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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 14:15:40 GMT
How come the critics like it and the fans seem to hate it? Rough guess, the studio have been paying off the critics for some time now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
Is it so much to ask to just keep the camera level? Yes it is. It's also too much to ask to turn the damn lights on so people can see what they're doing, to set the show in the prime universe, to hire good actors, to write good scripts...
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Post by johnblutarsky on Sept 27, 2017 16:00:20 GMT
I didn't know what to make of the show during my first watch of the premiere. I know I didn't like the look and forced speech of the "new" Klingons.
I watched the premiere again, so I could catch the things that I missed the first time. I liked the episode better the second time around (except for the Klingon mess - mentioned above).
A lot of shows don't hit their stride until they have several episodes under their belt. I'll give this show a fair chance. They didn't even scratch the surface on most of the characters yet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 19:13:56 GMT
Well, the first two episodes are supposed to introduce us to Michael before we even get to the USS Discovery.
The problem is, she was probably the least likable character.
But I definitely liked the more epic feel.
I know some fans just want more TNG but I'm sorry, that couldn't happen; get over it.
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Post by ryboto on Sept 27, 2017 19:54:34 GMT
I just didn't want shit. It was a lot of shit. Force field everything! I thought ships just exploded or fell apart when they had that many hull breaches?
The damn phasers...it was just..so..bad. Not even sure I can finish the second episode..got half way through and decided to sleep instead.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Sept 27, 2017 20:15:19 GMT
I just didn't want shit. It was a lot of shit. Force field everything! I thought ships just exploded or fell apart when they had that many hull breaches?
The damn phasers...it was just..so..bad. Not even sure I can finish the second episode..got half way through and decided to sleep instead. I'd choose sleep over this each and EVERY time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 13:28:40 GMT
Well, the first two episodes are supposed to introduce us to Michael before we even get to the USS Discovery. The problem is, she was probably the least likable character. Apparently they're going to have the Discovery Captain get her out of jail in the next episode. Thing is... I can't imagine why. There's a line in the preview that comes across as "poor me, everyone is blaming me for the war". Um, then everyone would be right. The war is her fault. She caused it through her disloyalty and incompetence. I get the impression the writers think we are rooting for her to get out of jail and show them all how great she is. But... I don't want her out of jail. Why would I? She's guilty of the crime she's in there for. Jail is where she belongs. She SHOULD be in jail. Hmm, I didn't notice a more epic feel myself. No, but I would have settled for something as good as TNG. Or as good as TOS.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Sept 29, 2017 19:05:38 GMT
Well, the first two episodes are supposed to introduce us to Michael before we even get to the USS Discovery. The problem is, she was probably the least likable character. Apparently they're going to have the Discovery Captain get her out of jail in the next episode. Thing is... I can't imagine why. There's a line in the preview that comes across as "poor me, everyone is blaming me for the war". Um, then everyone would be right. The war is her fault. She caused it through her disloyalty and incompetence.I get the impression the writers think we are rooting for her to get out of jail and show them all how great she is. But... I don't want her out of jail. Why would I? She's guilty of the crime she's in there for. Jail is where she belongs. She SHOULD be in jail. She is of course guilty of insubordination, but how do you figure that the war is her fault? Ultimately her actions did not have any effect, did they? Or have I already forgotten what happened in the series premiere?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 20:30:41 GMT
Apparently they're going to have the Discovery Captain get her out of jail in the next episode. Thing is... I can't imagine why. There's a line in the preview that comes across as "poor me, everyone is blaming me for the war". Um, then everyone would be right. The war is her fault. She caused it through her disloyalty and incompetence.I get the impression the writers think we are rooting for her to get out of jail and show them all how great she is. But... I don't want her out of jail. Why would I? She's guilty of the crime she's in there for. Jail is where she belongs. She SHOULD be in jail. She is of course guilty of insubordination, but how do you figure that the war is her fault? Ultimately her actions did not have any effect, did they? Or have I already forgotten what happened in the series premiere? Their plan was to capture T'Kuvma, because nothing would discredit a Klingon like being captured. That was Burnham's own idea! And then because he killed her Captain, she deliberately flipped her phaser to kill and killed him instead. She had a chance to prevent the war, and she blew it because she was angry.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Sept 29, 2017 20:45:29 GMT
She is of course guilty of insubordination, but how do you figure that the war is her fault? Ultimately her actions did not have any effect, did they? Or have I already forgotten what happened in the series premiere? Their plan was to capture T'Kuvma, because nothing would discredit a Klingon like being captured. That was Burnham's own idea! And then because he killed her Captain, she deliberately flipped her phaser to kill and killed him instead. She had a chance to prevent the war, and she blew it because she was angry. Oh, that. OK. I was thinking of what had happened earlier, when she knocked out the captain so that she could give the order to fire at the Klingon ship, thinking that a show of force would be the best way to stop the Klingons on their track.
