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Post by politicidal on Sept 18, 2017 1:53:45 GMT
Nice... TEXT: A big part of what made Jon Bernthal’s performance as the Punisher work in Daredevil’s second season was that he acted as a dark, twisted foil for the series’ titular hero. But what happens to an antihero like Frank Castle when you take away the more morally sound characters that surround him? Though he was only a supporting character in Daredevil, much of the Punisher’s tragic origins were set up and explained over the course of the season. Seeking vengeance for his wife and children, who were murdered in a gunfight between three gangs, Frank begins to pick off those associated with the crime, one by one, with his arsenal of high-caliber guns. The Punisher’s ultra-violent brand of justice catches Daredevil’s attention and the two of fall into a game of cat and mouse that repeatedly brings them together and forces them explore the way that trauma has shaped their outlooks on the world. When Netflix’s Punisher series premieres this fall, Frank Castle will finally have his shot at top billing—but in a new interview with Entertainment Weekly, Bernthal made clear that his will be a drastically different kind of hero story than any other that Netflix and Marvel have told. Rather than merely trying to cast Frank Castle as tortured antihero, Bernthal said, Punisher lays bare the fact that the Punisher doesn’t really have much to live for in the wake of his family’s murder. As Punisher opens, Frank’s learning that the revenge he thought he’d gotten in Daredevil wasn’t enough to give his life a larger purpose. Said Bernthal: This season is much darker as it goes, it gets darker and darker and more visceral. The show takes you on this journey of Frank becoming more and more human again and then shutting off and shutting off and going back to what works for him, and the place where he kind of belongs, and I think that’s a place of solitude and of darkness and destruction. It’s going to get into as dark and as brutal a place as you’ve ever seen in the Marvel world, I can promise you that.Bernthal also stressed the care and attention to detail he took in preparation for the role, stating that he wanted to be respectful of the military community who, like Frank, may be dealing with the long-term mental consequences of war. It will be interesting to watch the Punisher unravel even further if, as Bernthal suggests, the character is more or less left with no hope of ever coming back from the brink of mental collapse. Perhaps we might finally get to see an antihero in a dark, complicated space that makes them truly difficult to cheer for. io9.gizmodo.com/netflixs-punisher-series-will-be-the-most-dark-and-brut-1815718452
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Post by sdrew13163 on Sept 18, 2017 4:06:54 GMT
I'm in. It looks good.
Plus, Bernthal has become one of my favorite actors working today.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 18, 2017 4:30:05 GMT
It's funny that Tyler Bates is composing scores for 2 different Marvel properties that are at the opposite end of tonal spectrum - 'The Punisher' and 'Guardians of the Galaxy'.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 18, 2017 4:48:09 GMT
I love it. It sounds like they really get into the character. I love the idea of him trying to get away from the brutal life he's engaged in but it's just not who he is. That sounds deep.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 18, 2017 12:02:44 GMT
I love it. It sounds like they really get into the character. I love the idea of him trying to get away from the brutal life he's engaged in but it's just not who he is. That sounds deep.quite the opposite! It's the cliche old "jerk goes through crisis thereby becoming good guy superhero" arc again that we saw with Irion Man (several times), Antman, Thor, Dr Strange etc.
One must be very shallow to find that deep.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 18, 2017 12:11:04 GMT
Anybody hear anything? Sounds like some muffling through a wall?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 18, 2017 12:29:32 GMT
I hear something, sounds like a crying little eloi hiding in Archy's pants.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 18, 2017 12:40:49 GMT
It's weird, I don't see any new posts, but I can see somebody posted. It's like a faint echo of not giving a shit.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 18, 2017 13:02:28 GMT
nothing weird about it, Archy, it's just little eloi in your pants begging that you let him out to finish all the DC zealots and crush the DCEU for good. Like you, I always hear little eloi squealing when you are here - when you are gone, he is gone, when you ignore he ignores me too. You are one.
You should finally accept him as natural part of yourself. And, instead of publicly exhibiting him to us, you should maybe sometimes show him to your wife..? Just saying dude...
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Post by miike80 on Sept 18, 2017 13:04:33 GMT
i kinda wish we had a big screen, rated R Punisher with John Bernthal. I would certainly be more interested in that instead of Thor 3 or Antman 2
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 18, 2017 14:23:22 GMT
i kinda wish we had a big screen, rated R Punisher with John Bernthal. I would certainly be more interested in that instead of Thor 3 or Antman 2 I'd be down for all of them, no need to choose.
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Post by miike80 on Sept 18, 2017 15:06:28 GMT
i kinda wish we had a big screen, rated R Punisher with John Bernthal. I would certainly be more interested in that instead of Thor 3 or Antman 2 I'd be down for all of them, no need to choose. I guess at least at home I'll see Thor,no reason not to. Another story with Antman
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 18, 2017 17:56:38 GMT
Good. I don't want a pussy version like Thomas Jane movie (granted I did like him as Frank), I want The Punisher to be something of a Horror architect, someone who criminals are scared to even whisper his name. Also I want him to brutally kill criminals like in the MAX series.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 18, 2017 18:05:14 GMT
quite the opposite! It's the cliche old "jerk goes through crisis thereby becoming good guy superhero" arc again that we saw with Irion Man (several times), Antman, Thor, Dr Strange etc.
One must be very shallow to find that deep.
