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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 27, 2017 10:55:07 GMT
So slavery is the same thing as the crimes of child sexual abuse, physical abuse and neglect (or whatever not sending them to school is classified as in a given locale) in that case? And forced to work. Did you deliberately leave it out in your post? I intentionally left that out. It's not a crime, it's nothing new, and hopefully it's not now unusual for kids to do chores. Maybe we're talking about more than doing chores, but that's not clear from the description.
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Post by islandmur on Sept 28, 2017 15:54:54 GMT
And forced to work. Did you deliberately leave it out in your post? I intentionally left that out. It's not a crime, it's nothing new, and hopefully it's not now unusual for kids to do chores. Maybe we're talking about more than doing chores, but that's not clear from the description. Waking up at 4 am to go get water for the family when you are 6 years old is not doing chores, cooking for the whole family 3 meals a day when you are between 6 and 10 is not doing chores, cleaning the whole house from top to bottom, doing the laundry, going to bed past 10 pm everyday and doing nothing but work from 4 am to x pm, sleeping on the floor not having even a mattress, is not doing chores... Restaveks are child slaves they have no free time, they are not paid, they are not taken care of and they work all day and often into the night. Look it up.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 28, 2017 16:00:27 GMT
I intentionally left that out. It's not a crime, it's nothing new, and hopefully it's not now unusual for kids to do chores. Maybe we're talking about more than doing chores, but that's not clear from the description. Waking up at 4 am to go get water for the family when you are 6 years old is not doing chores, cooking for the whole family 3 meals a day when you are between 6 and 10 is not doing chores, cleaning the whole house from top to bottom, doing the laundry, going to bed past 10 pm everyday and doing nothing but work from 4 am to x pm, sleeping on the floor not having even a mattress, is not doing chores... Restaveks are child slaves they have no free time, they are not paid, they are not taken care of and they work all day and often into the night. Look it up. I'm not going to do research for you. If you want to try to convince me that they amount to slaves, point me to the data that you believe will convince me. It would be doing a service on my part to just look at the data you want me to look at. (And then I'll let you know ifit convinces me or not and I'll let you know why.) My grandfather woke up before dawn every day starting from when he was a little kid and did all sorts of chores, by the way (along with his eight brothers and sisters). He grew up on a farm. He wasn't a slave.
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Post by themanwithnoshame on Sept 28, 2017 20:00:33 GMT
Holy hell, look at all of those majority non-white, non-christian countries enslaving people! It's a conspiracy! Are they the same non-white countries whose resources had been sucked by gentle and well meaning white fellows who colonised those countries? Holy hell, look at those countries who were looted for years and left to themselves after being cheated. They sure are monsters, those non-whites. Still, us Indians and other colonized nations had it better than Native Americans or Australian Aborigines.
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Post by islandmur on Sept 28, 2017 20:38:37 GMT
Waking up at 4 am to go get water for the family when you are 6 years old is not doing chores, cooking for the whole family 3 meals a day when you are between 6 and 10 is not doing chores, cleaning the whole house from top to bottom, doing the laundry, going to bed past 10 pm everyday and doing nothing but work from 4 am to x pm, sleeping on the floor not having even a mattress, is not doing chores... Restaveks are child slaves they have no free time, they are not paid, they are not taken care of and they work all day and often into the night. Look it up. I'm not going to do research for you. If you want to try to convince me that they amount to slaves, point me to the data that you believe will convince me. It would be doing a service on my part to just look at the data you want me to look at. (And then I'll let you know ifit convinces me or not and I'll let you know why.) My grandfather woke up before dawn every day starting from when he was a little kid and did all sorts of chores, by the way (along with his eight brothers and sisters). He grew up on a farm. He wasn't a slave. That's rich, my research is my country where I live it's called Haiti and I work with rescued restaveks so really I know what i'm talking about. Was your grandfather also starved? slept on the floor? abused? restricted for leaving the house? had no self time? no school? I'm not trying to convince you of anything because you have already decided that there is no slavery and the way your mind seems to work is to twist everything to deny the fact that slavery is alive and well in modern times in certain countries.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 28, 2017 20:48:25 GMT
I'm not going to do research for you. If you want to try to convince me that they amount to slaves, point me to the data that you believe will convince me. It would be doing a service on my part to just look at the data you want me to look at. (And then I'll let you know ifit convinces me or not and I'll let you know why.) My grandfather woke up before dawn every day starting from when he was a little kid and did all sorts of chores, by the way (along with his eight brothers and sisters). He grew up on a farm. He wasn't a slave. That's rich, my research is my country where I live it's called Haiti and I work with rescued restaveks so really I know what i'm talking about. Was your grandfather also starved? slept on the floor? abused? restricted for leaving the house? had no self time? no school? I'm not trying to convince you of anything because you have already decided that there is no slavery and the way your mind seems to work is to twist everything to deny the fact that slavery is alive and well in modern times in certain countries. I thought on the old board you said you did something else for a living. (I was guessing you might have said that you were a teacher, but I don't recall for sure.) Anyway, there must be some literature that supports the idea of restaveks basically being slaves, no?
