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Post by sostie on Sept 13, 2017 22:07:11 GMT
I think it made DC/Warners wake up more than anyone else. It took DC/Warners 15 years to make it's first female fronted CBM movie (Catwoman) and 28 years to make a movie about one of the most recognised and famous comic book characters ever. Marvel's roster of female characters is less well recognised but they did give one of their most famous female characters a film after only 7 years (Elektra). DC had a Supergirl movie 6 years after the modern era of CBMs began with Superman: The Movie. And MCU still hasn't had a female-led movie after 9 years and 17 movies. DC had no input or involvement with the Supergirl movie. It was a property bought by the Salkinds. I am talking about when DC had some say in the productions, which began for DC with Burton's Batman and Time Warners purchase of DC, and for Marvel, with Blade and the formation of their production company. But if you want me to edit my post to reflect that it took DC a longer more shameful length of time to give a movie to one of their most famous characters I'll be more than happy to.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 13, 2017 22:39:42 GMT
DC had a Supergirl movie 6 years after the modern era of CBMs began with Superman: The Movie. And MCU still hasn't had a female-led movie after 9 years and 17 movies. DC had no input or involvement with the Supergirl movie. It was a property bought by the Salkinds. I am talking about when DC had some say in the productions, which began for DC with Burton's Batman and Time Warners purchase of DC, and for Marvel, with Blade and the formation of their production company. But if you want me to edit my post to reflect that it took DC a longer more shameful length of time to give a movie to one of their most famous characters I'll be more than happy to. And less said about 'Supergirl', the better.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 13, 2017 23:38:06 GMT
MCU would rather wait and make a good female CBM than bomb the genre the way DC did....twice. DC already bombed the genre with Batman and Robin. Fixed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 12:42:04 GMT
Wonder Woman been a big success for sure and it is awesome. It currently holds the title of the 'Most Successful Female Lead Comic Book Movie of All Time' and with new movies of 'Batgirl', 'Painkiller Jane', 'Razor', 'Avegeleyne', 'Strike', 'Princeless', 'Silver & Black', Captain Marvel', 'Sheena: Queen of the Jungle', 'Fathom' (movie or TV show confirmed by Blake Northcott with Nina Dobrev and Victoria Justice frontrunners to play Aspen), 'Wonder Woman 2', 'The Pro', 'Gotham City Sirens' etc in development and Geoff Johns confirming plans to bring more big female superheroes to the DCEU it has already laid the groundwork for future female lead comic book movies and has finally changed the way a lot of studios see female lead comic books so 'Wonder Woman' has left a mark like no other movie this year and will be remembered for years to come for being the movie that made the studios wake up. Considering the (shamefully) small list that consists of, it is faint praise. It's basically as impressive as Lake Placid is the most successful killer alligator/crocodile movie ever. Or GOTG2 is the most successful talking mammal with a gun movie. It bugs me a little that it's success has to be reduced to sub and sub-sub genres to make out its impressive achievements are even more impressive. It was a very successful DC movie, a very successful CBM movie, and had a very healthy Box Office...and should be rightfully applauded for that. It could be applauded for being a successful female fronted action film full stop. Though, that really isn't a rarity. Reducing it's success to the context of sub sub genres (and territories) does hide it's shortcomings. If we take the Box Office for various countries it only was more popular than other CBMs in USA, Australia, Colombia, Brazil, Taiwan & Philippines. But 33 countries that have listed their annual BO figures have it below SMH, GOGT2 and/or Logan, and even Valerian, Ghost In The Shell and Lego Batman (and Doctor Strange in Japan!!). It's only in the Top 10 for the year in 14 of the 40 countries. It seems beyond the USA and the other few countries mentioned, it was just another CBM. Studios have been happy to invest in a francise that has performed less well domestically than it did overseas. Fingers crossed they are happy to do so when the reverse happens. I think it made DC/Warners wake up more than anyone else. It took DC/Warners 15 years to make it's first female fronted CBM movie (Catwoman) and 28 years to make a movie about one of the most recognised and famous comic book characters ever. Marvel's roster of female characters is less well recognised but they did give one of their most famous female characters a film after only 7 years (Elektra). They have populated their films with female characters but in teams...they have fewer known female characters left to put on screen, and certainly none as nearly as popular as DCs Wonder Woman or Catwoman. The films you mentioned in production should do well if they are good. Regardless if they are CBM films or not. Female fronted action films generally do well. There have been many successful CBM films with most of the public not