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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 21, 2017 15:39:43 GMT
Its up online in clear copy (yeah, sue me  ) and I decided to watch it again and I did. And it's a great film and it deserves all the praise it gets, but right after the beach battle, I kinda had the "Star Wars: Force Awakens" effect on me. What I mean by that is that the Force Awakens is a pretty good film, and I think the general consensus is that it's better than the prequel trilogy and that's why the Force Awakens got all its love and praise and crushed the box office numbers. However, when I saw it again, I just remember thinking to myself I don't want to sit thru this because it is a bit of a task to sit thru and yeah, eventually people realized it was kinda a reboot of A New Hope. I had that effect with Wonder Woman. I think fans were glad DC finally managed to make a good film and lied to themselves by calling it perfect because the previous films were shit. I just remember sitting thru it and thinking, get me to the trench scene and then after the trench scene, it does lackluster in place and unable to pick back up properly and by the end with Ares, I was hardly paying attention because I don't think it was executed that well and they really miscast Ares. He really is no worst or better than your average Marvel villain. He's just there to serve as a foil rather than having a decent motive and story. But it was essentially like a generic video game boss fight that unfortunately every superhero film is falling thru. It really isn't a perfect film like most are making it out to be |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 21, 2017 16:22:15 GMT
Congrats on TFA: you have a critical brain cutting through the hype BS. Here is the fulll resolution:
1. Rip Off: Within the Saga TFA is the least original and creative entry by far; this in a series primarily known and famous for its imagination:
- TFA rehashes 90% of ANH's plot beats, the rest is OT (father-son conflict; Emperor etc) and some former EU elements; the PT world building is mostly ignored;
- TFA uses locations, designs and vehicles from previous films, but is hardly adding anything new (even BB-8 stems from old drawings, other things such as Kylos sabre or outfit are from EU materials);
- The World Building and exposition is shoddy/non-existent: We do not get any idea how and why after RotJ we now have a Bigger, Bader & Dumber Empire again, or what the FO is and how the Republic and the Resistance work (I know: "Kids don't care", but grownups do...!);
- All of this is resulting in a stale and stagnant, seemingly shrinking universe ("Shrinking Universe" complaint);
2. CHARACTERS: the character portrayals and actions are incongruent with their character backgrounds;
- This includes racial stereotyping (mostly with Finn: "Droid Pease", runaway slave motive who is given a name by white dude, a black guy tasered by dog-like droid, while being accused of theft by white female, drinks with animals and is starngeled a lot, black guy turns out the janitor etc);
- Blatant Mary Sue writing, which is the writing’s central problem as it sucks out competence and believability of characters and events (e.g., infamous Rey/Leia hug scene);
- Old canon characters act out of character and their former arcs and development are ignored; they only serve to glorify/legitimize the new characters;
* fun fact: that even applies to spaceships, e.g., the Millenium Falcon should be the most famous, recognizable, priceless museum-piece in the universe, but is just standing around like "garbage";
- characters are overpowered or too weak, resulting in Video Game like scenes,
*such as Poe shooting down more than 10 Tie Fighters plus ground groups within one take, or
* Rey saving the day in any situation with untrained ad hoc abilities, including Force power-ups, especially when defeating the main antagonist;
* The (trained-from-childhood) soldier Finn is just an incompetent black bumbling fool, and he is finally revealed to be a space janitor (sanatation worker) – he seems mainly to be there to show that other characters are superior - e.g., cannot fly ships, cannot operate turrets, cannot understand languages, cannot fight, must be rescued all the time etc;
* Some characters such as Kylo are inconsistent, first extremely powerful, then pathetically weak (when facing the untrained scavenger Rey). His inner conflict is poorly developed: e.g., he actually prays to Vader to protect him from the light (!) - thus the guy who is famous for having been redeemed from evil, and having destroyed the Sith/dark side, and who is spooking around as a light side Force ghost...
- The father/son relationship is badly developed; we never see Han/Ben interact before as father and son, or get an understanding that Kylo is really struggling with having to kill his father – his motivation for going dark side is murky at best;
- The bad guys are poorly underwritten and just pale imitations of previous baddies (Snoke-Emperor, Hux-Tarkin, Captain Phasma-BobaFett)
3. STORYLINE/SCRIPT:
- The main story line is broken: first it's about getting a map and finding Luke, then it's suddenly about destroying Death Star III (no inner connection) - the map-plot is then suddenly resolved by a deus ex machina event (R2 conveniently awakening, having the map and nobody ever thought of looking in Luke's left-behind droid R2...);
- The scrip excels at creating logical inconstancies/plot holes, (e.g. Han taking BB-8 into Maz's cantina, resulting in it’s destruction), deus ex machina events, convenient coincidents, and plain old bad writing - e.g., the sword fight starts with a plot hole and ends with a deus ex machina earth hole (chasm ridiculously and conveniently opening to save Kylo from Rey), in between lies bad writing violating common sense, the established lore and Force rules.
