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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 20, 2017 18:36:38 GMT
Wonder Woman Might Be Impossible To TopSay what you will about the likes of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad but Wonder Woman was pretty much a masterpiece in the comic book movie realm and a real game changer for the genre. It proved that female superhero movies can work and it's going to be a real challenge for Marvel Studios to top that with Captain Marvel. Don't get me wrong, a prequel of sorts to the current MCU adventures set in the 90s and featuring the Kree/Skrull War is going to be epic and should be an amazing movie but will it ever top Wonder Woman? I'm not so sure and as there will inevitably be comparisons between the two, that could hurt Marvel Studios in a significant way, especially if Captain Marvel fails to find the same level of critical and commercial success. It's obviously still early days and it's entirely possible Captain Marvel will be the better movie but with Warner Bros. clearly eyeing a series of female led superhero films like Gotham City Sirens and Batgirl moving forward, they're opening the genre to a wider audience and that could pay off in a huge way as moviegoers look for something new. DCEU Taking A Filmmaker Driven ApproachWhile Marvel Studios allows the likes of James Gunn and Taika Waititi to bring their unique vision to the projects they take the helm of, there are many directors who wouldn't work with them again and it's no secret that Kevin Feige and company like to have full control of the movie we ultimately wind up seeing on the big screen. That's not necessarily a bad thing, of course, but Warner Bros. allowing the likes of Patty Jenkins and James Wan to be 100% themselves is a method which has the potential to pay off for them in a way which might just give them the advantage for years to come. It may not always pan out exactly as planned but prioritizing the directors they hire is something which should help the quality of these DC Comics adaptations reach a place where they transcend the superhero genre and become Oscar candidates the same way The Dark Knight did back in 2008. That's something Marvel Studios could struggle to top. Marvel Studios Becoming Complacentas we move into Phase 4 and they lose some of their biggest stars (another disadvantage for the studio), we could see them resort to resting on their laurels and producing movies they're confident will be a hit rather than being as creative as they otherwise might have been. Warner Bros., on the other hand, has something to prove. With no Harry Potter or Hobbit franchise to fall back on, it's essential that these DC Comics adaptations succeed and that's going to essentially lead to them trying anything and everything to make that the case. It also means we're getting a standalone Joker movie unlike any other take on the Clown Prince of Crime and seeing heroes like Nightwing and Shazam get the chance to shine on the big screen. With that sort of outlook moving forward, it's easy to imagine the DC Extended Universe posing some serious problems for the MCU as it finds its feet and potentially becomes the go to shared world for moviegoers.
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Post by scabab on Sept 20, 2017 19:25:11 GMT
If DCEU is taking a filmmaker driven approach then why do the directors keep leaving their movies?
Just with The Flash, the Miller brothers had involvement and then turned it down. Seth Grahame-Smith signed on and then dropped out because of creative differences. Rick Famuyiwa signed on and then dropped out....because of creative differences. Now they're back to the Millers once again.
With Justice League Dark, Doug Liman was going to direct the movie and then he dropped out.
Michelle MacLaren dropped out of Wonder Woman due to creative differences before Patty Jenkins had to replace her.
Ben Affleck was going to direct The Batman and then suddenly that wasn't happening. Matt Reeves was set to direct but then he seemingly dropped out before coming back again.
Collet-Serra was going to direct Suicide Squad 2 and then dropped out.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 20, 2017 19:47:48 GMT
If DCEU is taking a filmmaker driven approach then why do the directors keep leaving their movies? Just with The Flash, the Miller brothers had involvement and then turned it down. Seth Grahame-Smith signed on and then dropped out because of creative differences. Rick Famuyiwa signed on and then dropped out....because of creative differences. Now they're back to the Millers once again. With Justice League Dark, Doug Liman was going to direct the movie and then he dropped out. Michelle MacLaren dropped out of Wonder Woman due to creative differences before Patty Jenkins had to replace her. Ben Affleck was going to direct The Batman and then suddenly that wasn't happening. Matt Reeves was set to direct but then he seemingly dropped out before coming back again. Collet-Serra was going to direct Suicide Squad 2 and then dropped out. Also, noticed how MCU is having much fewer director woes ever since Perlmutter went out of (the) picture?
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 20, 2017 20:22:21 GMT
If DCEU is taking a filmmaker driven approach then why do the directors keep leaving their movies? Just with The Flash, the Miller brothers had involvement and then turned it down. Seth Grahame-Smith signed on and then dropped out because of creative differences. Rick Famuyiwa signed on and then dropped out....because of creative differences. Now they're back to the Millers once again. With Justice League Dark, Doug Liman was going to direct the movie and then he dropped out. Michelle MacLaren dropped out of Wonder Woman due to creative differences before Patty Jenkins had to replace her. Ben Affleck was going to direct The Batman and then suddenly that wasn't happening. Matt Reeves was set to direct but then he seemingly dropped out before coming back again. Collet-Serra was going to direct Suicide Squad 2 and then dropped out. Honestly, WB claims they're filmmaker driven, but I believe Geoff Johns is secretly the DCEU's Kevin Feige.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 20, 2017 20:38:42 GMT
If DCEU is taking a filmmaker driven approach then why do the directors keep leaving their movies? Just with The Flash, the Miller brothers had involvement and then turned it down. Seth Grahame-Smith signed on and then dropped out because of creative differences. Rick Famuyiwa signed on and then dropped out....because of creative differences. Now they're back to the Millers once again. With Justice League Dark, Doug Liman was going to direct the movie and then he dropped out. Michelle MacLaren dropped out of Wonder Woman due to creative differences before Patty Jenkins had to replace her. Ben Affleck was going to direct The Batman and then suddenly that wasn't happening. Matt Reeves was set to direct but then he seemingly dropped out before coming back again. Collet-Serra was going to direct Suicide Squad 2 and then dropped out. Also, noticed how MCU is having much fewer director woes ever since Perlmutter went out of (the) picture? And I think the DCEU has had more director woes than the MCU. I count only 3 directors leave due to creative differences; Patty Jenkins left Thor: The Dark World, Edgar Wright left Ant-Man, and Ava Duvernay left Black Panther, and then 2 production troubles with Jon Favreau on Iron Man 2 and Joss Whedon on Age of Ultron. That's only 5 of the 16 MCU movies with director woes. Sure the films I mentioned shows, but some turn out great, specifically Ant-Man. We'll have to see how well critically Black Panther does, but I'm sure it's in good hands. Count the director woes the DCEU had according to scabab's post. Most of them aren't even in production yet. I might sound crazy by saying this, but I believe the MCU might be a better place to work in than DC and Star Wars, given the director woes Lucasfilms has had recently.