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Post by azzajones on Sept 30, 2017 22:01:38 GMT
I can't help but think the story line could've easily been re-tooled to work as a post Voyager/Nemesis show.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 1, 2017 7:53:21 GMT
ST is finally back where it belongs. And I liked it: 7/10.
The pilot episodes showed impressive production values and some solid acting. Allegedly the coming episodes are even better with some levity. I'm intrigued as to where this is boldly going vi-a-vis JJ Trek rehashing and retracking the merits of the past (if it is continued).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 16:35:04 GMT
She is of course guilty of insubordination, but how do you figure that the war is her fault? Ultimately her actions did not have any effect, did they? Or have I already forgotten what happened in the series premiere? Their plan was to capture T'Kuvma, because nothing would discredit a Klingon like being captured. That was Burnham's own idea! And then because he killed her Captain, she deliberately flipped her phaser to kill and killed him instead. She had a chance to prevent the war, and she blew it because she was angry. How would capturing T'Kuvma prevent war? The 24 houses made it clear they weren't impressed with him as the man to bring the Klingons together. Capturing him demonstrates that he wasn't the man for the job. But so does killing him. I know the episode insinuated that if he dies, he becomes a martyr to rally around but that doesn't actually make any sense given that they thought he was essentially a berk. As an explanation for the war with the Klingons, it was pretty wafer thin.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 23:04:49 GMT
Their plan was to capture T'Kuvma, because nothing would discredit a Klingon like being captured. That was Burnham's own idea! And then because he killed her Captain, she deliberately flipped her phaser to kill and killed him instead. She had a chance to prevent the war, and she blew it because she was angry. How would capturing T'Kuvma prevent war? The 24 houses made it clear they weren't impressed with him as the man to bring the Klingons together. Capturing him demonstrates that he wasn't the man for the job. But so does killing him. I know the episode insinuated that if he dies, he becomes a martyr to rally around but that doesn't actually make any sense given that they thought he was essentially a berk. As an explanation for the war with the Klingons, it was pretty wafer thin. They weren't interested in him at first, but they did indeed unite behind him, like it or not. Capturing him would discredit him and his cause of fighting the Federation, according to Burnham and Georgiou. That's the basis they proceeded on - else there'd be no reason to have gone aboard his ship in the first place. (Speaking of that... why didn't they take half a dozen security guys along with them? For that matter, why did Georgiou take Burnham, who is under arrest for mutiny, on a mission? Take somebody else! Anybody else!)
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Post by ryboto on Oct 2, 2017 1:44:50 GMT
How would capturing T'Kuvma prevent war? The 24 houses made it clear they weren't impressed with him as the man to bring the Klingons together. Capturing him demonstrates that he wasn't the man for the job. But so does killing him. I know the episode insinuated that if he dies, he becomes a martyr to rally around but that doesn't actually make any sense given that they thought he was essentially a berk. As an explanation for the war with the Klingons, it was pretty wafer thin. They weren't interested in him at first, but they did indeed unite behind him, like it or not. Capturing him would discredit him and his cause of fighting the Federation, according to Burnham and Georgiou. That's the basis they proceeded on - else there'd be no reason to have gone aboard his ship in the first place. (Speaking of that... why didn't they take half a dozen security guys along with them? For that matter, why did Georgiou take Burnham, who is under arrest for mutiny, on a mission? Take somebody else! Anybody else!) Who's going to watch this shit for me and review it so I don't have to pirate it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 19:29:23 GMT
Saw episode three. I really like it. Its Trek the way Trek should be. And Discovey looks like an intruiging ship. Yes Im excited for this show.
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Post by johnblutarsky on Oct 2, 2017 21:31:06 GMT
Netflix in the U.S. doesn't seem to have the episodes.
I'm not paying a monthly fee for the CBS streaming service.
Is there any other way to see the show?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 23:01:15 GMT
Context is for KingsEnjoyable. I anticipate people hating Tilly but I loved her. We need more characters like that especially as a counterpoint to people like Stamets (who I also loved) and the idea of getting deeper into the war is intriguing. There are problems but I'm on board.
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Post by azzajones on Oct 3, 2017 9:38:55 GMT
After Trek is too long, CBS should cut it in half.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Oct 3, 2017 20:31:02 GMT
Context is for KingsEnjoyable. I anticipate people hating Tilly but I loved her. We need more characters like that especially as a counterpoint to people like Stamets (who I also loved) and the idea of getting deeper into the war is intriguing. There are problems but I'm on board. I loved Tilly too. Of the top of my head I can't remember a neurotic Star Trek character - maybe the holographic doctor on Voyager, to some extent, but that was different. I will certainly keep watching. As you say, there are problems, but not big enough that they can't be overlooked.
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