- The dialog is badly writing and laughable (got a boyfriend cute boyfriend?), often just created to create cheap lowbrow humor;
- All about Death Star 3, including physics and its workings, is blatantly unoriginal and stupid;
- The map subplot is beyond absurd and convoluted (since when do you define destinations in space by directions but not coordinates - but let's not even get started on this!).
4. EXECUTION:
- Lot of the CGI is shoddy, the dogfights look like video games, characters like Snoke, the tentacle monsters or Maz look fake;
- The direction is rushed (relentless pacing);
- There is a propensity for overacting, especially with the new characters.
- The action scenes and set pieces are just adequate – there is nothing remotely as iconic as in the OT (DS trench run, AT-AT attack, speeder bike race/DS attack) or even the PT (pod race, Clone War/Geonosis battle, Coruscant battle etc);
- The music is just adequate, like the film lacking the old inspiration for the most part;
- Many many nitpicks/ ”lens flares”
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Sept 21, 2017 17:01:47 GMT
Congrats on TFA: you have a critical brain cutting through the hype BS. Here is the fulll resolution:
1. Rip Off: Within the Saga TFA is the least original and creative entry by far; this in a series primarily known and famous for its imagination:
- TFA rehashes 90% of ANH's plot beats, the rest is OT (father-son conflict; Emperor etc) and some former EU elements; the PT world building is mostly ignored;
- TFA uses locations, designs and vehicles from previous films, but is hardly adding anything new (even BB-8 stems from old drawings, other things such as Kylos sabre or outfit are from EU materials);
- The World Building and exposition is shoddy/non-existent: We do not get any idea how and why after RotJ we now have a Bigger, Bader & Dumber Empire again, or what the FO is and how the Republic and the Resistance work (I know: "Kids don't care", but grownups do...!);
- All of this is resulting in a stale and stagnant, seemingly shrinking universe ("Shrinking Universe" complaint);
2. CHARACTERS: the character portrayals and actions are incongruent with their character backgrounds;
- This includes racial stereotyping (mostly with Finn: "Droid Pease", runaway slave motive who is given a name by white dude, a black guy tasered by dog-like droid, while being accused of theft by white female, drinks with animals and is starngeled a lot, black guy turns out the janitor etc);
- Blatant Mary Sue writing, which is the writing’s central problem as it sucks out competence and believability of characters and events (e.g., infamous Rey/Leia hug scene);
- Old canon characters act out of character and their former arcs and development are ignored; they only serve to glorify/legitimize the new characters;
* fun fact: that even applies to spaceships, e.g., the Millenium Falcon should be the most famous, recognizable, priceless museum-piece in the universe, but is just standing around like "garbage";
- characters are overpowered or too weak, resulting in Video Game like scenes,
*such as Poe shooting down more than 10 Tie Fighters plus ground groups within one take, or
* Rey saving the day in any situation with untrained ad hoc abilities, including Force power-ups, especially when defeating the main antagonist;
* The (trained-from-childhood) soldier Finn is just an incompetent black bumbling fool, and he is finally revealed to be a space janitor (sanatation worker) – he seems mainly to be there to show that other characters are superior - e.g., cannot fly ships, cannot operate turrets, cannot understand languages, cannot fight, must be rescued all the time etc;
* Some characters such as Kylo are inconsistent, first extremely powerful, then pathetically weak (when facing the untrained scavenger Rey). His inner conflict is poorly developed: e.g., he actually prays to Vader to protect him from the light (!) - thus the guy who is famous for having been redeemed from evil, and having destroyed the Sith/dark side, and who is spooking around as a light side Force ghost...
