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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 13, 2017 15:11:43 GMT
No, because he'd know that wouldn't destroy the Avengers. So you're saying that Zemo would get no satisfaction from making Tony Stark or Clint Barton know what it feels like to have their family and loved ones killed? You're saying that Zemo doesn't think it would destroy Tony Stark or Clint Barton knowing that their families or loved ones were killed as retribution for their actions? That wouldn't destroy the Avengers, that would just hurt some of the members. He wanted the whole team destroyed. He even said that stronger, better people than him had tried to do external attacks like you're suggesting and he knew offs were he'd fail if he tried that. Seriously, pay attention.
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Post by dazz on Sept 13, 2017 15:21:24 GMT
So you're saying that Zemo would get no satisfaction from making Tony Stark or Clint Barton know what it feels like to have their family and loved ones killed? You're saying that Zemo doesn't think it would destroy Tony Stark or Clint Barton knowing that their families or loved ones were killed as retribution for their actions? That wouldn't destroy the Avengers, that would just hurt some of the members. He wanted the whole team destroyed. He even said that stronger, better people than him had tried to do external attacks like you're suggesting and he knew offs were he'd fail if he tried that. Seriously, pay attention. Also keep in mind he wouldn't be able to coordinate all those attempts at everyone's loved ones all at once, several he wouldn't even have a chance to get to given his resources, but say he did take out Pepper then Happy that would alert the team to threats which would cause them to lockdown and protect the rest even tighter.
Also ignores the how would he know about Barton's family as clearly they weren't included in the shield data dump because they were still a secret in Ultron.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 13, 2017 15:30:09 GMT
That wouldn't destroy the Avengers, that would just hurt some of the members. He wanted the whole team destroyed. He even said that stronger, better people than him had tried to do external attacks like you're suggesting and he knew offs were he'd fail if he tried that. Seriously, pay attention. how would he know about Barton's family as clearly they weren't included in the shield data dump because they were still a secret in Ultron.
If Zemo took all that time to look into the HYDRA data, then why wouldn't he devote just as much time looking into the backgrounds of all the Avengers? Clint Barton has 2 children. That means they have birth certificates with Clint Barton listed as the father. So it wouldn't be hard for Zemo to find out that Barton has 2 children.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 13, 2017 15:31:44 GMT
That's why Civil War was such an awful movie.
Zemo: "The Avengers killed my family. Since I know all of their secret identities, I can easily get my revenge by killing all their families and loved ones. But I'm not going to do the logical thing. Instead, I'm going to come up with the dumbest and most convoluted scheme in comic-book history in which I find the only copy of a videotape from 25 years ago of Bucky killing the Starks on a remote road in the middle of nowhere, where a random camera just happened to record the murders and then instead of uploading the video to the Internet for the whole world to see that Bucky is a cold-blooded double-murderer, I'm going to wait for Cap, Bucky, and Iron Man to all show up a the same remote base in Siberia at the same time (which I know will happen because the script writers wrote that in the script) so they can all watch the videotape together." Going after their families wouldn't have done a damn thing, he wanted to destroy them from within. Giving them an external enemy would've done nothing. And he wasn't even sure until the very end that there was a tape to use, which was explained in the film. Honestly, stop asking to be spoonfed. Exactly! Killing one of the Avengers' loved one which just make a new enemy for them. The only way to break a team up is make themselves become enemies.
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Post by dazz on Sept 13, 2017 15:35:07 GMT
how would he know about Barton's family as clearly they weren't included in the shield data dump because they were still a secret in Ultron.
If Zemo took all that time to look into the HYDRA data, then why wouldn't he devote just as much time looking into the backgrounds of all the Avengers? Clint Barton has 2 children. That means they have birth certificates with Clint Barton listed as the father. So it wouldn't be hard for Zemo to find out that Barton has 2 children. If the farm and his family were hidden so Ultron couldn't find them how the hell could Zemo?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 13, 2017 15:52:40 GMT
DC-Fan continues to prove what a joke he is, man should be a comedian.
