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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 16:58:48 GMT
I spent some time counseling a 14 year old in the 'crisis stabilization unit' yesterday. (For those who don't know, that is a 72 hour hold for people who are either suicidal or displayed suicidal behavior e.g. cutting, hanging, etc..)
This specific client is a white female. She informed me she was 'pansexual'. Now, I had no idea what that term meant. She explained to me it was when a person falls in love with another person's personality. It has nothing to do with gender or physical attraction.
This began to make me think. If you are sexually attracted to a specific gender, then that is what you are attracted to. It doesn't matter how much you like someone from the opposing sex's personality, that just makes them a 'friend' doesn't it?
For example, I'm attracted to females. If I meet a guy and we get along, I'm not sexually attracted to him. So we are just friends because we share common interests.
Now to 'Transgender'. This also made me wonder if people are labeling things for the sake of explaining something in a different way. If you are a gay man, you were born a man and you are sexually attracted to other men. Now I understand when a man says he feels "like a woman' because of his interests, mannerisms, hobbies, tastes, and sexual orientation. However, he is biologically a man.
Is it simply a gay man (or woman) who has more in common with the opposite sex, therefore it's easier to say you are a woman trapped in a man's body, or a man trapped in a woman's body? It may be easier to identify as a woman as opposed to saying you are an effeminate male, or a butch female. There is a stigma attached to that for some reason.
Could 'transgender' simply be a case where a woman likes and even feels closer to being a man so she assumes she's actually a man, or a gay man feels more like a woman therefore he assumes "I must be a woman on the inside." There is no biological evidence to suggest he's a woman or she's a man.
Hermaphrodite is different altogether. I understand that. Biologically you are born with both a penis and a vagina, so when you hit puberty you can choose which one you relate to more and have one removed.
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Post by klandersen on Sept 27, 2017 20:01:53 GMT
Deep.
I see that you are concentrating on the mental side of things rather than the traditional physical side.
The thing about "Transgender" that bugs me is parents who allow their very young way pre-prepubescent children to go through with the gender transition. The child hasn't hit puberty yet. They might "feel" like they should be the other gender mentally because they like or feel more comfortable with the opposite gender but they haven't gotten their "sexuality" yet. They don't even know what is associated with sex or sexual feelings. How could they be certain that they want to swap genders at that time?
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Post by kevinandrew on Sept 28, 2017 0:16:02 GMT
Yes, but I would warn that male transgender is permanent? I just think there are some people completely decided on their gender roles. We may all be transgendered as well. Or that's dumb? (I'm definitely a male.)
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Sept 28, 2017 0:28:37 GMT
Hermaphrodite
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 29, 2017 13:58:57 GMT
I spent some time counseling a 14 year old in the 'crisis stabilization unit' yesterday. (For those who don't know, that is a 72 hour hold for people who are either suicidal or displayed suicidal behavior e.g. cutting, hanging, etc..) This specific client is a white female. She informed me she was 'pansexual'. Now, I had no idea what that term meant. She explained to me it was when a person falls in love with another person's personality. It has nothing to do with gender or physical attraction. This began to make me think. If you are sexually attracted to a specific gender, then that is what you are attracted to. It doesn't matter how much you like someone from the opposing sex's personality, that just makes them a 'friend' doesn't it? For example, I'm attracted to females. If I meet a guy and we get along, I'm not sexually attracted to him. So we are just friends because we share common interests. Now to 'Transgender'. This also made me wonder if people are labeling things for the sake of explaining something in a different way. If you are a gay man, you were born a man and you are sexually attracted to other men. Now I understand when a man says he feels "like a woman' because of his interests, mannerisms, hobbies, tastes, and sexual orientation. However, he is biologically a man. Is it simply a gay man (or woman) who has more in common with the opposite sex, therefore it's easier to say you are a woman trapped in a man's body, or a man trapped in a woman's body? It may be easier to identify as a woman as opposed to saying you are an effeminate male, or a butch female. There is a stigma attached to that for some reason. Could 'transgender' simply be a case where a woman likes and even feels closer to being a man so she assumes she's actually a man, or a gay man feels more like a woman therefore he assumes "I must be a woman on the inside." There is no biological evidence to suggest he's a woman or she's a man. Hermaphrodite is different altogether. I understand that. Biologically you are born with both a penis and a vagina, so when you hit puberty you can choose which one you relate to more and have one removed. As someone who works at a 'crisis stabilization unit' I hope you honestly have a better grasp on such issues than you're exhibiting here, and are more open minded to peoples real and genuine anguish. Whether or not you agree with the persons belief about themselves is not the point. The point is that they need help and are coming to you at one of the worst times in their lives. Your own opinions need to be set aside at that time. You're there for them, not the other way around.
