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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 24, 2017 10:37:53 GMT
I was a little surprised and disappointed to see my country, the USA, coming in at #10 in the effort to destroy modern slavery. I was less surprised to see India as the #1 proponent of modern slavery.
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Post by permutojoe on Sept 24, 2017 14:00:45 GMT
We profit off of slavery when we maintain friendly relations with countries who build their system off the backs of slaves. I'm assuming you're talking about chattel slavery. As far as wage and debt slavery, the US is a huge direct proponent.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Sept 24, 2017 18:16:08 GMT
We profit off of slavery when we maintain friendly relations with countries who build their system off the backs of slaves. I'm assuming you're talking about chattel slavery. As far as wage and debt slavery, the US is a huge direct proponent. Not just wage and debt slavery. Thanks to the wonderful interaction between the "war on drugs", minority sentencing and the 13th amendment, we have literal forced labor in for-profit prisons. Think it's a coincidence we host around 716 prisoners per 100,000 people in the population, coming in at around 22 percent of the entire world's prison population? The war on drugs has been one of the most lucrative policies in existence for a good deal of suits in the US.
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Post by sublime92 on Sept 25, 2017 5:21:31 GMT
Holy hell, look at all of those majority non-white, non-christian countries enslaving people! It's a conspiracy!
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Post by cupcakes on Sept 25, 2017 5:37:27 GMT
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Post by thefleetsin on Sept 25, 2017 16:59:32 GMT
when tim tebow took to the knee
no one was crying out of bounds when tim tebow hit the ground supplicating his spirit father with the background sound of slaves as they simultaneously all went down.
sjw 09/25/17 inspired at this very moment in time by the master's whip and the dogma's chain.
from the 'blasphemy series' of poems
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 25, 2017 17:05:22 GMT
Wait a minute, people claim there is slavery now? Just how are they defining slavery?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 25, 2017 17:10:42 GMT
Wait a minute, people claim there is slavery now? Just how are they defining slavery? I think they're defining it as something mentioned on this thread as wage and debt slavery. The slaves get paid, but they are so heavily in debt that they'll never get out of it. I've never met anyone yet who claimed that there wasn't slavery in the world now. If you'd like to be the first, it would be something of a landmark.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 25, 2017 17:18:50 GMT
Wait a minute, people claim there is slavery now? Just how are they defining slavery? I think they're defining it as something mentioned on this thread as wage and debt slavery. The slaves get paid, but they are so heavily in debt that they'll never get out of it. I've never met anyone yet who claimed that there wasn't slavery in the world now. If you'd like to be the first, it would be something of a landmark. "Wage and debt slavery" is basically doublespeak with respect to the term "slavery." It has nothing to do with slavery a la blacks in the U.S. south, for example. Maybe there's actual slavery somewhere in the world today, but I doubt it, because to really be slavery, there would need to be a culture of it, otherwise it would be criminal instances of false imprisonment, which is different.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 25, 2017 17:26:04 GMT
I think they're defining it as something mentioned on this thread as wage and debt slavery. The slaves get paid, but they are so heavily in debt that they'll never get out of it. I've never met anyone yet who claimed that there wasn't slavery in the world now. If you'd like to be the first, it would be something of a landmark. "Wage and debt slavery" is basically doublespeak with respect to the term "slavery." It has nothing to do with slavery a la blacks in the U.S. south, for example. Maybe there's actual slavery somewhere in the world today, but I doubt it, because to really be slavery, there would need to be a culture of it, otherwise it would be criminal instances of false imprisonment, which is different. So.....if Southern planters had technically freed their black slaves and paid them a small wage while holding their debt, the North could have said, "That isn't actual slavery," and forgotten about the whole thing? Hey, maybe so. Weren't Northern mines and factories doing the same thing? It's kind of like slavery, but not really, right?