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Post by islandmur on Sept 28, 2017 21:00:07 GMT
That's rich, my research is my country where I live it's called Haiti and I work with rescued restaveks so really I know what i'm talking about. Was your grandfather also starved? slept on the floor? abused? restricted for leaving the house? had no self time? no school? I'm not trying to convince you of anything because you have already decided that there is no slavery and the way your mind seems to work is to twist everything to deny the fact that slavery is alive and well in modern times in certain countries. I thought on the old board you said you did something else for a living. (I was guessing you might have said that you were a teacher, but I don't recall for sure.) Anyway, there must be some literature that supports the idea of restaveks basically being slaves, no? No I'm not a teacher, I tutor kids and work with restaveks my full time job is in adverstising and communications. Working with kids is a hobby.
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Post by phludowin on Sept 28, 2017 21:32:28 GMT
Waking up at 4 am to go get water for the family when you are 6 years old is not doing chores, cooking for the whole family 3 meals a day when you are between 6 and 10 is not doing chores, cleaning the whole house from top to bottom, doing the laundry, going to bed past 10 pm everyday and doing nothing but work from 4 am to x pm, sleeping on the floor not having even a mattress, is not doing chores... Restaveks are child slaves they have no free time, they are not paid, they are not taken care of and they work all day and often into the night. Look it up. I'm not going to do research for you. If you want to try to convince me that they amount to slaves, point me to the data that you believe will convince me. It would be doing a service on my part to just look at the data you want me to look at. (And then I'll let you know ifit convinces me or not and I'll let you know why.) I wasn't too lazy to type "restavek" in Google, and got plenty of hits. www.nzz.ch/die_haussklaven_von_port-au-prince-1.3296692www.zeit.de/politik/2010-01/haiti-kinder-erdbebenwww.humanium.org/de/die-restavek-kinder-auf-haiti-ein-leben-in-moderner-sklaverei/
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 28, 2017 21:36:14 GMT
Are they the same non-white countries whose resources had been sucked by gentle and well meaning white fellows who colonised those countries? Holy hell, look at those countries who were looted for years and left to themselves after being cheated. They sure are monsters, those non-whites. Still, us Indians and other colonized nations had it better than Native Americans or Australian Aborigines. I agree. In their cases, white countries did an awesome job of nearly finishing the existence of Native Americans and Australian natives. That way it was easy to develop these countries after sharing the stolen land and becoming wealthy.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 28, 2017 21:51:07 GMT
I thought on the old board you said you did something else for a living. (I was guessing you might have said that you were a teacher, but I don't recall for sure.) Anyway, there must be some literature that supports the idea of restaveks basically being slaves, no? No I'm not a teacher, I tutor kids and work with restaveks my full time job is in adverstising and communications. Working with kids is a hobby. Hobbies are knitting or painting or collecting antiques. Doing what you do is a passion, and a worthy one. The people you help are fortunate to have your care, concern and actions.
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Post by althea on Oct 1, 2017 20:15:28 GMT
I think they're defining it as something mentioned on this thread as wage and debt slavery. The slaves get paid, but they are so heavily in debt that they'll never get out of it. I've never met anyone yet who claimed that there wasn't slavery in the world now. If you'd like to be the first, it would be something of a landmark. "Wage and debt slavery" is basically doublespeak with respect to the term "slavery." It has nothing to do with slavery a la blacks in the U.S. south, for example. Maybe there's actual slavery somewhere in the world today, but I doubt it, because to really be slavery, there would need to be a culture of it, otherwise it would be criminal instances of false imprisonment, which is different. You've never heard of sex slavery, or the trade in (predominately) women and children to use for prostitution?
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