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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 19, 2017 1:21:12 GMT
While I hardly believe that WB's planning for the DCEU has been stellar, that chart makes no sense. Man of Steel leads into BvS, which leads right into SS, then cuts back to WW in the past. Then JL will follow those up. Sounds a lot like Iron Man leading into Hulk and Thor while they cut to the past with Cap and then The Avengers follows all of those up, doesn't it? I have no idea what they plan to do with the future movies, so maybe those random lines at the bottom are accurate, but that top part is quite a stretch.
By contrast, MCU is just a random haphazard mess. There's no connection at all between IM and TIH other than Tony Stark appearing in a 30-second post-credit scene in TIH. In fact, IM, TIH, Thor, and IM: TFA could've occurred in any order and it wouldn't have made any difference at all because the movies aren't connected and don't lead into the next movie. Also, there's no connection between IM, TIH, and Thor with GotG, Ant-Man, or Doctor Strange. Again, those movies could've occurred in any order and it wouldn't have made any difference at all because those movies aren't connected and don't lead into the next movie.
The MCU timeline is basically just a random haphazard mess.
The Army was using Stark Weaponry in TIH, and Tony shows up at the end. There's no need for there to be more connection than that. Iron Man 2 has Howard's notes on his WWII adventures, including how he studied the Tesseract and used it as the basis for the Arc Reactor. Then Thor explains the Asgardians and where they came from and their powerful artifacts. Then we SEE the Howard Stark adventures in TFA and see the Red Skull get his hands on the Tesseract which Howard used to create the Arc Reactor....which lead to Iron Man. GOTG explains the Infinity Stones, which the Tesseract is one of. Thereby further expanding on the worldbuilding. They are connected, they just don't spoonfeed you the way DC does. Seriously, try harder.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 19, 2017 1:26:44 GMT
By contrast, MCU is just a random haphazard mess. There's no connection at all between IM and TIH other than Tony Stark appearing in a 30-second post-credit scene in TIH. In fact, IM, TIH, Thor, and IM: TFA could've occurred in any order and it wouldn't have made any difference at all because the movies aren't connected and don't lead into the next movie. Also, there's no connection between IM, TIH, and Thor with GotG, Ant-Man, or Doctor Strange. Again, those movies could've occurred in any order and it wouldn't have made any difference at all because those movies aren't connected and don't lead into the next movie.
The MCU timeline is basically just a random haphazard mess.
The Army was using Stark Weaponry in TIH, and Tony shows up at the end. There's no need for there to be more connection than that. Iron Man 2 has Howard's notes on his WWII adventures, including how he studied the Tesseract and used it as the basis for the Arc Reactor. Then Thor explains the Asgardians and where they came from and their powerful artifacts. Then we SEE the Howard Stark adventures in TFA and see the Red Skull get his hands on the Tesseract which Howard used to create the Arc Reactor....which lead to Iron Man. GOTG explains the Infinity Stones, which the Tesseract is one of. Thereby further expanding on the worldbuilding. They are connected, they just don't spoonfeed you the way DC does. Seriously, try harder. *Claps * Sadly DC-Fan will twist words and make a fool out of himself yet again.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 19, 2017 2:43:19 GMT
By contrast, MCU is just a random haphazard mess. There's no connection at all between IM and TIH other than Tony Stark appearing in a 30-second post-credit scene in TIH. In fact, IM, TIH, Thor, and IM: TFA could've occurred in any order and it wouldn't have made any difference at all because the movies aren't connected and don't lead into the next movie. Also, there's no connection between IM, TIH, and Thor with GotG, Ant-Man, or Doctor Strange. Again, those movies could've occurred in any order and it wouldn't have made any difference at all because those movies aren't connected and don't lead into the next movie.
The MCU timeline is basically just a random haphazard mess.
The Army was using Stark Weaponry in TIH And you haven't disproven my point. Like I explained in my previous post, the events of MoS lead to the events of BvS, which lead to the events of SS. BvS also leads to JL. So those movies have to happen in a defined chronological order.
But as I explained in my previous post, MCU movies are basically a random haphazard mess that could occur n any order. Stark's company has been producing weapons for a long time so the Army using Stark weaponry in TIH doesn't mandate that TIH has to follow IM in chronological order. TIH could've happened 1st without IM ever happening.
There's no chronological order to the events in MCU movies. Therefore, the OP's graph of MCU is completely wrong because MCU isn't anything close to resembling a neat, linear graph. Like I said before, the MCU timeline is basically just a random haphazard mess. And "8 Years Later" just adds more mess to the already random haphazard mess that is the MCU timeline.
Nice try, but you still failed. Try harder.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 19, 2017 4:27:21 GMT
The Army was using Stark Weaponry in TIH And you haven't disproven my point. Like I explained in my previous post, the events of MoS lead to the events of BvS, which lead to the events of SS. BvS also leads to JL. So those movies have to happen in a defined chronological order.