You mean like Batman did in BvS. The thing is, the Punisher never went thru that and never will. He's an anti-hero and always will be. He's not going to all of a sudden stop killing. But the mainstream Batman we all know generally didn't kill and hardly caused any collateral either. It was totally out of character to see Batman kill in BvS and then all of a sudden stop because Superman somehow inspired him.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 18, 2017 19:07:54 GMT
quite the opposite! It's the cliche old "jerk goes through crisis thereby becoming good guy superhero" arc again that we saw with Irion Man (several times), Antman, Thor, Dr Strange etc.
One must be very shallow to find that deep.
You mean like Batman did in BvS. The thing is, the Punisher never went thru that and never will. He's an anti-hero and always will be. He's not going to all of a sudden stop killing. But the mainstream Batman we all know generally didn't kill and hardly caused any collateral either. It was totally out of character to see Batman kill in BvS and then all of a sudden stop because Superman somehow inspired him. The jerk-becomes-hero arc is the oldest hero's journey arc in the book of writing theory. I do not feign knowledge of the Punisher, do not think I ever saw it. So if you say he stays a jerk that is fine. I do not know what you mean by mainstream Batman, the Batman I grew up to was the Miller, Burton, Nolan Batman, and he is a killer if he must. The Batman in BvS did not stop killing per se, his arc was - inspired by Superman's sacrifice - he stopped maniacally branding criminals, and saw the need to grow over himself and establish something bigger to fill the security hole Supes' death had left.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 18, 2017 20:07:42 GMT
You mean like Batman did in BvS. The thing is, the Punisher never went thru that and never will. He's an anti-hero and always will be. He's not going to all of a sudden stop killing. But the mainstream Batman we all know generally didn't kill and hardly caused any collateral either. It was totally out of character to see Batman kill in BvS and then all of a sudden stop because Superman somehow inspired him. The jerk-becomes-hero arc is the oldest hero's journey arc in the book of writing theory. I do not feign knowledge of the Punisher, do not think I ever saw it. So if you say he stays a jerk that is fine. I do not know what you mean by mainstream Batman, the Batman I grew up to was the Miller, Burton, Nolan Batman, and he is a killer if he must. The Batman in BvS did not stop killing per se, his arc was - inspired by Superman's sacrifice - he stopped maniacally branding criminals, and saw the need to grow over himself and establish something bigger to fill the security hole Supes' death had left. Isn't that essentially the "jerk-becomes-hero arc" you're talking about?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 18, 2017 20:20:52 GMT
You mean like Batman did in BvS. The thing is, the Punisher never went thru that and never will. He's an anti-hero and always will be. He's not going to all of a sudden stop killing. But the mainstream Batman we all know generally didn't kill and hardly caused any collateral either. It was totally out of character to see Batman kill in BvS and then all of a sudden stop because Superman somehow inspired him. The jerk-becomes-hero arc is the oldest hero's journey arc in the book of writing theory. I do not feign knowledge of the Punisher, do not think I ever saw it. So if you say he stays a jerk that is fine. I do not know what you mean by mainstream Batman, the Batman I grew up to was the Miller, Burton, Nolan Batman, and he is a killer if he must. The Batman in BvS did not stop killing per se, his arc was - inspired by Superman's sacrifice - he stopped maniacally branding criminals, and saw the need to grow over himself and establish something bigger to fill the security hole Supes' death had left. Not sure why some people have a issue with a version of Batman who kills. I mean just think about how many lives Batman would have saved if he offed The Joker!
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 18, 2017 20:24:59 GMT
The jerk-becomes-hero arc is the oldest hero's journey arc in the book of writing theory. I do not feign knowledge of the Punisher, do not think I ever saw it. So if you say he stays a jerk that is fine. I do not know what you mean by mainstream Batman, the Batman I grew up to was the Miller, Burton, Nolan Batman, and he is a killer if he must. The Batman in BvS did not stop killing per se, his arc was - inspired by Superman's sacrifice - he stopped maniacally branding criminals, and saw the need to grow over himself and establish something bigger to fill the security hole Supes' death had left. Isn't that essentially the "jerk-becomes-hero arc" you're talking about? it is, I did not say it isn't, or that it should not be used at all. My criticism was that this was used as the standard character arc for basically every lead character, thus becoming predictable and boring formula.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 18, 2017 20:28:24 GMT
The jerk-becomes-hero arc is the oldest hero's journey arc in the book of writing theory. I do not feign knowledge of the Punisher, do not think I ever saw it. So if you say he stays a jerk that is fine. I do not know what you mean by mainstream Batman, the Batman I grew up to was the Miller, Burton, Nolan Batman, and he is a killer if he must. The Batman in BvS did not stop killing per se, his arc was - inspired by Superman's sacrifice - he stopped maniacally branding criminals, and saw the need to grow over himself and establish something bigger to fill the security hole Supes' death had left. Not sure why some people have a issue with a version of Batman who kills. I mean just think about how many lives Batman would have saved if he offed The Joker!yes, and as you certainly know, Bats asked the Joker the exact same question when breaking the Joker's neck in Millers TDK Returns.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 18, 2017 21:07:32 GMT
I love it. It sounds like they really get into the character. I love the idea of him trying to get away from the brutal life he's engaged in but it's just not who he is. That sounds deep.quite the opposite! It's the cliche old "jerk goes through crisis thereby becoming good guy superhero" arc again that we saw with Irion Man (several times), Antman, Thor, Dr Strange etc.
One must be very shallow to find that deep.
It's better than DC's flat archetype approach.
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