knowing that they are CBM movies - Atomic Blonde, Men In Black, The Crow for example. Sometimes I think the CBM tag hinders a film, but then again they gotta sell those TPBs. On a side note..Modesty Blaise (1966) might have a shout at being one of the most successful female fronted CBM movie. Figures are only available for the US where it made more than double it's budget. Rest of the world figures aren't out there (or at least I can't find them) but the charater was pretty big in Europe at the time for sure.. Looking back that was all a bit rambly and I'm not sure I made the point I was intending. Oh well, I'll leave it. Yes. It is a shamefully small list. Although 'Annie' had a cult following, spawned multiple remakes and had a successful Broadway show and the ‘Blondie’ movie was so popular in 1938 it got given 27 sequels up to ‘Beware of Blondie’ in 1950. Did you know about them? I heard of 'Modesty Blaise' but am not sure about the rest of the figures either. I think they must have been the first successful live adaption of a female lead comic book. Then there is also ‘Wanted’ with Angelina Jolie and that was a Top Cow/Image Comics comic but most successful female lead comic book live adaptions have been on TV and not in movies. The ‘Wonder Woman’ TV show was very popular in the 70s and 80s which is why it was dumb for Warner Bros not to make a movie of it with Lynda Carter when she was saying in interviews at the time she wanted to play Wonder Woman again and a team up movie of ‘Superman/Wonder Woman’ with Christopher Reeve and Lynda Carter could have been far better than ‘Superman 3, 4’ and the horrible adaption of ‘Supergirl’ with Helen Slater and Faye Dunaway. I do believe if a ‘Wonder Woman’ movie had gone through in the 80s with Lynda Carter and it was a success we would have a lot more female lead comic book movies now.
‘Sabrina the Teenage Witch’ was very popular here. The show went for 7 seasons, had three TV films including one called ‘Sabrina Down Under’ which was filmed here and when Melissa Joan Hart came here she got a bigger reaction than a lot of Hollywood actresses got but a lot of people back then did not know that Sabrina was based on a comic book or it was a spinoff of Archie. Shows like ‘Supergirl’, ‘Witchblade’, ‘Jessica Jones’, ‘Wynnona Earp’, ‘Van Hesling (based on the Zenescope series) and the recently cancelled, ‘Dark Matter’ have had success too and ‘Witchblade’ currently holds the title for being the highest rated show in TV history to be cancelled after two seasons which was due to Yancy Butler’s alcohol and drug problems at the time. Then we had ‘Buffy’ which was extremely popular in the late and early 00s and even though it wasn’t based on a comic Buffy had a lot of similar powers to superheroes including super strength and accelerated healing.
Hollywood have been very slow with female lead comic book movies and female lead action movies in general and the ‘Wonder Woman’ TV show along with ‘Charlie’s Angels’, ‘Police Woman’, ‘Cagney and Lacy’ and ‘The Bionic Woman’ changed the way the networks viewed female lead Action shows in the 70s and 80s and since then we have had lots of female lead Action shows and some have been very successful but it wasn’t until recently things have changed in Hollywood and whenever a female lead Action movie come along and was popular it was seen as an exception to the belief that female lead Action movies didn’t work. Thanks to three poorly written movies ‘Wonder Woman’ is now the first movie to smash the glass ceiling and for us to get more female lead comic movies we need more to succeed ‘cause as the moment we are still on shaky ground and there’s sadly always a chance that if one movie flops the studios could go back to refusing to make female lead comic book movies.
There have been heaps of female lead comic book movies in development in the past 20 years alone and some had big names attached to them but they did not go through at the end ‘cause the studios weren’t willing to take a chance on female lead comic book films. If the upcoming movies mentioned above succeed we could FINALLY see a lot of the series that had movies in development before such as Witchblade, Red Sonja, Hack/Slash, Vampirella, Darkchylde etc on the big screen and by that time the studios will see them the same way they see female lead Action movies. You are right about Marvel with 'Elektra' even though I don't think it should have been made after Ben Affleck walked out of 'Daredevil' and called it the worst movie he had ever made and I think the first should have been Ms Marvel or Spider Woman. Sam Rami was planning on making a 'Spider Woman' movie back when he was making the 'Spider-Man' movie but Sony didn't give him enough time to make changes to the script for 'Spider-Man 4' which resulted in Sam leaving along with Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst. As a fan of the movies I was quite annoyed over that 'cause it was supposed to have 6 movies and Spider Woman and The Prowler spin offs. If Marvel wants to compete with DC with female lead movies going forward they should make 'Spider Woman.' Spider Woman is one of the few Marvel female superheroes everybody I know has heard of and is Marvel's second biggest selling female superhero of all time. My vote would be a 'Spider Woman/Jessica Drew' movie and a 'SpiderGwen' TV show.
