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Post by moviebuffbrad on Sept 23, 2017 5:25:37 GMT
I think I actually enjoyed it more than the critics, since I didn't have a problem with the third act or Ares. He wasn't great or anything, but Thewlis is good and he fit the story without feeling shoved in just for a villain to fight (which is where he differs from most Marvel villains for me). He's the personification of everything Wonder Woman is fighting, and on that level, he works.
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Post by summers8 on Sept 23, 2017 5:39:04 GMT
Even if critics went easy on wonder woman why is it made into a big deal. Critics have been going easy on MCU movies from day 1....way way too easy on MCU movies.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 23, 2017 15:19:04 GMT
Not at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 16:50:30 GMT
Of course they did. Its as paint-by-numbers as it gets. Yes, its a decent movie, but that's it.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 23, 2017 16:58:49 GMT
I think I actually enjoyed it more than the critics, since I didn't have a problem with the third act or Ares. He wasn't great or anything, but Thewlis is good and he fit the story without feeling shoved in just for a villain to fight (which is where he differs from most Marvel villains for me). He's the personification of everything Wonder Woman is fighting, and on that level, he works. dude, we can agree for once. WW fights the war and human evil itself, and Ares as a person is just the corporal embodiment of the things she fights during the film. Thewlis was good and I think as a concept Ares was a good villain too. Especially for an origin movie where the villains tend to be...forgettable.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 23, 2017 18:03:47 GMT
Its up online in clear copy (yeah, sue me ) I've watched over 75% of MCU movies online, yet MCU fans always complain about me watching MCU movies online instead of in the theaters. I think fans were glad DC finally managed to make a good film and lied to themselves by calling it perfect It really isn't a perfect film like most are making it out to be It isn't perfect. No CBM is perfect. But Wonder Woman is flawless. It's like Villanova's win over Georgetown in the 1985 National Championship Game. Villanova shot 78.6%, including 90% in the 2nd half. It wasn't perfect, but it was flawless. And Wonder Woman is flawless. Wonder Woman is the best CBM of the year and best CBM since The Dark Knight in 2008.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 23, 2017 19:30:40 GMT
Even if critics went easy on wonder woman why is it made into a big deal. Critics have been going easy on MCU movies from day 1....way way too easy on MCU movies. Nope, the MCU gets critiqued fairly.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 23, 2017 20:48:41 GMT
Even if critics went easy on wonder woman why is it made into a big deal. Critics have been going easy on MCU movies from day 1....way way too easy on MCU movies. Not really, the MCU's been under attack from day one for not conforming to the "Norman" of popular CBM characteristics (being "grounded", the villains being the stars of the show, etc). That the MCU was able to persevere and not sell out is a sign that the critics weren't easy on them.
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Post by Peter B. Parker on Sept 24, 2017 7:10:14 GMT
WW is basically an MCU movie only not in the MCU. LOL!!! You MCU fans are so jealous of Wonder Woman being the #1 movie of the summer and #2 movie of the year so far (behind only Beauty and the Beast) and the #1 Best Superhero Movie of All Time that you're trying to claim Wonder Woman as an MCU movie. But thankfully, Wonder Woman isn't an MCU movie and is nothing like an MCU movie. If Wonder Woman were an MCU movie, then the No Mans' Land scene would be filled with jokes and 1-liners, the scenes of the injured soldiers with amputated limbs would be filled with jokes and 1-liners, and the scene of women and children killed by the poisonous gas would be filled with jokes and 1-liners. Wonder Woman was able to balance the lighter moments with the more serious moments. MCU, which always treats war and people getting killed as a big joke, has never done that in 9 years and 17 movies. It is pretty amusing that the DC fans say that the MCU is bad for not making it to the top 250...when the only CBMs there are the ones with the artificial boosters (Nolan movies, WW). More jealously and more excuses for DC's success and MCU's failures. You say that the MCU is crap, yet you said MCU 7 times in that post. I think you might have an obsession with the MCU.
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Post by dnno1 on Sept 25, 2017 17:30:43 GMT
Its up online in clear copy (yeah, sue me ) and I decided to watch it again and I did. And it's a great film and it deserves all the praise it gets, but right after the beach battle, I kinda had the "Star Wars: Force Awakens" effect on me. What I mean by that is that the Force Awakens is a pretty good film, and I think the general consensus is that it's better than the prequel trilogy and that's why the Force Awakens got all its love and praise and crushed the box office numbers. However, when I saw it again, I just remember thinking to myself I don't want to sit thru this because it is a bit of a task to sit thru and yeah, eventually people realized it was kinda a reboot of A New Hope. I had that effect with Wonder Woman. I think fans were glad DC finally managed to make a good film and lied to themselves by calling it perfect because the previous films were shit. I just remember sitting thru it and thinking, get me to the trench scene and then after the trench scene, it does lackluster in place and unable to pick back up properly and by the end with Ares, I was hardly paying attention because I don't think it was executed that well and they really miscast Ares. He really is no worst or better than your average Marvel villain. He's just there to serve as a foil rather than having a decent motive and story. But it was essentially like a generic video game boss fight that unfortunately every superhero film is falling thru. It really isn't a perfect film like most are making it out to be The Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences are all fans an they are considering Wonder Woman for an award. I don't think people are lying to themselves. Wonder Woman was a great film... better than Arival.
