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Post by spooner5020 on Sept 16, 2017 20:20:15 GMT
I'm usually pretty laissez-faire, but it's hard for me to imagine hanging out with Doug Walker and not wanting to kick his ass just because he's such a douchey dweeb. Maybe his real personality is nothing at all like his web shtick, but that's part of the problem--he should try not doing shtick. On the other hand, it worked--he has fans, but I can't for the life of me figure out how anyone would find his personality attractive, and I especially can't figure out how anyone would find him funny or entertaining. Hopefully it's not because folks identify with him. I heard from the people who work with him he's actually a pretty terrible person. Don't know how he got as far as he did by being the way he is.
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Post by spooner5020 on Sept 16, 2017 20:24:33 GMT
Couldn't it just be that these critics simply didn't like it? Heck, I'm not a big fan of very-well-reviewed The Dark Knight, and I'm a huge fan of the badly-reviewed Congo, and I think my opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. It's all opinion--no? No I agree about Dark Knight. The only thing saving that movie was Heath's joker. Also I'm sure it was because it's Nolan and they will give a good review for anything Nolan directed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 20:29:24 GMT
I mean i have watched most of the Nostalgia Critic reviews Why would you torture yourself like that? Because i am masochist
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 20:30:41 GMT
You really shouldn't pay any heed to what the Walker brothers say. I agree
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Post by spooner5020 on Sept 16, 2017 20:39:34 GMT
I mean i have watched most of the Nostalgia Critic reviews Why would you torture yourself like that? Would you believe at one time he actually used to be funny? After To Boldly Flee and when he started doing the Nostalgia Critic character again he decided to include people he worked with on Demo Reel to do suits in the zinc episodes. The skits range from tolerable to OMG MAKE IT STOP!!! Right now they are at the OMG MAKE IT STOP point. He seemed to have "jumped the shark". His cast mates aren't funny and neither is he anymore.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 16, 2017 20:41:13 GMT
Uhh...
To quote a friend from the Classics board, I may be pilloried for this statement, but I still find Doug Walker funny--and fair in his reviewing.
One of the better modern reviews (IMO, of course):
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Post by spooner5020 on Sept 16, 2017 20:46:46 GMT
Uhh... To quote a friend from the Classics board, I may be pilloried for this statement, but I still find Doug Walker funny--and fair in his reviewing. One of the better modern reviews (IMO, of course): He has his moments.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 20:46:56 GMT
Uhh... To quote a friend from the Classics board, I may be pilloried for this statement, but I still find Doug Walker funny--and fair in his reviewing. One of the better modern reviews (IMO, of course): Fair? He's never been fair in his reviewing. He'll either purposefully leave out details that make the film make more sense during his reviews just to make it look worse.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 16, 2017 20:54:20 GMT
Uhh... To quote a friend from the Classics board, I may be pilloried for this statement, but I still find Doug Walker funny--and fair in his reviewing. One of the better modern reviews (IMO, of course): Fair? He's never been fair in his reviewing. He'll either purposefully leave out details that make the film make more sense during his reviews just to make it look worse. I think we've talked about this subject, but everyone does this. If you read any critic's work--Pauline Kael, Andrew Sarris, Roger Ebert, anybody--you'll find subjective and intentional selection of details to choose and not to choose for the review. Walker simply does the same for videos. Remember that he's as much a comedian (even if you don't find him all that funny) as a critic, and the decision seems even more logical.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 16, 2017 20:55:03 GMT
Why would you torture yourself like that? Would you believe at one time he actually used to be funny? After To Boldly Flee and when he started doing the Nostalgia Critic character again he decided to include people he worked with on Demo Reel to do suits in the zinc episodes. The skits range from tolerable to OMG MAKE IT STOP!!! Right now they are at the OMG MAKE IT STOP point. He seemed to have "jumped the shark". His cast mates aren't funny and neither is he anymore. I certainly haven't seen a ton of his work, as I couldn't stand the little bit I looked at. But I've seen things people claimed was funny and I sure didn't agree. Not that I'd disagree with you, necessarily, but I'm skeptical that he would have done something that I'd think was funny. ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 21:03:12 GMT
Fair? He's never been fair in his reviewing. He'll either purposefully leave out details that make the film make more sense during his reviews just to make it look worse. I think we've talked about this subject, but everyone does this. If you read any critic's work--Pauline Kael, Andrew Sarris, Roger Ebert, anybody--you'll find subjective and intentional selection of details to choose and not to choose for the review. Walker simply does the same for videos. Remember that he's as much a comedian (even if you don't find him all that funny) as a critic, and the decision seems even more logical. If he can't be funny just using a film's ACTUAL flaws, then he's doing it wrong. The instant a critic starts making up flaws a film doesn't actually have, they've become liars. His review of Event Horizon had a fair share of transgressions, starting with insulting the entire cult fan base the film's grown around it by calling them "jocks briefly pretending to be into hardcore horror." He also referred to the crew of the Lewis&Clarke as "rocket scientists" when they're actually rescue team. Are real life Coast Guard ships all manned by ship designers? He also misrepresented said crew as idiots as they didn't know about the scientific breakthrough Weir invented, complaining about sudden character shifts while ignoring all foreshadowing up to that point, and so on. Then he skipped major plot points and genuinely missed moments worthy of criticism (The initial approach, the bizarre credits music, etc)! He then goes on to say the fandom is more interested in the film that could have been rather due to the one we got due to meddling executives, but that's fallacious as no one would care about what could have been if they didn't care about the movie actually made! The entire review comes off as pure filler, misrepresenting a film as being nonsensical in the extreme due to lies of omission and outright fabrication. Did he just need to fill a spot in his airing calendar? And if he's not going to pay proper attention to what he's reviewing, then he shouldn't bother.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 16, 2017 21:12:00 GMT