- The father/son relationship is badly developed; we never see Han/Ben interact before as father and son, or get an understanding that Kylo is really struggling with having to kill his father – his motivation for going dark side is murky at best;
- The bad guys are poorly underwritten and just pale imitations of previous baddies (Snoke-Emperor, Hux-Tarkin, Captain Phasma-BobaFett)
3. STORYLINE/SCRIPT:
- The main story line is broken: first it's about getting a map and finding Luke, then it's suddenly about destroying Death Star III (no inner connection) - the map-plot is then suddenly resolved by a deus ex machina event (R2 conveniently awakening, having the map and nobody ever thought of looking in Luke's left-behind droid R2...);
- The scrip excels at creating logical inconstancies/plot holes, (e.g. Han taking BB-8 into Maz's cantina, resulting in it’s destruction), deus ex machina events, convenient coincidents, and plain old bad writing - e.g., the sword fight starts with a plot hole and ends with a deus ex machina earth hole (chasm ridiculously and conveniently opening to save Kylo from Rey), in between lies bad writing violating common sense, the established lore and Force rules.
- The dialog is badly writing and laughable (got a boyfriend cute boyfriend?), often just created to create cheap lowbrow humor;
- All about Death Star 3, including physics and its workings, is blatantly unoriginal and stupid;
- The map subplot is beyond absurd and convoluted (since when do you define destinations in space by directions but not coordinates - but let's not even get started on this!).
4. EXECUTION:
- Lot of the CGI is shoddy, the dogfights look like video games, characters like Snoke, the tentacle monsters or Maz look fake;
- The direction is rushed (relentless pacing);
- There is a propensity for overacting, especially with the new characters.
- The action scenes and set pieces are just adequate – there is nothing remotely as iconic as in the OT (DS trench run, AT-AT attack, speeder bike race/DS attack) or even the PT (pod race, Clone War/Geonosis battle, Coruscant battle etc);
- The music is just adequate, like the film lacking the old inspiration for the most part;
- Many many nitpicks/ ”lens flares”
Dude, you completely missed the point I was making |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 21, 2017 18:05:43 GMT
Dude, you completely missed the point I was making oh? Well, I made my own point then, didn't I? I do not agree on your assertion as it builds upon a invalid analogy. TFA : PT does not equal WW : prior-DCEU! For instance, the last PT film has good ratings and is hailed by leading art critics (Camilla Paglia, and filmmakers) as the greatest masterpiece of the last 30 years. TFA while it got initially great reviews (hype!) experienced a massive, unprecedented media and forum backlash (memberberries etc, even Plinkett). Look on the local or big SW forums, people woke up quickly - like you did. As for WW, it's certainly overrated but so are all current CMBs, indicated by the fact that you will not find one MCU DCEU film in the popular 250 charts. WW from a writing perspective is one of the best made current CMBs (7/10 IMO), it's a classic tale about the failings of the human condition: it appeals to a new, non-CMB, demographic other than the typical fanboy/children market. It will definitely become a classic transcending the CMB market! It's not comparable to the rushed hack job that is TFA. It's well written, has heart, soul, a timeless message. I personally like testosterone Logan more, but WW is the better, classic piece of filmmaking for the whole family. I would not be surprised if it gets a nod at the Oscars this year too. IMO |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 21, 2017 19:01:09 GMT
Congrats on TFA: you have a critical brain cutting through the hype BS. Here is the fulll resolution:
1. Rip Off: Within the Saga TFA is the least original and creative entry by far; this in a series primarily known and famous for its imagination:
- TFA rehashes 90% of ANH's plot beats, the rest is OT (father-son conflict; Emperor etc) and some former EU elements; the PT world building is mostly ignored;
- TFA uses locations, designs and vehicles from previous films, but is hardly adding anything new (even BB-8 stems from old drawings, other things such as Kylos sabre or outfit are from EU materials);
- The World Building and exposition is shoddy/non-existent: We do not get any idea how and why after RotJ we now have a Bigger, Bader & Dumber Empire again, or what the FO is and how the Republic and the Resistance work (I know: "Kids don't care", but grownups do...!);
- All of this is resulting in a stale and stagnant, seemingly shrinking universe ("Shrinking Universe" complaint);
2. CHARACTERS: the character portrayals and actions are incongruent with their character backgrounds;
- This includes racial stereotyping (mostly with Finn: "Droid Pease", runaway slave motive who is given a name by white dude, a black guy tasered by dog-like droid, while being accused of theft by white female, drinks with animals and is starngeled a lot, black guy turns out the janitor etc);
- Blatant Mary Sue writing, which is the writing’s central problem as it sucks out competence and believability of characters and events (e.g., infamous Rey/Leia hug scene);
- Old canon characters act out of character and their former arcs and development are ignored; they only serve to glorify/legitimize the new characters;
* fun fact: that even applies to spaceships, e.g., the Millenium Falcon should be the most famous, recognizable, priceless museum-piece in the universe, but is just standing around like "garbage";
- characters are overpowered or too weak, resulting in Video Game like scenes,
*such as Poe shooting down more than 10 Tie Fighters plus ground groups within one take, or
* Rey saving the day in any situation with untrained ad hoc abilities, including Force power-ups, especially when defeating the main antagonist;
* The (trained-from-childhood) soldier Finn is just an incompetent black bumbling fool, and he is finally revealed to be a space janitor (sanatation worker) – he seems mainly to be there to show that other characters are superior - e.g., cannot fly ships, cannot operate turrets, cannot understand languages, cannot fight, must be rescued all the time etc;
* Some characters such as Kylo are inconsistent, first extremely powerful, then pathetically weak (when facing the untrained scavenger Rey). His inner conflict is poorly developed: e.g., he actually prays to Vader to protect him from the light (!) - thus the guy who is famous for having been redeemed from evil, and having destroyed the Sith/dark side, and who is spooking around as a light side Force ghost...
