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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 14, 2017 7:13:40 GMT
An interesting discussion of the problems at the root of both Game Of Thrones (the TV show) and A Song Of Ice And Fire (the book series), based on comparison with the old genres of mythological epic and classical tragedy. It presents the hypothesis that the author (GRRM) is stuck in a sprawling story continuously expanding because he has nothing particular to go to, no important point to make when reaching the end and that the TV show is merely exploiting what can be, both being a consequence of trendy cynicism.
I am not certain that hypothesis will be verified, as I have long felt the author is weaving political statements in his work but we'll have to wait for the outcome to have better arguments on this.
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 14, 2017 8:47:26 GMT
There are no sharks in Dorne.
I haven't seen the video but it seems to be that it's misusing the term "jump the shark". The term refers to a moment in where the creators resort to a gimmick to hold viewer attention in a show that is already declining in terms of viewership. Which is not the case with Game of Thrones as it continues to be popular.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 14, 2017 9:12:29 GMT
There are no sharks in Dorne. I haven't seen the video but it seems to be that it's misusing the term "jump the shark". The term refers to a moment in where the creators resort to a gimmick to hold viewer attention in a show that is already declining in terms of viewership. Which is not the case with Game of Thrones as it continues to be popular. Wrong, " jumping the shark" refers to quality going down regardless of success. Look it up. GoT rode the dragon in S5E09, anyway. Past this very point, we started to see blatant flaws in the logic of the plot, like the contrived execution of Stannis or Davos going out of his way to pave the way for a resurrection he never knew he needed or was possible. The show had become "fake".
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 14, 2017 9:39:41 GMT
There are no sharks in Dorne. I haven't seen the video but it seems to be that it's misusing the term "jump the shark". The term refers to a moment in where the creators resort to a gimmick to hold viewer attention in a show that is already declining in terms of viewership. Which is not the case with Game of Thrones as it continues to be popular. Wrong, " jumping the shark" refers to quality going down regardless of success. Look it up. GoT rode the dragon in S5E09, anyway. Past this very point, we started to see blatant flaws in the logic of the plot, like the contrived execution of Stannis or Davos going out of his way to pave the way for a resurrection he never knew he needed or was possible. The show had become "fake". I don't see how anything you posted contradicts anything I've said. And why did GOT "rode the dragon in Ep. 9?" None of the events you describe were attempting to draw attention or create publicity. They were narrative choices just like any other. Hell the lowest point of the tv show for me remains the Sand Snakes fight Unbowed, Unbent and Unbroken. It wasn't Stannis burning his daughter or Dany riding a dragon like she was supposed to be. And if we are talking quality going downhill after that then it's contradicted by the fact that season 6 had a better reception than the previous season with the last two episodes receiving a considerate amount of praise.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 14, 2017 9:47:53 GMT
And if we are talking quality going downhill after that then it's contradicted by the fact that season 6 had a better reception than the previous season with the last two episodes receiving a considerate amount of praise. If you are equating quality and popularity, you can take your place in the idiot list.
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 14, 2017 10:17:59 GMT
And if we are talking quality going downhill after that then it's contradicted by the fact that season 6 had a better reception than the previous season with the last two episodes receiving a considerate amount of praise. If you are equating quality and popularity, you can take your place in the idiot list. Actually I was mentioning the critical reception and not popularity. But go ahead and tell me how do you quantify quality?
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 14, 2017 10:23:30 GMT
If you are equating quality and popularity, you can take your place in the idiot list. Actually I was mentioning the critical reception and not popularity. But go ahead and tell me how do you quantify quality? Contemporary critical reception of popular stuff is equivalent to popularity. Reviewers are in the business of being read and no one will make money of writing "GoT is bad" as long as the trend holds. It seems the trend has broken with S7E6, though. There was a surprisingly high amount of bad reviews. I do not quantify quality. The writing went to value "not worth it" when it stopped making sense. It's a binary scale.
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 14, 2017 10:38:39 GMT
Actually I was mentioning the critical reception and not popularity. But go ahead and tell me how do you quantify quality? Contemporary critical reception of popular stuff is equivalent to popularity. Reviewers are in the business of being read and no one will make money of writing "GoT is bad" as long as the trend holds. It seems the trend has broken with S7E6, though. There was a surprisingly high amount of bad reviews. I do not quantify quality. The writing went to value "not worth it" when it stopped making sense. It's a binary scale. True with 7E6 which I thought it was one of series worst episodes. That being said one terrible episode doesn't really qualify as jumping the shark. Particular the expression meant a gimmick to hold viewers attention. But I disagree with the idea that critical reception of popular stuff is equivalent to popularity. It doesn't work like that when you popular franchises getting bad reviews.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 14, 2017 10:52:03 GMT
But I disagree with the idea that critical reception of popular stuff is equivalent to popularity. Critical reception follows popularity. It always comes afterwards, the critics caste playing catch-up to get on the train once they find out they have to be on the side of the paying people. Once a craze has run its course, being the dissenting voice slowly becomes fashionable again and an obvious faux-pas like S7E6 can bring the dam to break but the root cause will be in the accumulated faults which had been kept under silence before. In our case, the whole Season 6 travesty is there to feed the change but it took things even the dumbest would see to "allow" it.
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 14, 2017 14:54:06 GMT
There are no sharks in Dorne. I haven't seen the video but it seems to be that it's misusing the term "jump the shark". The term refers to a moment in where the creators resort to a gimmick to hold viewer attention in a show that is already declining in terms of viewership. Which is not the case with Game of Thrones as it continues to be popular.βͺ Sunday, Monday, Happy Days. Tuesday, Wednesday, Happy Days. Thursday, Friday, Happy Days.... βͺ
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Sept 14, 2017 19:35:20 GMT
As long as they finish the show I will be happy ππ
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 15, 2017 10:12:02 GMT
I just trod on a video telling how bad GoT had become with Season 7 and found there are quite a few with similar titles in the associated list of recommendations. I haven't watched them because I don't trust people who are only finding out now to have much interesting to say. They shouldn't have had expectations in the first place. Still it is telling of the mood swing in the audience.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 11:09:55 GMT
I disagree
that is all
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Post by Troyal1 on Sept 23, 2017 4:04:58 GMT
I just trod on a video telling how bad GoT had become with Season 7 and found there are quite a few with similar titles in the associated list of recommendations. I haven't watched them because I don't trust people who are only finding out now to have much interesting to say. They shouldn't have had expectations in the first place. Still it is telling of the mood swing in the audience. Thanks for the collection:p
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Post by yougotastewgoinbaby on Sept 23, 2017 5:43:55 GMT
You want a good story but you need a bad poosi
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