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Those don't seem like making things up, those seem like unintentional mistakes. I've not seen Event Horizon, or his review of it, but--from what you're describing--it's what I'd call "needless errors," in the sense that they're not necessary for the points he's making. They just seem like mistakes. And that's fine (not ideal, of course, but fine and forgivable), because--as I noted--everyone has made mistakes in reviews.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 21:18:53 GMT
@weirdraptor Those don't seem like making things up, those seem like unintentional mistakes. I've not seen Event Horizon, or his review of it, but--from what you're describing--it's what I'd call "needless errors," in the sense that they're not necessary for the points he's making. They just seem like mistakes. And that's fine (not ideal, of course, but fine and forgivable), because--as I noted--everyone has made mistakes in reviews. No. Just no. The film is pretty good at explaining itself. The only way for Doug to not get any of the things I mentioned is if he was blatantly not paying attention while watching it. And these mistakes exceed the acceptable amount for this kind of error. And its not fine, because it misrepresents the film to a whole bunch of potential new viewers who will not refuse to even give it a chance because of he said so.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 16, 2017 21:43:45 GMT
I can't stand the Nostalgia Critic. I like IT but I do dislike Spider-Man: Homecoming quite a bit. Cinderella is the only good live-action Disney remake so far, though I don't HATE The Jungle Book or Beauty and the Beast, I watched all of those movies wanting to like them but I am not just going to pretend I think they are good when I don't. In fact, I am pretty confused about the praise the movies above have received. I am not concerned with whether people think I have bad taste or not and in certain cases I think it's everyone else that has bad taste. Some people do just hate movies to hate but I am not one of those people. The more I learn about the NC the more I dislike him. It sounds like him and his brother are total douchebags. I wish that was just part of his character,but I don't know if I'm surprised. Like I said he seems to be a totalsnob and if the movie doesen't meet his expectations he automatically calls it bad. Again this is the same guy who thought the novel IT was bad. The movie wasn't made for him he should not have been reviewing it to begin with. Well if hey dislikes the novel it makes sense that he would dislike the movie. Nostalgia Critic is one of those people who just likes to hear himself talk.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 16, 2017 21:48:41 GMT
I can't stand the Nostalgia Critic. I don`t really mind him. But alot of the stuff he complains about when it comes to movies are just stupid or it has nothing to do with whether or not a movie is good or bad. It isn't even what he complains about (If people dislike movies for valid reasons or not, it's none of my business), I dislike him because he has one of the most annoying personalities I have ever seen and acts as if the world revolves around his opinions.
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Post by spooner5020 on Sept 16, 2017 21:54:09 GMT
I don`t really mind him. But alot of the stuff he complains about when it comes to movies are just stupid or it has nothing to do with whether or not a movie is good or bad. It isn't even what he complains about (If people dislike movies for valid reasons or not, it's none of my business), I dislike him because he has one of the most annoying personalities I have ever seen and acts as if the world revolves around his opinions. Thank you!!!! Also I never really thought about it till now,but he seems to scream in his reviews because he thinks screaming will make his opinion right somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 21:55:34 GMT
I don`t really mind him. But alot of the stuff he complains about when it comes to movies are just stupid or it has nothing to do with whether or not a movie is good or bad. It isn't even what he complains about (If people dislike movies for valid reasons or not, it's none of my business), I dislike him because he has one of the most annoying personalities I have ever seen and acts as if the world revolves around his opinions. I do agree that it seems that he thinks thatthe world revolves around his opinions.
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Post by darksidebeadle on Sept 16, 2017 22:23:51 GMT
I didn't like IT that much and it was I genuinely thought it had many bad to average parts
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Post by ALurker on Sept 17, 2017 1:39:02 GMT
Never been too fond with either Walker brothers or any of their Channel Awesome peanut galleries. But they really should stop treating their own opinions on movies like facts, and stop behaving like condescending douchebags around others that may not agree or view movies differently from them. Whether they're in characters or not. Sometimes it's real hard to tell.
Any remake or sequel lately seems to just face a fatigue. Some more justifiable than others. As for the Disney remake examples, I liked Cinderella and The Jungle Book enough. Beauty and the Beast wasn't too bad either, but certainly wasn't a necessary addition and could've gone better. Sometimes, negative or fanatical bandwagon over a movie seems to be more popular to generate than any legitimate or constructive critiques. Of course, not everyone is going to like a movie that is universally received or panned. I even rarely find myself questioning a few movies with overwhelmingly positive RT scores.
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Post by bonerxmas on Sept 17, 2017 1:42:13 GMT
critics have abandoned all standards and give positive reviews to derivative blockbusters, the great critics like pauline kael and dwight macdonald never even bothered to review such movies, so those tomato reviews are grossly inflated
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