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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 17, 2017 0:16:53 GMT
www.cinemablend.com/news/1703630/how-dc-movies-are-different-from-marvel-movies-according-to-the-nightwing-directorMcKay recently spoke about the difference between Marvel and DC's competing universes, and why the latter is a better place to work. He said, " Warner Bros is a more director-driven studio. Period. The end. More than any other studio you're ever going to work at. Just look at the roster of world class filmmakers that have worked at Warner Bros and made it their home. Warner Bros is a director-driven studio, and that's exactly how they are operating these movies." the DCEU allows its directors to have more creative control over their projects. Chris McKay cited Patty Jenkins' Wonder Woman as the prime example for his point. The acclaimed Monster director was able to craft a standalone film for Diana Prince that is independent of the larger DC Extended Universe. Barring a few references to Bruce Wayne, the film was able to function completely separately from Zack Snyder's previous films. Chris McKay praise this practice " That's the kind of filmmaking you are going to see, and have seen with Patty Jenkins on Wonder Woman. That's what they have done and what they will continue to do, and that's why these movies are not trying to follow the Marvel model, they're trying to do their own thing with filmmakers that they like, and produce things that are wholly original and wholly unique."
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Post by sdrew13163 on Sept 17, 2017 0:32:06 GMT
He is of course being paid by WB.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 17, 2017 1:10:54 GMT
And he's saying he appreciates how DC doesn't care enough about their characters that they let any random director come in and twist them from the source material while Marvel cares and doesn't let Directors go crazy with their product.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 1:38:31 GMT
That's cute. Marvel still makes better movies.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 17, 2017 1:49:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 4:14:29 GMT
Well letting the director be in control completely turned out great for the DCEU. Its 100% crap.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 17, 2017 5:27:20 GMT
Watch how McKay's Nightwing movie will continue to be "in development" for the next couple of years as WB still tries to figure out the right game plan for their DC Universe on film. I wouldn't be too shocked if McKay ends up leaving in the end, considering Nightwing was definitely not presented as an upcoming title at SDCC and the character is going to be the lead on their Titans TV series it'll be quite a while till anything happens, and he'll get bored, then "creative differences" will happen.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 17, 2017 7:13:06 GMT
that is only common sense and is reflected empirically. There are two important value propositions that may be derived from that:
1. Marvel Studios may never, NEVER get their hands on X-Men franchise or they would utterly ruin it by turning it into formulaic fodder for children. It would posthumously desecrate Logan's memory.
2. This explains the highs and lows we get from DC films vis-a-vis the formulaic mediocracy of MCU: With artistic vision a la The Dark Knight, Wonder Woman or Snyder's Watchmen. Or, on the other (low) end, studio interfered/manipulated dreck like Suicide Squad that looks and sounds like an MCU raccoon turd with sensitive nipples.
Masterworks you get through individual genius and vision, never by Exco decision scoping the the derelictions of the average 12 year old. Lack of artistic merit is why after 16+ films MCU never got in the vicinity an Oscar (lol) and unlike Fox-Men/DC is not even represented in the popular IMDb 250.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 17, 2017 9:48:42 GMT
that is only common sense and is reflected empirically. There are two important value propositions that may be derived from that: 1. Marvel Studios may never, NEVER get their hands on X-Men franchise or they would utterly ruin it by turning it into formulaic fodder for children. It would posthumously desecrate Logan's memory. 2. This explains the highs and lows we get from DC films vis-a-vis the formulaic mediocracy of MCU: With artistic vision a la The Dark Knight, Wonder Woman or Snyder's Watchmen. Or, on the other (low) end, studio interfered/manipulated dreck like Suicide Squad that looks and sounds like an MCU raccoon turd with sensitive nipples. Masterworks you get through individual genius and vision, never by Exco decision scoping the the derelictions of the average 12 year old. Lack of artistic merit is why after 16+ films MCU never got in the vicinity an Oscar (lol) and unlike Fox-Men/DC is not even represented in the popular IMDb 250. Yeah, because 'X-Men' films won a lot of Oscars - oh, wait! |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 17, 2017 9:57:14 GMT
that is only common sense and is reflected empirically. There are two important value propositions that may be derived from that: 1. Marvel Studios may never, NEVER get their hands on X-Men franchise or they would utterly ruin it by turning it into formulaic fodder for children. It would posthumously desecrate Logan's memory. 2. This explains the highs and lows we get from DC films vis-a-vis the formulaic mediocracy of MCU: With artistic vision a la The Dark Knight, Wonder Woman or Snyder's Watchmen. Or, on the other (low) end, studio interfered/manipulated dreck like Suicide Squad that looks and sounds like an MCU raccoon turd with sensitive nipples. Masterworks you get through individual genius and vision, never by Exco decision scoping the the derelictions of the average 12 year old. Lack of artistic merit is why after 16+ films MCU never got in the vicinity an Oscar (lol) and unlike Fox-Men/DC is not even represented in the popular IMDb 250. Yeah, because 'X-Men' films won a lot of Oscars - oh, wait!agreed, I very much look forward whether Logan will get a nod. It very much has deserved it. Here's looking at you, Logan  |