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 25, 2017 17:35:04 GMT
"Wage and debt slavery" is basically doublespeak with respect to the term "slavery." It has nothing to do with slavery a la blacks in the U.S. south, for example. Maybe there's actual slavery somewhere in the world today, but I doubt it, because to really be slavery, there would need to be a culture of it, otherwise it would be criminal instances of false imprisonment, which is different. So.....if Southern planters had technically freed their black slaves and paid them a small wage while holding their debt, the North could have said, "That isn't actual slavery," and forgotten about the whole thing? Hey, maybe so. Weren't Northern mines and factories doing the same thing? It's kind of like slavery, but not really, right? Yeah, if they're freed, they're not slaves.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 25, 2017 17:41:30 GMT
So.....if Southern planters had technically freed their black slaves and paid them a small wage while holding their debt, the North could have said, "That isn't actual slavery," and forgotten about the whole thing? Hey, maybe so. Weren't Northern mines and factories doing the same thing? It's kind of like slavery, but not really, right? Yeah, if they're freed, they're not slaves. Do you mean that seriously? If you do, then you don't need me. I think there's going to be plenty of other posters here to disagree with you.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 25, 2017 17:43:15 GMT
Yeah, if they're freed, they're not slaves. Do you mean that seriously? If you do, then you don't need me. I think there's going to be plenty of other posters here to disagree with you. Yes. I'm serious. Given what else I know about your views (or at least what I thought I knew about them), I'm a bit surprised that you've been drawn into Marxist doublespeak about "slavery."
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Sept 25, 2017 17:59:43 GMT
Do you mean that seriously? If you do, then you don't need me. I think there's going to be plenty of other posters here to disagree with you. Yes. I'm serious. Given what else I know about your views (or at least what I thought I knew about them), I'm a bit surprised that you've been drawn into Marxist doublespeak about "slavery." One need not have Marxist inclinations in order to call it what it is. That's a myth. I'm a bit surprised that you've been drawn into it. I despise Marxism, but this is just a form of slavery. Slavery was not eradicated in the 1800's. It morphed. It modernized.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Sept 25, 2017 18:07:37 GMT
Yes. I'm serious. Given what else I know about your views (or at least what I thought I knew about them), I'm a bit surprised that you've been drawn into Marxist doublespeak about "slavery." One need not have Marxist inclinations in order to call it what it is. That's a myth. I'm a bit surprised that you've been drawn into it. I despise Marxism, but this is just a form of slavery. Slavery was not eradicated in the 1800's. It morphed. It modernized. The whole "wage slavery" thing--the stock rhetoric that videos like the one you posted are engaging in--is purely Marxist in origin.
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Post by maya55555 on Sept 25, 2017 18:15:31 GMT
Are Marxists in favor of labor unions?
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Post by phludowin on Sept 25, 2017 18:54:20 GMT
Wait a minute, people claim there is slavery now? Just how are they defining slavery? There are several definitions around for modern slavery. I found this one by Googling "modern slavery definition". www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/modern-slavery/From what I read on Wikipedia, organizations like the United Nations or Terre des Hommes mostly agree with this. And I know that it happens in Europe.
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Post by permutojoe on Sept 26, 2017 12:17:38 GMT
Yes. I'm serious. Given what else I know about your views (or at least what I thought I knew about them), I'm a bit surprised that you've been drawn into Marxist doublespeak about "slavery." One need not have Marxist inclinations in order to call it what it is. That's a myth. I'm a bit surprised that you've been drawn into it. I despise Marxism, but this is just a form of slavery. Slavery was not eradicated in the 1800's. It morphed. It modernized. Exactly. Some people think they can just throw the word "Marxist" out there, associate it with what you're saying, and win the debate. This is the epitome of a brainwashed mind. Literally associating your position with one word. That's some seriously effective propaganda that people are letting into their brains.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 26, 2017 12:21:42 GMT
Holy hell, look at all of those majority non-white, non-christian countries enslaving people! It's a conspiracy! Are they the same non-white countries whose resources had been sucked by gentle and well meaning white fellows who colonised those countries? Holy hell, look at those countries who were looted for years and left to themselves after being cheated. They sure are monsters, those non-whites.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Sept 26, 2017 17:14:06 GMT
Wait a minute, people claim there is slavery now? Just how are they defining slavery? It might not be institutionalised, but absolutely there is. Have you been living under a rock?
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