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Post by dazz on Sept 25, 2017 17:56:27 GMT
I thought DC/WB are trying to campaign for a spot not that they academy are actually considering it, also something like WW is going to get support based on agenda more so than merit, WW is a good comic book movie, it's not a great film, it's not even a good film but an ok one, but even as far as CBM's go it's not even great then.
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Post by dnno1 on Sept 25, 2017 21:58:39 GMT
I thought DC/WB are trying to campaign for a spot not that they academy are actually considering it, also something like WW is going to get support based on agenda more so than merit, WW is a good comic book movie, it's not a great film, it's not even a good film but an ok one, but even as far as CBM's go it's not even great then. There was an article a few months ago that said that they screened it to members of the Academy, and some of those interviewed after the screening said that it should be considered. That wasn't the WB, it was members of the Academy.
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Post by poelzig on Sept 25, 2017 22:09:55 GMT
Nah, I think it deserved the praise it got. It's a great movie. An example of a movie that critics went easy on would be Ghostbusters 2016. Or spideys homecoming dance courtesy of the large black cast. The few critics who dared admit it was mediocre at best were branded racists. Just like the critics who admitted Ghostbusters 2016 was crap were branded misogynists.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 25, 2017 22:12:47 GMT
Nah, I think it deserved the praise it got. It's a great movie. An example of a movie that critics went easy on would be Ghostbusters 2016. Or spideys homecoming dance courtesy of the large black cast. It had one major black character, Zendaya was mixed. Try harder.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 25, 2017 22:21:02 GMT
Nah, I think it deserved the praise it got. It's a great movie. An example of a movie that critics went easy on would be Ghostbusters 2016. Or spideys homecoming dance courtesy of the large black cast. The few critics who dared admit it was mediocre at best were branded racists. Just like the critics who admitted Ghostbusters 2016 was crap were branded misogynists. Yeah, no. And the cast wasn't largely black, only 2 cast members were black; Donald Glover and Bokeem Woodbine who played Shocker. Zendaya is mixed. I don't recall any critics that were branded racists when the film came out.
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Post by dazz on Sept 25, 2017 23:06:26 GMT
I thought DC/WB are trying to campaign for a spot not that they academy are actually considering it, also something like WW is going to get support based on agenda more so than merit, WW is a good comic book movie, it's not a great film, it's not even a good film but an ok one, but even as far as CBM's go it's not even great then. There was an article a few months ago that said that they screened it to members of the Academy, and some of those interviewed after the screening said that it should be considered. That wasn't the WB, it was members of the Academy. Ok sorry I thought you meant seriously being considered, like it's currently rumoured to be among the academies shortlist, this is just a handful of peoples immediate reaction after seeing the film after it debuted, a film which is a very important in it's genre but not outstanding in it either, also with the oscar movie season just getting started whether anyone seriously is considering it now still or will be in 2 months time is debatable.
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Post by poelzig on Sept 25, 2017 23:15:18 GMT
But as the black community and silly white liberals constantly remind us, if a person has a drop of African blood then they be black.
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Post by dnno1 on Sept 26, 2017 18:30:28 GMT
There was an article a few months ago that said that they screened it to members of the Academy, and some of those interviewed after the screening said that it should be considered. That wasn't the WB, it was members of the Academy. Ok sorry I thought you meant seriously being considered, like it's currently rumoured to be among the academies shortlist, this is just a handful of peoples immediate reaction after seeing the film after it debuted, a film which is a very important in it's genre but not outstanding in it either, also with the oscar movie season just getting started whether anyone seriously is considering it now still or will be in 2 months time is debatable.
I think that the WB is in the know and they wouldn't try to put a film up for consideration unless it had a good shot at least getting a nomination.
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Post by dazz on Sept 26, 2017 18:49:29 GMT
Ok sorry I thought you meant seriously being considered, like it's currently rumoured to be among the academies shortlist, this is just a handful of peoples immediate reaction after seeing the film after it debuted, a film which is a very important in it's genre but not outstanding in it either, also with the oscar movie season just getting started whether anyone seriously is considering it now still or will be in 2 months time is debatable.
I think that the WB is in the know and they wouldn't try to put a film up for consideration unless it had a good shot at least getting a nomination. Not necessarily WB doesn't know what quality the other studios films are that haven't came out yet, also studios do misjudge things, a few years ago iirc WB thought In The Heart Of The Sea was prime award material so they held it back 9 months, the film got an iffy critical reception, shitty box office and no real award buzz.
WB/DC probably see the political climate being ripe to try and get this into award contention, but again that goes out the window if in the next few months better films in general come out let alone better films that hit those same notes.
Also a awards campaign can be used to do more than just campaign for an award, a award campaign will promote the character who they are promoting JL with which gives JL more of the positive PR of WW and less the negative PR of BVS.
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