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 20, 2017 21:31:15 GMT
Also, noticed how MCU is having much fewer director woes ever since Perlmutter went out of (the) picture? And I think the DCEU has had more director woes than the MCU. I count only 3 directors leave due to creative differences; Patty Jenkins left Thor: The Dark World, Edgar Wright left Ant-Man, and Ava Duvernay left Black Panther, and then 2 production troubles with Jon Favreau on Iron Man 2 and Joss Whedon on Age of Ultron. That's only 5 of the 16 MCU movies with director woes. Sure the films I mentioned shows, but some turn out great, specifically Ant-Man. We'll have to see how well critically Black Panther does, but I'm sure it's in good hands. Count the director woes the DCEU had according to scabab's post. Most of them aren't even in production yet. I might sound crazy by saying this, but I believe the MCU might be a better place to work in than DC and Star Wars, given the director woes Lucasfilms has had recently. Also, DuVernay never even signed up for 'Black Panther'. She was simply being considered for it before she decided to back down. As for 'Star Wars', that film had production problems starting from its inception, so... it's not entirely surprising.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 20, 2017 21:41:20 GMT
And I think the DCEU has had more director woes than the MCU. I count only 3 directors leave due to creative differences; Patty Jenkins left Thor: The Dark World, Edgar Wright left Ant-Man, and Ava Duvernay left Black Panther, and then 2 production troubles with Jon Favreau on Iron Man 2 and Joss Whedon on Age of Ultron. That's only 5 of the 16 MCU movies with director woes. Sure the films I mentioned shows, but some turn out great, specifically Ant-Man. We'll have to see how well critically Black Panther does, but I'm sure it's in good hands. Count the director woes the DCEU had according to scabab's post. Most of them aren't even in production yet. I might sound crazy by saying this, but I believe the MCU might be a better place to work in than DC and Star Wars, given the director woes Lucasfilms has had recently. Also, DuVernay never even signed up for 'Black Panther'. She was simply being considered for it before she decided to back down. As for 'Star Wars', that film had production problems starting from its inception, so... it's not entirely surprising. Well, Black Panther is in better hands anyway, arguably.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Sept 23, 2017 15:56:33 GMT
They don't fear the DCEU. Not even close.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 18:13:21 GMT
They don't fear the DCEU. Not even close. I do shit myself watching a DCEU movie. Fear has nothing to do with that.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 25, 2017 18:22:28 GMT
They don't fear the DCEU. Not even close. I do shit myself watching a DCEU movie. Fear has nothing to do with that. I just get pissed off watching a DCEU movie, except for Wonder Woman.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 25, 2017 19:09:05 GMT
DC taking a director-driven approach might have been one of their biggest mistakes as it allowed the first 3 movies in their CU to be dominated by Snyder-style.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 25, 2017 19:33:58 GMT
DC taking a director-driven approach might have been one of their biggest mistakes as it allowed the first 3 movies in their CU to be dominated by Snyder-style. nope, warts and all, the director driven approach makes the first 2 movies and especially the 4th one so much more interesting than the regurgitated corporate hack formula. The latter, respectively studio interference, is exactly why the third movie (SS) is such artistic abomination.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 20:01:18 GMT
I do shit myself watching a DCEU movie. Fear has nothing to do with that. I just get pissed off watching a DCEU movie, except for Wonder Woman. I will own the DVD of that movie in a few weeks. I hope Im wrong and that it does hold up upon multiple viewings.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 25, 2017 21:32:02 GMT
DC taking a director-driven approach might have been one of their biggest mistakes as it allowed the first 3 movies in their CU to be dominated by Snyder-style. nope, warts and all, the director driven approach makes the first 2 movies and especially the 4th one so much more interesting than the regurgitated corporate hack formula. The latter, respectively studio interference, is exactly why the third movie (SS) is such artistic abomination. No it doesn't. Zack Snyder is just a hack that sucks at storytelling. Also I wouldn't call Suicide Squad an artistic abominaion, but just abomination.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 25, 2017 22:09:11 GMT
DC taking a director-driven approach might have been one of their biggest mistakes as it allowed the first 3 movies in their CU to be dominated by Snyder-style. nope, warts and all, the director driven approach makes the first 2 movies and especially the 4th one so much more interesting than the regurgitated corporate hack formula. Nah, the Director approach produces plenty of pretentiousness but nothing really interesting. WW's only claim to fame is the artificial boosters making it seem more than mediocre. And I'm also sorry you're so obsessed with words like "turd" or "nipple" or "penis" to ignore poignant stuff like Drax talking to Mantis about the nature of beauty.
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