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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Oct 29, 2020 0:11:28 GMT
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Oct 29, 2020 0:14:40 GMT
I can't add any more to the Saffers discussion, I agree 100% with what has been said so far. How these countries claim to be moving on yet continue to let politics and cretin decisions threaten the very fabric of what makes sport unite people - especially cricket.
It will be a dark dark day should we lose Saffers from the cricket sphere.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Oct 29, 2020 1:07:26 GMT
I'll try to find the Guardian article about cricket being a white priviledged sport (in spite of the fact that the overwhelming majority of players globally are from poor black nations) as it might be fun to read. I wonder how long before the Greens or similar niche left wing party mandates for quotas for Aboriginal players. You already had a senator (for a major party no less) stand up in Australian parliament and advocate for the end of 'gender segregation' in sports. Another problem with the South African government stepping in to help CSA, isn't that kind of like Eddie Obied stepping in to help a maladministered mining company? www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/white-privileged-sport-australian-cricket-confronts-race-issues-20201023-p56834.htmlHere’s an article about it, and direct quotes from a ‘young aboriginal activist’ Sadler was asked by Jones if she saw cricket as an "inclusive" sport, in the reference to Andrew Symonds and Monkeygate. "That's a really good question, I guess no," Sadler said. "Even reflecting on that situation as well and seeing the image of Symmo. I was only a young girl but that was only the person other than other teams internationally that was the only person of colour I would see in an Australian side.
"As a young person growing up in Australia, we're supposed to be so multicultural and multifaceted, why is there very few people of coloured faces that are playing the sport?
"Predominantly, it is a very white privileged sport as well, like white society sport. At the end of the day as well, when these situations happen it can't be just a situation and nobody is learning from that.Language like this is very dangerous. “White Society Sport” ? There is absolutely no way known that can be true other than via perception. Artificially changing merit based selection to highlight perceived “diversity” is lunacy. And then we have this : "You can't celebrate Australia Day and then attend a Black Lives Matter rally. There is a line in between and you have to choose and really understand and educate yourselves on these issues that are happening in Australia since colonisation and the genocide that has happened and continues to happen to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island people."Yes, I’d love to hear about how the systemic and institutional racism against African Americans by police in the United States (resulting in people being murdered) has anything to do with a “genocide that has happened and continues to happen” in Australia against Indigenous Australians, and what this has to do with the diversity of the Australian cricket team. Talk about broad strokes. That young activist never saw Australian teams with Jason Gillespie in them? Or maybe they're no aware Dizzy is Aboriginal...
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Post by weststigersbob on Oct 29, 2020 6:06:50 GMT
www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/white-privileged-sport-australian-cricket-confronts-race-issues-20201023-p56834.htmlHere’s an article about it, and direct quotes from a ‘young aboriginal activist’ Sadler was asked by Jones if she saw cricket as an "inclusive" sport, in the reference to Andrew Symonds and Monkeygate. "That's a really good question, I guess no," Sadler said. "Even reflecting on that situation as well and seeing the image of Symmo. I was only a young girl but that was only the person other than other teams internationally that was the only person of colour I would see in an Australian side.
"As a young person growing up in Australia, we're supposed to be so multicultural and multifaceted, why is there very few people of coloured faces that are playing the sport?
"Predominantly, it is a very white privileged sport as well, like white society sport. At the end of the day as well, when these situations happen it can't be just a situation and nobody is learning from that.Language like this is very dangerous. “White Society Sport” ? There is absolutely no way known that can be true other than via perception. Artificially changing merit based selection to highlight perceived “diversity” is lunacy. And then we have this : "You can't celebrate Australia Day and then attend a Black Lives Matter rally. There is a line in between and you have to choose and really understand and educate yourselves on these issues that are happening in Australia since colonisation and the genocide that has happened and continues to happen to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island people."Yes, I’d love to hear about how the systemic and institutional racism against African Americans by police in the United States (resulting in people being murdered) has anything to do with a “genocide that has happened and continues to happen” in Australia against Indigenous Australians, and what this has to do with the diversity of the Australian cricket team. Talk about broad strokes. That young activist never saw Australian teams with Jason Gillespie in them? Or maybe they're no aware Dizzy is Aboriginal... Doesn’t fit the narrative, so it is completely ignored. This is what I’ve never understood about this issue. Why is it so different for Cricket and AFL compared to Rugby League vis a vis Indigenous Australians ? Only ONCE in the last 30 or so years have I heard any sort of racism surrounding the selection of a team in Rugby League. Not surprisingly, it was the king of loud mouth BS Anthony Mundine, who claimed he didn’t get picked for NSW or Australia because he was Indigenous. Too bad the bloke in front of him, Laurie Daley, who Mundine famously said he was better than mind you, is also Indigenous. The ethnicity of a person for RL is more icing on the cake when celebrating our champions. Beetson, Meninga, Thurston - champions first, Indigenous second. All of the Pacific Island nationalities represented and respected. Lebanon. Greece. Italy. Malta. Look at Benny Elias and Mario Fenech - it was NEVER brought into it what ethnicity they were either. But for some reason, if you are different in AFL or in this instance Cricket, a big deal gets made of it. Until well into their careers, I had no idea Jason Gillespie nor Dan Christian were Indigenous. Why ? - they kept it quiet, and with good reason. Now, EVERY Single time they get mentioned, so does their heritage. Likewise Usman Khawaja. First Muslim to play for Australia. So ? Sydney Grade Cricket is probably has about 40-50 South Asian players, many who are Muslim. It’s completely normal, and no one bats an eye. The more it gets spoken about, the worse the racism seems to get. I just don’t understand it. Pick players on merit. If an Indigenous player makes it to the top echelon, celebrate it - don’t question why there aren’t more.....