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Post by dazz on Sept 15, 2017 13:20:33 GMT
Yeah once you left there wasn't much activity, the multiple joke accounts aside, hence why I joined here, far more activity, as for 2019 yeah Cap Marvel is meant for March or 2019, Silver & Black I think may be pushed back as Feb 2019 seems too soon for a CBM that hasn't even announced any casting yet, unless they have everything sorted out but are keeping things hush hush for now, I also think Sony or Fox will want to alter things as I dunno if you want multiple CBM's coming out just a week apart.
I think August would be a good place for WW2 because it gives August a major film which this year it didn't have, it also allows enough distance between this and the other DC films coming out that year, plus it's still in the summer so it can reap the rewards of kids no being in school still, plus it still gives them almost 2 years to make the film so they wouldn't need to rush much.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 8:02:37 GMT
Yeah once you left there wasn't much activity, the multiple joke accounts aside, hence why I joined here, far more activity, as for 2019 yeah Cap Marvel is meant for March or 2019, Silver & Black I think may be pushed back as Feb 2019 seems too soon for a CBM that hasn't even announced any casting yet, unless they have everything sorted out but are keeping things hush hush for now, I also think Sony or Fox will want to alter things as I dunno if you want multiple CBM's coming out just a week apart.
I think August would be a good place for WW2 because it gives August a major film which this year it didn't have, it also allows enough distance between this and the other DC films coming out that year, plus it's still in the summer so it can reap the rewards of kids no being in school still, plus it still gives them almost 2 years to make the film so they wouldn't need to rush much.
I don't look at it very often but the times I have it looks like a ghost town and very few people write on it now. I am not sure what happened to most of the other former members of the 'Arrow' board but I still talk to cdull, Milktrayguy and Brendon regularly on emails and Brendon said he has seen Geekybriggs, Josue, ShellySmiles and LACountess on Twitter and he still talks to lot of the former 'Supergirl' board members who are still fighting over Alex and Maggie's relationship all these months later. This is the most active of all the post IMDB Boards I have found and I was considering joining the IMDB Archive (now known as Movieboards.net) but it is full of trolls and the Admin said the Admin of the site lets really bad one run wild. I have been writing on Yahoo Answers but that has some really extreme members so I don't write there very often anymore and I joined themovie db org a few weeks ago but I have yet to write on there yet.
It was announced not long ago the lead actresses for 'Silver and Black' would be revealed before the end of the year and by the way the director has been talking I think it is possible they have been chosen and they are keeping it hush. With 'Venom' getting pushed back it is possible 'Silver and Black' will be pushed back too but some sites are saying it could become the first movie in Sony's Spiderverse if 'Venom' is pushed back again. There are going to be more movies in the Sony Spiderverse revealed soon. Sony said they have plans to use more female Spiderverse characters and a Spider Woman or SpiderGwen is very possible to be the next one announced. It hasn't been confirmed but it is believed the 'Sinister Six' and 'Kraven the Hunter' movies that were supposed to be in the same universe as 'The Amazing Spider-Man' will be part of the Sony Spiderverse too. Having the ‘Sinister Six’ in the Sony Spiderverse seems like a weird decision ‘cause unless Marvel and Sony are going to have the MCU and Sony Spiververse connect together the future Spider-Man films under the MCU won’t have the Sinister Six and the Sinister Six are some of Spider-Man’s biggest and most well-known villains so I am not sure what they will do going forward but perhaps they will use Miles Morales as Spider-Man which would mean we would have two Spider Man’s on screen at the same time and they could play out part of their original plan for ‘the Amazing Spider-Man 3’ facing the Sinister Six with Miles. I think it would be kinda funny having 2 Spider-Man on screen at the same time ‘cause it would really confuse some people and the DCEU are already set to do it with Batman if ‘Batman Beyond’ goes through.
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