- The father/son relationship is badly developed; we never see Han/Ben interact before as father and son, or get an understanding that Kylo is really struggling with having to kill his father – his motivation for going dark side is murky at best;
- The bad guys are poorly underwritten and just pale imitations of previous baddies (Snoke-Emperor, Hux-Tarkin, Captain Phasma-BobaFett)
3. STORYLINE/SCRIPT:
- The main story line is broken: first it's about getting a map and finding Luke, then it's suddenly about destroying Death Star III (no inner connection) - the map-plot is then suddenly resolved by a deus ex machina event (R2 conveniently awakening, having the map and nobody ever thought of looking in Luke's left-behind droid R2...);
- The scrip excels at creating logical inconstancies/plot holes, (e.g. Han taking BB-8 into Maz's cantina, resulting in it’s destruction), deus ex machina events, convenient coincidents, and plain old bad writing - e.g., the sword fight starts with a plot hole and ends with a deus ex machina earth hole (chasm ridiculously and conveniently opening to save Kylo from Rey), in between lies bad writing violating common sense, the established lore and Force rules.
- The dialog is badly writing and laughable (got a boyfriend cute boyfriend?), often just created to create cheap lowbrow humor;
- All about Death Star 3, including physics and its workings, is blatantly unoriginal and stupid;
- The map subplot is beyond absurd and convoluted (since when do you define destinations in space by directions but not coordinates - but let's not even get started on this!).
4. EXECUTION:
- Lot of the CGI is shoddy, the dogfights look like video games, characters like Snoke, the tentacle monsters or Maz look fake;
- The direction is rushed (relentless pacing);
- There is a propensity for overacting, especially with the new characters.
- The action scenes and set pieces are just adequate – there is nothing remotely as iconic as in the OT (DS trench run, AT-AT attack, speeder bike race/DS attack) or even the PT (pod race, Clone War/Geonosis battle, Coruscant battle etc);
- The music is just adequate, like the film lacking the old inspiration for the most part;
- Many many nitpicks/ ”lens flares”
This. Even though JJ not doing episode 8, I'm still worried about it, especially when Mark Hamill said he didn't like the approach their taking with Luke. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 21, 2017 19:33:36 GMT
Congrats on TFA: you have a critical brain cutting through the hype BS. Here is the fulll resolution:
1. Rip Off: Within the Saga TFA is the least original and creative entry by far; this in a series primarily known and famous for its imagination:
- TFA rehashes 90% of ANH's plot beats, the rest is OT (father-son conflict; Emperor etc) and some former EU elements; the PT world building is mostly ignored;
- TFA uses locations, designs and vehicles from previous films, but is hardly adding anything new (even BB-8 stems from old drawings, other things such as Kylos sabre or outfit are from EU materials);
- The World Building and exposition is shoddy/non-existent: We do not get any idea how and why after RotJ we now have a Bigger, Bader & Dumber Empire again, or what the FO is and how the Republic and the Resistance work (I know: "Kids don't care", but grownups do...!);
- All of this is resulting in a stale and stagnant, seemingly shrinking universe ("Shrinking Universe" complaint);
2. CHARACTERS: the character portrayals and actions are incongruent with their character backgrounds;
- This includes racial stereotyping (mostly with Finn: "Droid Pease", runaway slave motive who is given a name by white dude, a black guy tasered by dog-like droid, while being accused of theft by white female, drinks with animals and is starngeled a lot, black guy turns out the janitor etc);
- Blatant Mary Sue writing, which is the writing’s central problem as it sucks out competence and believability of characters and events (e.g., infamous Rey/Leia hug scene);
- Old canon characters act out of character and their former arcs and development are ignored; they only serve to glorify/legitimize the new characters;
* fun fact: that even applies to spaceships, e.g., the Millenium Falcon should be the most famous, recognizable, priceless museum-piece in the universe, but is just standing around like "garbage";
- characters are overpowered or too weak, resulting in Video Game like scenes,
*such as Poe shooting down more than 10 Tie Fighters plus ground groups within one take, or
* Rey saving the day in any situation with untrained ad hoc abilities, including Force power-ups, especially when defeating the main antagonist;
* The (trained-from-childhood) soldier Finn is just an incompetent black bumbling fool, and he is finally revealed to be a space janitor (sanatation worker) – he seems mainly to be there to show that other characters are superior - e.g., cannot fly ships, cannot operate turrets, cannot understand languages, cannot fight, must be rescued all the time etc;
* Some characters such as Kylo are inconsistent, first extremely powerful, then pathetically weak (when facing the untrained scavenger Rey). His inner conflict is poorly developed: e.g., he actually prays to Vader to protect him from the light (!) - thus the guy who is famous for having been redeemed from evil, and having destroyed the Sith/dark side, and who is spooking around as a light side Force ghost...