But as I explained in my previous post, MCU movies are basically a random haphazard mess that could occur n any order. Stark's company has been producing weapons for a long time so the Army using Stark weaponry in TIH doesn't mandate that TIH has to follow IM in chronological order. TIH could've happened 1st without IM ever happening.
There's no chronological order to the events in MCU movies. Therefore, the OP's graph of MCU is completely wrong because MCU isn't anything close to resembling a neat, linear graph. Like I said before, the MCU timeline is basically just a random haphazard mess. And "8 Years Later" just adds more mess to the already random haphazard mess that is the MCU timeline.
Nice try, but you still failed. Try harder.
And there you go, king of fools.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 4:36:01 GMT
And you haven't disproven my point. Like I explained in my previous post, the events of MoS lead to the events of BvS, which lead to the events of SS. BvS also leads to JL. So those movies have to happen in a defined chronological order.
But as I explained in my previous post, MCU movies are basically a random haphazard mess that could occur n any order. Stark's company has been producing weapons for a long time so the Army using Stark weaponry in TIH doesn't mandate that TIH has to follow IM in chronological order. TIH could've happened 1st without IM ever happening.
There's no chronological order to the events in MCU movies. Therefore, the OP's graph of MCU is completely wrong because MCU isn't anything close to resembling a neat, linear graph. Like I said before, the MCU timeline is basically just a random haphazard mess. And "8 Years Later" just adds more mess to the already random haphazard mess that is the MCU timeline.
Nice try, but you still failed. Try harder.
And there you go, king of fools. You can almost watch him devolve.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 5:29:35 GMT
Its a theory I came up with. Since Doctor Strange the timeline looks messy. Its actually mentioned int he movie that the use of the time stone would have consequences. The bill always comes due. So I thought initially that the 8 year thing had something to do with that. Since Guardians 2 is also only a few months after Guardians 1 it would make sense. I have no clue if its true but it sounds valid. If this is the case Marvel really wowed me with their planning and shared universe. At least is sounds better than the Magic Boat theory I was with you until you said Guardians 2 only takes place months after. Yes it does, but that doesn't need to be explained at all. It simply took place a couple months later. The release date has nothing to do with it. I agree. I just noticed that since the Doctor Strange movie all MCU movies have been out of sink with the premise that the time passed between movies was more or less the same as the time between te releases. All though I dont know if Marvel ever released any official statement in that premise.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 5:37:32 GMT
And there you go, king of fools. You can almost watch him devolve. That idiot is really predictable. When you think about it he is a sad person who deserves pity. It must be so hard being such a big fan and than see your team get beaten time and time again. And even if there is something good going on you still get beaten. Any other would have given up. So I pity him and credit him. Lol I didnt mean any if this. He is just an asshole who should be banned for insulting and hurting people on a deep personal level.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 19, 2017 10:40:06 GMT
The Army was using Stark Weaponry in TIH And you haven't disproven my point. Actually, I did. I proved there were many connections between all the films that serve to expand on the Universe and either set things up for future films or better explain stuff in prior films. That's how a Shared Universe works, everything coming together to form a bigger whole as opposed to just being a bunch of random stuff like DCEU. Suicide Squad added nothing to the overall picture and had no real impact on Justice League while all the stuff in the prior MCU movies have built on each other in one way or another. Try harder, and don't expect to be spoonfed.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 19, 2017 11:18:18 GMT
I was with you until you said Guardians 2 only takes place months after. Yes it does, but that doesn't need to be explained at all. It simply took place a couple months later. The release date has nothing to do with it. I agree. I just noticed that since the Doctor Strange movie all MCU movies have been out of sink with the premise that the time passed between movies was more or less the same as the time between te releases. All though I dont know if Marvel ever released any official statement in that premise. I think they just realized there was no reason to confine the story that way. Just because the physical process of making a movie takes a few years, why would they have to write the story as though a few years had passed? That kind of thing. I don't think there is going to be any crazy time stone explanation. But maybe. I've been wrong before.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 19, 2017 12:31:17 GMT
And you haven't disproven my point. Actually, I did. No, you didn't disprove my point. I proved that the events of MoS, BvS, SS, and JL all have to take place in the chronological order that the movies were released. I also proved that IM and TIH don't have to take place in the chronological order that the movies were released. TIH could've been released before IM and it wouldn't have changed the events in either movie. Similar with Thor, GotG, Ant-Man, and Doctor Strange.
So I've proven that the MCU timeline is just a random haphazard mess and therefore doesn't fall into any neat linear graph but is just a random haphazard mess of lines going all over the place. And THAT is what you haven't disproven.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 19, 2017 13:10:57 GMT
No, you didn't disprove my point. I proved that the events of MoS, BvS, SS, and JL all have to take place in the chronological order that the movies were released. I also proved that IM and TIH don't have to take place in the chronological order that the movies were released. TIH could've been released before IM and it wouldn't have changed the events in either movie. Similar with Thor, GotG, Ant-Man, and Doctor Strange.
