. Not at all. I don't see how its analogous to sports. Points in a sport lead to a team winning, which is the goal of every sport. Fans want their team to win. Fans of movies are supposed to want a good movie. The money it makes is only important if you're the one spending it. I get wanting your favorite movies to be successful, but tallying up their earnings and comparing it to other rival movies? I don't get it. Comparing the quality of movies is all that matters to me. |
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Post by mcufan on Sept 11, 2017 13:28:10 GMT
Nobody said it did. Why do people have trouble understanding that it's just fun to follow?
I can't spend my favorite teams points either, and yet I still care about the score.
Do you understand?
Nope. Not at all. I don't see how its analogous to sports. Points in a sport lead to a team winning, which is the goal of every sport. Fans want their team to win. Fans of movies are supposed to want a good movie. The money it makes is only important if you're the one spending it. I get wanting your favorite movies to be successful, but tallying up their earnings and comparing it to other rival movies? I don't get it. Comparing the quality of movies is all that matters to me. usually I would agree. But with Spider-Man homecoming, there is the point of the agreement that Sony made with marvel, so I'm following the box so I can see what to expect in the future. This is clearly a better outcome for Sony than tas ever was for two reasons. One it's more money, directly, so the extended partnership is lucrative, leaving us with the promise of more sm in the MCU. Two and more importantly, it flips the Spider-Man movies trend. It was downward now is upward again, so they can expect a boost from smh2 (or whatever) because of the partnership. So, this superficial, box office doesn't matter is quite interesting in SMH because it's unprecedented and I for one want to see how well it does so I know what to expect from the partnership. Also it might inspire other companies to do the same with marvel, mainly fox. The SMH box office has a lot riding on it so, in this case is far from irrelevant. At least to me. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 11, 2017 14:00:41 GMT
Nobody said it did. Why do people have trouble understanding that it's just fun to follow?
I can't spend my favorite teams points either, and yet I still care about the score.
Do you understand?
Nope. Not at all. I don't see how its analogous to sports. Points in a sport lead to a team winning, which is the goal of every sport. Fans want their team to win. Fans of movies are supposed to want a good movie. The money it makes is only important if you're the one spending it. I get wanting your favorite movies to be successful, but tallying up their earnings and comparing it to other rival movies? I don't get it. Comparing the quality of movies is all that matters to me. The money is a statistic, like points, and like points it's fun to follow, and yes one movie gets more than another. And it's still fun even though it does not necessarily reflect the quality of the film.
Often there is other meaning to it, such as how well the character is received vs other characters, and that is especially curious if the quality is noticeably different. Dredd for instance might have been a solid movie but wasn't well received, while Suicide Squad might have been a little messy but was well received, and those are interesting comparisons to make.
Comparing quality is a separate thing, I agree. Neither one of us is suggesting it's the same, so I'm not sure what you aren't getting about finding other aspects of it interesting.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 11, 2017 14:53:07 GMT
Seeing how It had huge opening weekend (a movie with the most watched trailer in 24 hours, mind you), and Thor being the 3rd most trailer in 24 hours, I think it has a shot. If an R-rated horror film can gross $117 million opening weekend, imagine what a PG-13 Thor movie can do.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 11, 2017 14:59:21 GMT
Seeing how It had huge opening weekend (a movie with the most watched trailer in 24 hours, mind you), and Thor being the 3rd most trailer in 24 hours, I think it has a shot. If an R-rated horror film can gross $117 million opening weekend, imagine what a PG-13 Thor movie can do. One thing I think Ragnorak has going for it, was before the start of the year, when even Dr Strange hadn't come out yet, it was Homecoming that was consistently the least anticipated film amongst Strange, Thor, Panther, and Guardians. Now Homecoming turned out to be a solid film, and presuming that Thor is as exciting as it seems to be, I wonder if that high anticipation will translate. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 11, 2017 15:00:37 GMT
I wouldn't have thought so no. The combination of Spider-man and Iron Man is a bigger draw than Thor and Hulk. Spider-man is just a bigger brand than Thor too with The Amazing Spider-man 2 outgrossing Thor 2 around the same time. Spider-man is also popular in Japan unlike pretty much all other superheros (except maybe Iron Man) so that's one market it'll lose out on. It'll do well, probably better than the last one but Justice League is probably the only one that can be the #1 Superhero movie this year now. That's true, but going back to the start of the year, it was consistently Homecoming that was the film people would say they were least interested in seeing out of Thor, Guardians, Spidey, and Panther. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 11, 2017 15:19:42 GMT
Seeing how It had huge opening weekend (a movie with the most watched trailer in 24 hours, mind you), and Thor being the 3rd most trailer in 24 hours, I think it has a shot. If an R-rated horror film can gross $117 million opening weekend, imagine what a PG-13 Thor movie can do. One thing I think Ragnorak has going for it, was before the start of the year, when even Dr Strange hadn't come out yet, it was Homecoming that was consistently the least anticipated film amongst Strange, Thor, Panther, and Guardians. Now Homecoming turned out to be a solid film, and presuming that Thor is an exciting as it seems to be, I wonder if that high anticipation will translate. That sounds about right too. Now Homecoming was probably the least anticipated because it was the 3rd time Spider-Man would be rebooted in 15 years. Plus Marvel Studios didn't have complete control over that film, Sony had complete control, but god bless Kevin Feige, he did it. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 11, 2017 16:11:51 GMT
One thing I think Ragnorak has going for it, was before the start of the year, when even Dr Strange hadn't come out yet, it was Homecoming that was consistently the least anticipated film amongst Strange, Thor, Panther, and Guardians. Now Homecoming turned out to be a solid film, and presuming that Thor is an exciting as it seems to be, I wonder if that high anticipation will translate. That sounds about right too. Now Homecoming was probably the least anticipated because it was the 3rd time Spider-Man would be rebooted in 15 years. Plus Marvel Studios didn't have complete control over that film, Sony had complete control, but god bless Kevin Feige, he did it. Oh absolutely, the 3rd reboot was a big factor, although it's funny, I didn't pay any attention to the Amazing series, so for me it was exciting to be getting the first Spidey since the original trilogy. Totally different feel. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 22:31:30 GMT
Nope. Not at all. I don't see how its analogous to sports. Points in a sport lead to a team winning, which is the goal of every sport. Fans want their team to win. Fans of movies are supposed to want a good movie. The money it makes is only important if you're the one spending it. I get wanting your favorite movies to be successful, but tallying up their earnings and comparing it to other rival movies? I don't get it. Comparing the quality of movies is all that matters to me. The money is a statistic, like points, and like points it's fun to follow, and yes one movie gets more than another. And it's still fun even though it does not necessarily reflect the quality of the film.