On the other hand, good on you for doing that kind of work. In this world, we need people like you who care about other people. I hope its a rewarding experience for you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 14:08:19 GMT
I spent some time counseling a 14 year old in the 'crisis stabilization unit' yesterday. (For those who don't know, that is a 72 hour hold for people who are either suicidal or displayed suicidal behavior e.g. cutting, hanging, etc..) This specific client is a white female. She informed me she was 'pansexual'. Now, I had no idea what that term meant. She explained to me it was when a person falls in love with another person's personality. It has nothing to do with gender or physical attraction. This began to make me think. If you are sexually attracted to a specific gender, then that is what you are attracted to. It doesn't matter how much you like someone from the opposing sex's personality, that just makes them a 'friend' doesn't it? For example, I'm attracted to females. If I meet a guy and we get along, I'm not sexually attracted to him. So we are just friends because we share common interests. Now to 'Transgender'. This also made me wonder if people are labeling things for the sake of explaining something in a different way. If you are a gay man, you were born a man and you are sexually attracted to other men. Now I understand when a man says he feels "like a woman' because of his interests, mannerisms, hobbies, tastes, and sexual orientation. However, he is biologically a man. Is it simply a gay man (or woman) who has more in common with the opposite sex, therefore it's easier to say you are a woman trapped in a man's body, or a man trapped in a woman's body? It may be easier to identify as a woman as opposed to saying you are an effeminate male, or a butch female. There is a stigma attached to that for some reason. Could 'transgender' simply be a case where a woman likes and even feels closer to being a man so she assumes she's actually a man, or a gay man feels more like a woman therefore he assumes "I must be a woman on the inside." There is no biological evidence to suggest he's a woman or she's a man. Hermaphrodite is different altogether. I understand that. Biologically you are born with both a penis and a vagina, so when you hit puberty you can choose which one you relate to more and have one removed. As someone who works at a 'crisis stabilization unit' I hope you honestly have a better grasp on such issues than you're exhibiting here, and are more open minded to peoples real and genuine anguish. Whether or not you agree with the persons belief about themselves is not the point. The point is that they need help and are coming to you at one of the worst times in their lives. Your own opinions need to be set aside at that time. You're there for them, not the other way around.
On the other hand, good on you for doing that kind of work. In this world, we need people like you who care about other people. I hope its a rewarding experience for you.
What you have to do is not be judgmental and open minded about EVERYTHING. Your goal as a therapist is to never give 'advice' to a client. It's to let them talk and come to their own conclusions. They need to vent, and you can offer positive ways to adjust and adaptive coping skills for life. However, this message board isn't my counseling office. It's a place where I want to have real conversations about my own personal feelings. I would never direct a client who feels 'transgender' against their own beliefs. That is wrong. In summation, I'm there to heal the individual. I'm not there to have an open discussion about gender identity, or any label. |
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Post by kuatorises on Sept 29, 2017 15:48:21 GMT
It's all in their head. It's just another form of body dysmorphia. There's no evidence that they were born the wrong or "both" sexes; like a hermaphrodite.
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Post by Stammerhead on Sept 29, 2017 16:26:01 GMT
they are actually killing people. You are getting 'transgender' mixed up with 'terminator'. It's an all too common mistake. |
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Sept 29, 2017 17:14:41 GMT
As someone who works at a 'crisis stabilization unit' I hope you honestly have a better grasp on such issues than you're exhibiting here, and are more open minded to peoples real and genuine anguish. Whether or not you agree with the persons belief about themselves is not the point. The point is that they need help and are coming to you at one of the worst times in their lives. Your own opinions need to be set aside at that time. You're there for them, not the other way around.