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Post by weststigersbob on Oct 29, 2020 6:11:54 GMT
I can't add any more to the Saffers discussion, I agree 100% with what has been said so far. How these countries claim to be moving on yet continue to let politics and cretin decisions threaten the very fabric of what makes sport unite people - especially cricket. It will be a dark dark day should we lose Saffers from the cricket sphere. South Africa’s loss will be nations like Netherlands, Ireland, New Zealand and Englands gain. All their talented players will simply emigrate and represent other nations like they did for 20 years under Apartheid, and in some cases still do. Pietersen, Strauss, Watling, Wagner, Campher, ten Doeschate, Wessels and Labuschagne (slightly different though) - all South African born but played Internationally for other nations recently.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Oct 29, 2020 20:31:34 GMT
I can't add any more to the Saffers discussion, I agree 100% with what has been said so far. How these countries claim to be moving on yet continue to let politics and cretin decisions threaten the very fabric of what makes sport unite people - especially cricket. It will be a dark dark day should we lose Saffers from the cricket sphere. South Africa’s loss will be nations like Netherlands, Ireland, New Zealand and Englands gain. All their talented players will simply emigrate and represent other nations like they did for 20 years under Apartheid, and in some cases still do. Pietersen, Strauss, Watling, Wagner, Campher, ten Doeschate, Wessels and Labuschagne (slightly different though) - all South African born but played Internationally for other nations recently. That has me licking my lips at the thought of Archer and Rabada opening the bowling for England! You forgot Trott, BTW
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 30, 2020 3:09:58 GMT
I can't add any more to the Saffers discussion, I agree 100% with what has been said so far. How these countries claim to be moving on yet continue to let politics and cretin decisions threaten the very fabric of what makes sport unite people - especially cricket. It will be a dark dark day should we lose Saffers from the cricket sphere. Here is the problem - Until 10 years back if you asked any decent person if sports should mix with politics they would say not at any cost. People used to see sports for the sake of watching sports. Now the problem is that people think we are living in an age of crisis and that the political injustices are so big that their cause triumphs over sports. People who don't even actually love sports will identify as a sports fan and spread their political cause. I was shocked to see NBA this summer. It seemed as if the people who run NBA are organizers of BLM movement. One must remember that BLM is a movement aided and supported by a very corrupt political party of the US. Just because the other political party is even more corrupt doesn't take away the fact that Democrats by themselves are very corrupt and would even tactility approve of riots. As for political appeasement of minority - I am sick and tired if it. While it's okay to help poor people it is not okay to discriminate against majority because of past injustices. But some people find it okay to discriminate against majority just because some bad thing happened to minorities in the past. And even that may only be true of the US. Most of the minorities of a country like UK didn't even lived in the UK during the time of alleged discrimination. Their families perhaps migrated to the UK recently. Or for that matter Asians who live in Australia. They have not been discriminated in anyway. Yet, it is agenda of some idiots to make it seem as if all minorities have been hurt or discriminated. With the exception of aboriginals, no minorities in Australia have been systematically discriminated. Of course, if you asked someone from far left they will tell you a different story. How the brown people and Muslims are apparently getting discriminated every day in countries like the UK and Australia. South Africa has crossed all limits of stupidity though. Cricket will just die their eventually. or they will be reduced being minnows.
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Post by Aj_June on Oct 31, 2020 18:03:59 GMT
Any chance one of these players will play for Australia in the near future?
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Oct 31, 2020 18:55:40 GMT
Harris already has, albeit briefly and without distinction (9 tests 385 runs at 24). Pucovski was named in the squad for a series against Sri Lanka but didn't play. Given that no one's grasping the #2 opening spot and Warner is 34, there's every chance one or both of them will get their chance soon. Pucovski in particular at just 22 will almost certainly get a call up. Harris is 28 but if keeps scoring shield doubles will find himself back in consideration.