- The father/son relationship is badly developed; we never see Han/Ben interact before as father and son, or get an understanding that Kylo is really struggling with having to kill his father – his motivation for going dark side is murky at best;
- The bad guys are poorly underwritten and just pale imitations of previous baddies (Snoke-Emperor, Hux-Tarkin, Captain Phasma-BobaFett)
3. STORYLINE/SCRIPT:
- The main story line is broken: first it's about getting a map and finding Luke, then it's suddenly about destroying Death Star III (no inner connection) - the map-plot is then suddenly resolved by a deus ex machina event (R2 conveniently awakening, having the map and nobody ever thought of looking in Luke's left-behind droid R2...);
- The scrip excels at creating logical inconstancies/plot holes, (e.g. Han taking BB-8 into Maz's cantina, resulting in it’s destruction), deus ex machina events, convenient coincidents, and plain old bad writing - e.g., the sword fight starts with a plot hole and ends with a deus ex machina earth hole (chasm ridiculously and conveniently opening to save Kylo from Rey), in between lies bad writing violating common sense, the established lore and Force rules.
- The dialog is badly writing and laughable (got a boyfriend cute boyfriend?), often just created to create cheap lowbrow humor;
- All about Death Star 3, including physics and its workings, is blatantly unoriginal and stupid;
- The map subplot is beyond absurd and convoluted (since when do you define destinations in space by directions but not coordinates - but let's not even get started on this!).
4. EXECUTION:
- Lot of the CGI is shoddy, the dogfights look like video games, characters like Snoke, the tentacle monsters or Maz look fake;
- The direction is rushed (relentless pacing);
- There is a propensity for overacting, especially with the new characters.
- The action scenes and set pieces are just adequate – there is nothing remotely as iconic as in the OT (DS trench run, AT-AT attack, speeder bike race/DS attack) or even the PT (pod race, Clone War/Geonosis battle, Coruscant battle etc);
- The music is just adequate, like the film lacking the old inspiration for the most part;
- Many many nitpicks/ ”lens flares”
This. Even though JJ not doing episode 8, I'm still worried about it, especially when Mark Hamill said he didn't like the approach their taking with Luke. Is Luke going to be the Yoda of this new trilogy? |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 21, 2017 19:35:53 GMT
Nah, I think it deserved the praise it got. It's a great movie. An example of a movie that critics went easy on would be Ghostbusters 2016.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 21, 2017 20:28:16 GMT
This. Even though JJ not doing episode 8, I'm still worried about it, especially when Mark Hamill said he didn't like the approach their taking with Luke. Is Luke going to be the Yoda of this new trilogy? Maybe? They rehashed everything else, so might as well. He'll probably die from old age or some stupid shit like that. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 21, 2017 20:36:50 GMT
Is Luke going to be the Yoda of this new trilogy? Maybe? They rehashed everything else, so might as well. He'll probably die from old age or some stupid shit like that. lol, the fans would riot, that would be so incredibly lame. And don't forget Maz Butthole-Eyes, she is the new orange Yoda too, let her die of old age off-screen and between movies, nobody would care. |
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Post by dazz on Sept 21, 2017 22:22:46 GMT
Going back to the OP's question, yeah I think this film had people going easy on it to a degree, no where near the extent Star Wars in general has because my god that franchise, which btw I really love, but Star Wars is the most overrated franchise ever imo, Wonder Woman is a good CBM but that's it, it's run of the mill good CBM with the gender roles reversed and nothing more.