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 17, 2017 11:01:57 GMT
that is only common sense and is reflected empirically. There are two important value propositions that may be derived from that: 1) MCU would make X-Movies that embrace the wondrous and ditch that bankrupt "grounded" aesthetic. A good thing. 2) DC's biggest successes came from movies that had artificial boosters (Dark Knight, Wonder Woman) and the films aren't good enough on their own. They need directors who aren't control freaks and can play ball. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Sept 17, 2017 15:08:09 GMT
Watch how McKay's Nightwing movie will continue to be "in development" for the next couple of years as WB still tries to figure out the right game plan for their DC Universe on film. I wouldn't be too shocked if McKay ends up leaving in the end, considering Nightwing was definitely not presented as an upcoming title at SDCC and the character is going to be the lead on their Titans TV series it'll be quite a while till anything happens, and he'll get bored, then "creative differences" will happen. So sad, but so true. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 17, 2017 16:01:28 GMT
He is of course being paid by WB. Well, Patty Jenkins and Josh Whedon have worked for both studios and they probably agree with Chris McKay. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 17, 2017 16:04:32 GMT
He is of course being paid by WB. Well, Patty Jenkins and Josh Whedon have worked for both studios and they probably agree with Chris McKay. And your evidence is for Whedon...? |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 17, 2017 19:17:57 GMT
that is only common sense and is reflected empirically. There are two important value propositions that may be derived from that: 1. Marvel Studios may never, NEVER get their hands on X-Men franchise or they would utterly ruin it by turning it into formulaic fodder for children. It would posthumously desecrate Logan's memory. 2. This explains the highs and lows we get from DC films vis-a-vis the formulaic mediocracy of MCU: With artistic vision a la The Dark Knight, Wonder Woman or Snyder's Watchmen. Or, on the other (low) end, studio interfered/manipulated dreck like Suicide Squad that looks and sounds like an MCU raccoon turd with sensitive nipples. Masterworks you get through individual genius and vision, never by Exco decision scoping the the derelictions of the average 12 year old. Lack of artistic merit is why after 16+ films MCU never got in the vicinity an Oscar (lol) and unlike Fox-Men/DC is not even represented in the popular IMDb 250. 1. I think Fox has ruined plenty of X-Men characters; Barakapool, Rogue, Cyclops, and Dark Phoenix just to name a few. 2. So wait, no only do you want high quality, but you want low quality too? What kind of sense does that make? You want studios to continue to make pieces of shit like X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Suicide Squad rather than a studio run by people who loves their characters and want to see them portrayed correctly on the silver screen? |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 17, 2017 20:01:41 GMT
that is only common sense and is reflected empirically. There are two important value propositions that may be derived from that: 1. Marvel Studios may never, NEVER get their hands on X-Men franchise or they would utterly ruin it by turning it into formulaic fodder for children. It would posthumously desecrate Logan's memory. 2. This explains the highs and lows we get from DC films vis-a-vis the formulaic mediocracy of MCU: With artistic vision a la The Dark Knight, Wonder Woman or Snyder's Watchmen. Or, on the other (low) end, studio interfered/manipulated dreck like Suicide Squad that looks and sounds like an MCU raccoon turd with sensitive nipples. Masterworks you get through individual genius and vision, never by Exco decision scoping the the derelictions of the average 12 year old. Lack of artistic merit is why after 16+ films MCU never got in the vicinity an Oscar (lol) and unlike Fox-Men/DC is not even represented in the popular IMDb 250. 1. I think Fox has ruined plenty of X-Men characters; Barakapool, Rogue, Cyclops, and Dark Phoenix just to name a few. 2. So wait, no only do you want high quality, but you want low quality too? What kind of sense does that make? You want studios to continue to make pieces of shit like X-Men Origins: Wolverine and Suicide Squad rather than a studio run by people who loves their characters and want to see them portrayed correctly on the silver screen? 1. That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. 2. It's not hard to get: I take the bad with the good over just getting the mediocre: I take one brilliant Logan and accept one lousy Wolverine Origin (so bad its good) over two mediocre The Wolverine movies. I prefer getting one brilliant Mozart over a dozen mediocre Salieris. One priceless Picasso over a million worthless Mickey Mouse comic books. But that's just me. |
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Post by chatterer on Sept 23, 2017 16:34:19 GMT
Masterworks you get through individual genius and vision, never by Exco decision scoping the the derelictions of the average 12 year old. Lack of artistic merit is why after 16+ films MCU never got in the vicinity an Oscar (lol) and unlike Fox-Men/DC is not even represented in the popular IMDb 250. Took them 12 movies and looking over at DCEU BVS to switch from their traditional structure and make Civil War. Lack of artistic merit indeed. |
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