So I've proven that the MCU timeline is just a random haphazard mess and therefore doesn't fall into any neat linear graph but is just a random haphazard mess of lines going all over the place. And THAT is what you haven't disproven.
Chronological order doesn't mean much if the intervening movies are bad or make little sense, like SS and most of BvS. There's little worldbuilding and the connections are forced and end up meaning nothing as well. The MCU has the films connect in meaningful ways that don't require every single movie to be a direct sequel. Which is how a Shared Universe works. DC is the opposite, having the movies appear to be linear but they have little int he way of worldbuilding or enriching the overall Universe. And yes, that ending with Stark shows it DOES happen chronologically after Iron Man. They just don't spoonfeed you. Same with GOTG, it happens after Avengers and explains the Infinity Stones and Thanos but still managed to be a story about the Guardians. Thor sets up elements of TFA and the backstory for the Iron Man movies and TFA further expands on the Iron Man backstory. So yeah, it's a bunch of movies that connect in ways that make sense as opposed to how DC does it where they try to say "See, they're all direct sequels!" but lack any meaningful connections.
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Post by damngumby on Sept 19, 2017 14:27:25 GMT
Everyone else seems to have figured it out. Easily. Why can't you?
Are you now ok with the (nearly) 70 years thing with Captain America? How you could have misconstrued that for so long is a testament to single minded stupidity.
The rounding up of 7.3 years to 8 in SMH appears to still have you befuddled. Not sure how to help you there. You're just going to have to reconcile with the fact that many every day things are beyond your capacity to comprehend. Even simple stuff ... in super hero movies.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 18:20:37 GMT
You can almost watch him devolve. That idiot is really predictable. When you think about it he is a sad person who deserves pity. It must be so hard being such a big fan and than see your team get beaten time and time again. And even if there is something good going on you still get beaten. Any other would have given up. So I pity him and credit him. Lol I didnt mean any if this. He is just an asshole who should be banned for insulting and hurting people on a deep personal level. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) No kidding. This guy needs to be locked up for psychiatric treatment, too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 23:16:17 GMT
And there you go, king of fools. You can almost watch him devolve. Like watching an isotope decay.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 23:21:53 GMT
You can almost watch him devolve. Like watching an isotope decay. Or De-Evolving Chamber in the Super Mario Bros movie.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 19, 2017 23:30:40 GMT
Like watching an isotope decay. Or De-Evolving Chamber in the Super Mario Bros movie.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 20, 2017 0:08:57 GMT
In other words, Kevin Feige knows what he's doing "8 Years Later". LOL!!! Even MCU Dictator Kevin Feige can't explain how that massive continuity fuck-up got into the movie. Feige has no clue what's going on. 2 posts in a row about "8 years later." When you latch onto something you hold a tight grip, huh?
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 20, 2017 0:23:29 GMT
While I hardly believe that WB's planning for the DCEU has been stellar, that chart makes no sense. Man of Steel leads into BvS, which leads right into SS, then cuts back to WW in the past. Then JL will follow those up. Sounds a lot like Iron Man leading into Hulk and Thor while they cut to the past with Cap and then The Avengers follows all of those up, doesn't it? I have no idea what they plan to do with the future movies, so maybe those random lines at the bottom are accurate, but that top part is quite a stretch. Actually, Suicide Squad stemmed from Man of Steel. Superman was the excuse Waller used for making the team. She wouldn't use Superman as an excuse when he's already dead. So Suicide Squad and BvS would diamond off of MoS to WW. I was thinking that Wonder Woman should be in a bow shape back to the beginning, but the movie is a flashback. Not a straight forward movie like First Avenger.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Sept 20, 2017 0:45:21 GMT
Actually, Suicide Squad stemmed from Man of Steel. Superman was the excuse Waller used for making the team. She wouldn't use Superman as an excuse when he's already dead. The excuse for making the team was that there needed to be a precautionary measure in case someone like Superman came to earth and was bad. They also wanted a task force that could "do some good" while Superman was "dead". It's essentially a direct follow-up to BvS. There are people selling Superman memorial T-Shirts and what not in one scene. Batman can be seen trying to make a team after Superman's death, which he had no interest in before.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 20, 2017 2:34:49 GMT
Actually, Suicide Squad stemmed from Man of Steel. Superman was the excuse Waller used for making the team. She wouldn't use Superman as an excuse when he's already dead. The excuse for making the team was that there needed to be a precautionary measure in case someone like Superman came to earth and was bad. They also wanted a task force that could "do some good" while Superman was "dead". It's essentially a direct follow-up to BvS. There are people selling Superman memorial T-Shirts and what not in one scene. Batman can be seen trying to make a team after Superman's death, which he had no interest in before. I just realized something... Isn't that the reason the Avengers were brought together and the reason for the weapons?
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