Even certain messages in the film are countered by the film itself, as silly as it is the actually message to this film isn't a empowering message to women but to demi-gods, Diana is the only woman who can make change and she's part god, the other Amazonians got relatively slaughtered by a few boats of WW1 era Germans, the Amazons only win out because they had a lot more of them than there were germans, so basically female warrior's trained since childhood are no match for a few row boats of men with guns, in the same universe where Batman can physically outmatch and take down a dozen or more heavily armed mercs with top of the line military 2016 quality weapons, I mean it's silly but true.
But people did imo take it easy on Wonder Woman, and not so much in how people overall graded it, I would say mostly people maybe rounded up instead of grading it accurately, at worst I say it received a 0.4 boost to it's actual worth which is still keeping it well into the 7/10 score, I think more so people when discussing the film overly gushed about it needlessly, and just didn't fairly point out the films flaws which even the equally rated film SMH did have, but WW not so much.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 21, 2017 23:43:16 GMT
Its up online in clear copy (yeah, sue me ) and I decided to watch it again and I did. And it's a great film and it deserves all the praise it gets, but right after the beach battle, I kinda had the "Star Wars: Force Awakens" effect on me. What I mean by that is that the Force Awakens is a pretty good film, and I think the general consensus is that it's better than the prequel trilogy and that's why the Force Awakens got all its love and praise and crushed the box office numbers. However, when I saw it again, I just remember thinking to myself I don't want to sit thru this because it is a bit of a task to sit thru and yeah, eventually people realized it was kinda a reboot of A New Hope. I had that effect with Wonder Woman. I think fans were glad DC finally managed to make a good film and lied to themselves by calling it perfect because the previous films were shit. I just remember sitting thru it and thinking, get me to the trench scene and then after the trench scene, it does lackluster in place and unable to pick back up properly and by the end with Ares, I was hardly paying attention because I don't think it was executed that well and they really miscast Ares. He really is no worst or better than your average Marvel villain. He's just there to serve as a foil rather than having a decent motive and story. But it was essentially like a generic video game boss fight that unfortunately every superhero film is falling thru. It really isn't a perfect film like most are making it out to be I can sort of agree, but they did a redo of Episode 4 because after the Prequels they needed something familiar to win people back with. Saying they'd try to be "different" would've turned people off because they'd be reminded of the Prequels. As for WW, yes they did go easy on it because it was a decent film that came after the utter crap DCEU has been putting out. WW is basically an MCU movie only not in the MCU. It is pretty amusing that the DC fans say that the MCU is bad for not making it to the top 250...when the only CBMs there are the ones with the artificial boosters (Nolan movies, WW). |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 22, 2017 0:12:58 GMT
Its up online in clear copy (yeah, sue me ) and I decided to watch it again and I did. And it's a great film and it deserves all the praise it gets, but right after the beach battle, I kinda had the "Star Wars: Force Awakens" effect on me. What I mean by that is that the Force Awakens is a pretty good film, and I think the general consensus is that it's better than the prequel trilogy and that's why the Force Awakens got all its love and praise and crushed the box office numbers. However, when I saw it again, I just remember thinking to myself I don't want to sit thru this because it is a bit of a task to sit thru and yeah, eventually people realized it was kinda a reboot of A New Hope. I had that effect with Wonder Woman. I think fans were glad DC finally managed to make a good film and lied to themselves by calling it perfect because the previous films were shit. I just remember sitting thru it and thinking, get me to the trench scene and then after the trench scene, it does lackluster in place and unable to pick back up properly and by the end with Ares, I was hardly paying attention because I don't think it was executed that well and they really miscast Ares. He really is no worst or better than your average Marvel villain. He's just there to serve as a foil rather than having a decent motive and story. But it was essentially like a generic video game boss fight that unfortunately every superhero film is falling thru. It really isn't a perfect film like most are making it out to be I just recently watched it for the 4th time (picked up the Blu-ray) and I have to say I.... possibly. Granted before Wonder Woman there wasn't any good female starring comic book film, so I would say that the reaction to it was simply because we finally got a super heroin that was actually good and not a collosal piece of shit like Catwoman and Elektra. I made a post about how Diana compassion and love, her optimism for mankind was something I really appreciated and I gave it big props for that, but it wasn't a perfect film. Ares was a pretty disappointing vilian and came off as something marvel would have done. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Sept 22, 2017 12:41:02 GMT
This post is 100% true. I enjoyed Wonder Woman. It is a good movie. However, it is not great or some masterpiece like many make it out to be. This is especially apparent on rewatch. Much of the movie actually falls flat, especially towards the end. I still liked it though, don't get me wrong, but I like SMHC a little better. Neither were near perfect though or anywhere near the level of films like The Dark Knight or The Winter Soldier.