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Post by azzajones on Sept 14, 2017 7:37:31 GMT
I recall during the Defenders the Defenders put all their friends into protection at Misty's police station due to The Hand threatening them, this included Foggy & Karen - in that case I'm not sure what protection there was from Matt being Daredevil. If memory serves Clint stated Fury had help keep his Wife & children off the books, I take that as there was no official SHIELD record of them.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 14, 2017 11:22:02 GMT
I recall during the Defenders the Defenders put all their friends into protection at Misty's police station due to The Hand threatening them, this included Foggy & Karen - in that case I'm not sure what protection there was from Matt being Daredevil. If memory serves Clint stated Fury had help keep his Wife & children off the books, I take that as there was no official SHIELD record of them. That's simple. Because Foggy and Karen aren't going to stay in prison forever, and Matt doesn't want them being tracked down in their daily lives.
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Post by dazz on Sept 14, 2017 11:40:30 GMT
I recall during the Defenders the Defenders put all their friends into protection at Misty's police station due to The Hand threatening them, this included Foggy & Karen - in that case I'm not sure what protection there was from Matt being Daredevil. If memory serves Clint stated Fury had help keep his Wife & children off the books, I take that as there was no official SHIELD record of them. That's simple. Because Foggy and Karen aren't going to stay in prison forever, and Matt doesn't want them being tracked down in their daily lives. Also that's a rare case for Matt, he wears the mask to hide his identity to protect himself and those he cares about from danger when he isn't Daredevil, but in Defenders there are multiple reasons to not think they would be safe, The Hand may or may not know who he is, Matt cant be sure his identity is safe so he take precautions.
Also even if The Hand didn't know they do know who Jessica is and thanks to Foggy Matt is linked with her already, but even if not there are more than enough clues for The Hand to figure out who he is, they know his face, they know his abilities/limitations, they know about his connection to Stick & Elektra so figuring out who Daredevil is wouldn't be hard for them to figure out, anyone else though wouldn't know all these connections which does protect his loved ones from reprisal's in the overall scheme of things.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 14, 2017 16:13:30 GMT
That's simple. Because Foggy and Karen aren't going to stay in prison forever, and Matt doesn't want them being tracked down in their daily lives. Also that's a rare case for Matt, he wears the mask to hide his identity to protect himself and those he cares about from danger when he isn't Daredevil, but in Defenders there are multiple reasons to not think they would be safe, The Hand may or may not know who he is, Matt cant be sure his identity is safe so he take precautions.
Also even if The Hand didn't know they do know who Jessica is and thanks to Foggy Matt is linked with her already, but even if not there are more than enough clues for The Hand to figure out who he is, they know his face, they know his abilities/limitations, they know about his connection to Stick & Elektra so figuring out who Daredevil is wouldn't be hard for them to figure out, anyone else though wouldn't know all these connections which does protect his loved ones from reprisal's in the overall scheme of things.
Great point, Matt's a Lawyer, and his law career would be over if anybody knew he was Daredevil. Luke doesn't have to worry about that. Tony doesn't have to worry about that. Cap doesn't have to worry about that. Etc.
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Post by sostie on Sept 15, 2017 9:01:03 GMT
how would he know about Barton's family as clearly they weren't included in the shield data dump because they were still a secret in Ultron.
If Zemo took all that time to look into the HYDRA data, then why wouldn't he devote just as much time looking into the backgrounds of all the Avengers? Clint Barton has 2 children. That means they have birth certificates with Clint Barton listed as the father. So it wouldn't be hard for Zemo to find out that Barton has 2 children. Brilliant. You are back with your real life paperwork and bureaucracy concerns in CBMs. Maybe they are Magic Birth Certificates...you know...like the Magic Boat in Wonder Woman. I do hope Justice League shows us the team applying for the relevant flying permits, visas, gun liceneces etc. I for one will join you in the outrage if they don't
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 16, 2017 2:47:42 GMT
It's a smart move by Marvel. In this day and age where everyone has a cellphone camera and we have fingerprint scanners and facial recognition software, it's really going to be very hard to keep your identity secret... especially when all you use to cover your face is a flimsy mask or even *gasp* a pair of eyeglasses.
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Post by mcufan on Sept 16, 2017 12:24:47 GMT
Dc-fan is just mad SMH is destroying ww at the box office.
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