Often there is other meaning to it, such as how well the character is received vs other characters, and that is especially curious if the quality is noticeably different. Dredd for instance might have been a solid movie but wasn't well received, while Suicide Squad might have been a little messy but was well received, and those are interesting comparisons to make.
Comparing quality is a separate thing, I agree. Neither one of us is suggesting it's the same, so I'm not sure what you aren't getting about finding other aspects of it interesting.
That's fair enough. I just don't get those other threads like "WW crushes Civil War at the box office!" Or "Homecoming annihilates WW at box office". A lot of people seem to think that it proves one is better than the other. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 12, 2017 23:03:54 GMT
The money is a statistic, like points, and like points it's fun to follow, and yes one movie gets more than another. And it's still fun even though it does not necessarily reflect the quality of the film.
Often there is other meaning to it, such as how well the character is received vs other characters, and that is especially curious if the quality is noticeably different. Dredd for instance might have been a solid movie but wasn't well received, while Suicide Squad might have been a little messy but was well received, and those are interesting comparisons to make.
Comparing quality is a separate thing, I agree. Neither one of us is suggesting it's the same, so I'm not sure what you aren't getting about finding other aspects of it interesting.
That's fair enough. I just don't get those other threads like "WW crushes Civil War at the box office!" Or "Homecoming annihilates WW at box office". A lot of people seem to think that it proves one is better than the other. It's just spiking the football, although any claims that WW outdid the 1.1 billion Civil War are just silly. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 4:17:48 GMT
The money is a statistic, like points, and like points it's fun to follow, and yes one movie gets more than another. And it's still fun even though it does not necessarily reflect the quality of the film.
Often there is other meaning to it, such as how well the character is received vs other characters, and that is especially curious if the quality is noticeably different. Dredd for instance might have been a solid movie but wasn't well received, while Suicide Squad might have been a little messy but was well received, and those are interesting comparisons to make.
Comparing quality is a separate thing, I agree. Neither one of us is suggesting it's the same, so I'm not sure what you aren't getting about finding other aspects of it interesting.
That's fair enough. I just don't get those other threads like "WW crushes Civil War at the box office!" Or "Homecoming annihilates WW at box office". A lot of people seem to think that it proves one is better than the other. Its more the reaction to the Wonder Woman being the no.1 movie of the summer topics and the Wonder Woman made more money than Spider-man topics. Some fans sold the bear skin before they even shot the beast so now we are coming to get our money back. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 17:36:49 GMT
That's fair enough. I just don't get those other threads like "WW crushes Civil War at the box office!" Or "Homecoming annihilates WW at box office". A lot of people seem to think that it proves one is better than the other. Its more the reaction to the Wonder Woman being the no.1 movie of the summer topics and the Wonder Woman made more money than Spider-man topics. Some fans sold the bear skin before they even shot the beast so now we are coming to get our money back. That back and forth between DC fans and Marvel fans is getting so stale though, especially concerning something so meaningless as box office gross. It's funny because neither WW or Homecoming are really that good anyway. As far as I'm concerned theyre both passable entertaining popcorn movies. WW doesn't hold a candle to TDK and Homecoming doesn't hold a candle to Iron Man or The Winter Soldier. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 17:58:22 GMT
Its more the reaction to the Wonder Woman being the no.1 movie of the summer topics and the Wonder Woman made more money than Spider-man topics. Some fans sold the bear skin before they even shot the beast so now we are coming to get our money back. That back and forth between DC fans and Marvel fans is getting so stale though, especially concerning something so meaningless as box office gross. It's funny because neither WW or Homecoming are really that good anyway. As far as I'm concerned theyre both passable entertaining popcorn movies. WW doesn't hold a candle to TDK and Homecoming doesn't hold a candle to Iron Man or The Winter Soldier. Oh I actually agree. I loved SMH and thought WW was decent but both are not uo there with the best CBM's. And the ping pong match between Marvel and DC fans is rather childish. But than again I am glad I havent forgotten about my inner child. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 13, 2017 18:30:15 GMT
That back and forth between DC fans and Marvel fans is getting so stale though, especially concerning something so meaningless as box office gross. It's funny because neither WW or Homecoming are really that good anyway. As far as I'm concerned theyre both passable entertaining popcorn movies. WW doesn't hold a candle to TDK and Homecoming doesn't hold a candle to Iron Man or The Winter Soldier. Oh I actually agree. I loved SMH and thought WW was decent but both are not uo there with the best CBM's. And the ping pong match between Marvel and DC fans is rather childish. But than again I am glad I havent forgotten about my inner child. I would just say when you have films from rivals coming out at relatively the same time, I don't know how anybody wouldn't expect the box office to be compared and bragging rights to be established. It's just fun banter as far as I'm concerned, and not something to get overly concerned with. |
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