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Post by ThatGuy on Sept 22, 2017 17:33:27 GMT
Its up online in clear copy (yeah, sue me ) and I decided to watch it again and I did. And it's a great film and it deserves all the praise it gets, but right after the beach battle, I kinda had the "Star Wars: Force Awakens" effect on me. What I mean by that is that the Force Awakens is a pretty good film, and I think the general consensus is that it's better than the prequel trilogy and that's why the Force Awakens got all its love and praise and crushed the box office numbers. However, when I saw it again, I just remember thinking to myself I don't want to sit thru this because it is a bit of a task to sit thru and yeah, eventually people realized it was kinda a reboot of A New Hope. I had that effect with Wonder Woman. I think fans were glad DC finally managed to make a good film and lied to themselves by calling it perfect because the previous films were shit. I just remember sitting thru it and thinking, get me to the trench scene and then after the trench scene, it does lackluster in place and unable to pick back up properly and by the end with Ares, I was hardly paying attention because I don't think it was executed that well and they really miscast Ares. He really is no worst or better than your average Marvel villain. He's just there to serve as a foil rather than having a decent motive and story. But it was essentially like a generic video game boss fight that unfortunately every superhero film is falling thru. It really isn't a perfect film like most are making it out to be Yes, it was a form of Stockholm Syndrome. The DCEU is like getting punched in the face a couple times then flicked in the ear. Getting flicked in the ear is like the best thing in the world after getting those 2 punches to the face. It also did the same thing that TFA did in using another similar movie and changing the story (not the plot) just a bit for those characters. Wonder Woman was basically Captain America: The First Avenger. I'm really glad that HISHE put that out there in their WW vid. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 22, 2017 19:01:03 GMT
the other Amazonians got relatively slaughtered by a few boats of WW1 era Germans, the Amazons only win out because they had a lot more of them than there were germans, so basically female warrior's trained since childhood are no match for a few row boats of men with guns, in the same universe where Batman can physically outmatch and take down a dozen or more heavily armed mercs with top of the line military 2016 quality weapons, I mean it's silly but true.
Batman can prepare for armed mercs with top of the line military quality weapons. And don't forget, with his wealth, Batman can afford his own top of the line military quality defense weapons.
The Amazons had never seen guns and bullets before so there was no way to prepare for that. And no matter how skilled a warrior you are, having guns over swords and bows and arrows levels the battlefield.
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Post by damngumby on Sept 22, 2017 19:36:10 GMT
So true. The first time a real woman slides across an unfinished wooden floor in a micro-mini skirt, she'd going to be picking splinters from her thigh for a week.
They appear to be aware of the outside world yet they continue to train with severely outdated weapons. Not very bright.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 22, 2017 19:47:51 GMT
WW is basically an MCU movie only not in the MCU. LOL!!! You MCU fans are so jealous of Wonder Woman being the #1 movie of the summer and #2 movie of the year so far (behind only Beauty and the Beast) and the #1 Best Superhero Movie of All Time that you're trying to claim Wonder Woman as an MCU movie. But thankfully, Wonder Woman isn't an MCU movie and is nothing like an MCU movie. If Wonder Woman were an MCU movie, then the No Mans' Land scene would be filled with jokes and 1-liners, the scenes of the injured soldiers with amputated limbs would be filled with jokes and 1-liners, and the scene of women and children killed by the poisonous gas would be filled with jokes and 1-liners. Wonder Woman was able to balance the lighter moments with the more serious moments. MCU, which always treats war and people getting killed as a big joke, has never done that in 9 years and 17 movies. It is pretty amusing that the DC fans say that the MCU is bad for not making it to the top 250...when the only CBMs there are the ones with the artificial boosters (Nolan movies, WW). More jealously and more excuses for DC's success and MCU's failures. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 22, 2017 20:26:50 GMT