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 1, 2020 9:40:11 GMT
Harris already has, albeit briefly and without distinction (9 tests 385 runs at 24). Pucovski was named in the squad for a series against Sri Lanka but didn't play. Given that no one's grasping the #2 opening spot and Warner is 34, there's every chance one or both of them will get their chance soon. Pucovski in particular at just 22 will almost certainly get a call up. Harris is 28 but if keeps scoring shield doubles will find himself back in consideration. Pucovski sounds like someone from eastern European heritage. I would love o see the guy just for sake of seeing someone from non-Brit European background in cricket. There was a Greek origin player too in Australia a while back.
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 1, 2020 9:50:01 GMT
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Nov 1, 2020 11:18:37 GMT
That young activist never saw Australian teams with Jason Gillespie in them? Or maybe they're no aware Dizzy is Aboriginal... Doesn’t fit the narrative, so it is completely ignored. This is what I’ve never understood about this issue. Why is it so different for Cricket and AFL compared to Rugby League vis a vis Indigenous Australians ? Only ONCE in the last 30 or so years have I heard any sort of racism surrounding the selection of a team in Rugby League. Not surprisingly, it was the king of loud mouth BS Anthony Mundine, who claimed he didn’t get picked for NSW or Australia because he was Indigenous. Too bad the bloke in front of him, Laurie Daley, who Mundine famously said he was better than mind you, is also Indigenous. The ethnicity of a person for RL is more icing on the cake when celebrating our champions. Beetson, Meninga, Thurston - champions first, Indigenous second. All of the Pacific Island nationalities represented and respected. Lebanon. Greece. Italy. Malta. Look at Benny Elias and Mario Fenech - it was NEVER brought into it what ethnicity they were either. But for some reason, if you are different in AFL or in this instance Cricket, a big deal gets made of it. Until well into their careers, I had no idea Jason Gillespie nor Dan Christian were Indigenous. Why ? - they kept it quiet, and with good reason. Now, EVERY Single time they get mentioned, so does their heritage. Likewise Usman Khawaja. First Muslim to play for Australia. So ? Sydney Grade Cricket is probably has about 40-50 South Asian players, many who are Muslim. It’s completely normal, and no one bats an eye. The more it gets spoken about, the worse the racism seems to get. I just don’t understand it. Pick players on merit. If an Indigenous player makes it to the top echelon, celebrate it - don’t question why there aren’t more..... I just don’t understand it. Pick players on merit. If an Indigenous player makes it to the top echelon, celebrate it - don’t question why there aren’t more.....
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Post by Carl LaFong on Nov 1, 2020 21:28:33 GMT
2,999th reply = 3,000th post on thread!
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Post by Aj_June on Nov 2, 2020 9:38:46 GMT
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Nov 2, 2020 19:14:39 GMT
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Post by weststigersbob on Nov 3, 2020 4:37:37 GMT
Zimbabwe have always been able to produce decent batsmen - Houghton, Flower, Goodwin, Campbell, Hick and recently Taylor, Ervine and Williams. But with the ball, it’s a very very bare cupboard.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Nov 3, 2020 19:01:54 GMT
Zimbabwe have always been able to produce decent batsmen - Houghton, Flower, Goodwin, Campbell, Hick and recently Taylor, Ervine and Williams. But with the ball, it’s a very very bare cupboard. Gotta say I really like the look of Williams. Yep, agree about the bowlers, they produce a great one like Streak once in a while, but the like are thin on the ground - sadly.
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Nov 3, 2020 19:06:05 GMT
South Africa v England: Ben Stokes named in Twenty20 squad for white-ball tour - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/54795089My boy Olly Stone in the 50 over squad, now come on Olly, stay fit!!!!!!!
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Nov 3, 2020 19:09:28 GMT
3 NOV 2020 ONE DAY INTERNATIONAL SERIES Pakistan - First innings 278 - for 9 wickets Second innings 2 - for 2 wickets Zimbabwe - First innings 278 - for 6 wickets Second innings 5 - for 0 wickets Match Tied (Zimbabwe win the one-over eliminator) SUPER OVER VICTORY FOR ZIMBERS.www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO49288
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Nov 3, 2020 19:10:27 GMT
Zimbabwe have always been able to produce decent batsmen - Houghton, Flower, Goodwin, Campbell, Hick and recently Taylor, Ervine and Williams. But with the ball, it’s a very very bare cupboard. Heath Streak is their only bowler with 50 or more test wickets who averaged under 30. If you extend the sample to 20 or more wickets, you'll find only 4 other bowlers with sub 30 averages. Graeme Crener came close, taking 119 wickets at 30.22, Tendai Chatara has 95 wickets at 30.57, and the reliable leg spinning all rounder Paul Strang had 96 wickets at 33.
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