WW is basically an MCU movie only not in the MCU. LOL!!! You MCU fans are so jealous of Wonder Woman being the #1 movie of the summer and #2 movie of the year so far (behind only Beauty and the Beast) and the #1 Best Superhero Movie of All Time that you're trying to claim Wonder Woman as an MCU movie. But thankfully, Wonder Woman isn't an MCU movie and is nothing like an MCU movie. If Wonder Woman were an MCU movie, then the No Mans' Land scene would be filled with jokes and 1-liners, the scenes of the injured soldiers with amputated limbs would be filled with jokes and 1-liners, and the scene of women and children killed by the poisonous gas would be filled with jokes and 1-liners. Wonder Woman was able to balance the lighter moments with the more serious moments. MCU, which always treats war and people getting killed as a big joke, has never done that in 9 years and 17 movies. It is pretty amusing that the DC fans say that the MCU is bad for not making it to the top 250...when the only CBMs there are the ones with the artificial boosters (Nolan movies, WW). More jealously and more excuses for DC's success and MCU's failures. I fail to see how Marvel treats war like a joke. Going back to Iron Man. I didn't see them treating war like a joke, but in a serious matter, showing terrorists killing families and all kinds of messed up things. No 1-liners or jokes to be found. What is with it with you DC fans and humor? Are you guys allergic to humor or something? You must've hated the scenes with Etta Candy. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 22, 2017 21:28:20 GMT
WW is basically an MCU movie only not in the MCU. LOL!!! You MCU fans are so jealous of Wonder Woman being the #1 movie of the summer and #2 movie of the year so far (behind only Beauty and the Beast) and the #1 Best Superhero Movie of All Time that you're trying to claim Wonder Woman as an MCU movie. But thankfully, Wonder Woman isn't an MCU movie and is nothing like an MCU movie. If Wonder Woman were an MCU movie, then the No Mans' Land scene would be filled with jokes and 1-liners, the scenes of the injured soldiers with amputated limbs would be filled with jokes and 1-liners, and the scene of women and children killed by the poisonous gas would be filled with jokes and 1-liners. Wonder Woman was able to balance the lighter moments with the more serious moments. MCU, which always treats war and people getting killed as a big joke, has never done that in 9 years and 17 movies. It is pretty amusing that the DC fans say that the MCU is bad for not making it to the top 250...when the only CBMs there are the ones with the artificial boosters (Nolan movies, WW). More jealously and more excuses for DC's success and MCU's failures. WW's not the top anything, except the first decent female Superhero film. It's certainly not the top Summer movie or Top Movie of the Year. It's very much an MCU movie. The No Man's Land scene isn't anything special, and nowhere in the MCU was war ever made into a joke. You've never given ONE example of this, and you never will be able to because it's not true. WW's balance was derived from the MCU entirely. And yes, WW had plenty of artificial boosters to make it look more than mediocre. |
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Post by dazz on Sept 22, 2017 22:02:16 GMT
the other Amazonians got relatively slaughtered by a few boats of WW1 era Germans, the Amazons only win out because they had a lot more of them than there were germans, so basically female warrior's trained since childhood are no match for a few row boats of men with guns, in the same universe where Batman can physically outmatch and take down a dozen or more heavily armed mercs with top of the line military 2016 quality weapons, I mean it's silly but true.
Batman can prepare for armed mercs with top of the line military quality weapons. And don't forget, with his wealth, Batman can afford his own top of the line military quality defense weapons.
The Amazons had never seen guns and bullets before so there was no way to prepare for that. And no matter how skilled a warrior you are, having guns over swords and bows and arrows levels the battlefield.
They know what projectile weapons are, they use primitive ones themselves, but none of them think to approach a presumed hostile force with no means of defence, just purely offensive capabilities or even assume that maybe just maybe the outside world may have evolved in the 500 or more years they have been isolated.
Batman though can take out just as many men as the Amazonians fought on his own in a prolonged fight without getting shot so he doesn't need the tech as much to protect him his skill alone nullifies most of the danger he faces, the tech's just a precaution.
Also Diana never saw tanks or anti-aircraft weapons or cannons or mortar's but she could defend against them, why because she's a god not just a woman and that's my point...my silly point I make for shits and giggles, not an actual complaint I have just so ppl understand  .
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) and I decided to watch it again and I did. And it's a great film and it deserves all the praise it gets, but right after the beach battle, I kinda had the "Star Wars: Force Awakens" effect on me. What I mean by that is that the Force Awakens is a pretty good film, and I think the general consensus is that it's better than the prequel trilogy and that's why the Force Awakens got all its love and praise and crushed the box office numbers. However, when I saw it again, I just remember thinking to myself I don't want to sit thru this because it is a bit of a task to sit thru and yeah, eventually people realized it was kinda a reboot of A New Hope.