On the other hand, good on you for doing that kind of work. In this world, we need people like you who care about other people. I hope its a rewarding experience for you.
What you have to do is not be judgmental and open minded about EVERYTHING. Your goal as a therapist is to never give 'advice' to a client. It's to let them talk and come to their own conclusions. They need to vent, and you can offer positive ways to adjust and adaptive coping skills for life. However, this message board isn't my counseling office. It's a place where I want to have real conversations about my own personal feelings. I would never direct a client who feels 'transgender' against their own beliefs. That is wrong. In summation, I'm there to heal the individual. I'm not there to have an open discussion about gender identity, or any label. We're on the same page, my friend. I've personally known people who have gender dysphoria and their internal suffering is real, regardless of our opinions of them may be. As I said before, good on you for doing that kind of work. Thank you. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 18:35:28 GMT
What you have to do is not be judgmental and open minded about EVERYTHING. Your goal as a therapist is to never give 'advice' to a client. It's to let them talk and come to their own conclusions. They need to vent, and you can offer positive ways to adjust and adaptive coping skills for life. However, this message board isn't my counseling office. It's a place where I want to have real conversations about my own personal feelings. I would never direct a client who feels 'transgender' against their own beliefs. That is wrong. In summation, I'm there to heal the individual. I'm not there to have an open discussion about gender identity, or any label. We're on the same page, my friend. I've personally known people who have gender dysphoria and their internal suffering is real, regardless of our opinions of them may be. As I said before, good on you for doing that kind of work. Thank you. I appreciate your reply. That is the perfect mindset we as a society should have. It doesn't matter if being Transgender is real, or if it's a form of body dysphoria. At the end of the day, their suffering is real. That is all that matters to people who are dealing with this issue. So all we can do is try and help them. |
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Sept 29, 2017 21:05:16 GMT
It's all in their head. It's just another form of body dysmorphia. There's no evidence that they were born the wrong or "both" sexes; like a hermaphrodite. |
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Post by mslo79 on Oct 2, 2017 10:16:01 GMT
in short... i think that whole 'transgenderism' stuff is basically a mental problem.
it's just not normal to want to do that stuff even though Hollywood acts like it's amazing and ends up treating them better than your normal person because of it (you can see the favoritism on shows like America's Got Talent for anyone who's not straight basically). they are backwards in that they praise the messed up stuff and somewhat turn against what's normal, pretty much.
because in a very basic sense... if your born as a male, your a male. if your born as a female, your a female. this is common sense but some people (basically liberals) seem to lack it nowadays. it's sad when society has lowered itself to the point people can now question gender and if you don't agree with it they think your the bad guy even though they can't see the obvious. it's just a wonder how some peoples thinking can get that twisted.
p.s. i actually feel sorry for those guys who give off that clear feminine vibe (i.e. effeminate) as if they are straight they are pretty much doomed as i can't see a female being attracted to that kind of person (if there is, it can't be many). someone one of my cousins know is basically like that. i realize in a case like this, there is nothing they can do about it as they are just like that as you can't really change the way you come across to others.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 2, 2017 14:00:35 GMT
Wait. What sort of counselor are you that you'd not be familiar with the idea behind transgenderism?
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Post by kuatorises on Oct 2, 2017 14:26:32 GMT
It's all in their head. It's just another form of body dysmorphia. There's no evidence that they were born the wrong or "both" sexes; like a hermaphrodite. What's even more baffling is that gender dysphoria/gender identity disorder is literally defined as a "feeling" in the medical community now insists it's not a mental disorder. People who are addicted to plastic surgery clearly have a mental disorder. People with eating disorders or body integrity identity disorder clearly have a mental disorder. This is no different, it's just become a political/social issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 15:37:08 GMT
Wait. What sort of counselor are you that you'd not be familiar with the idea behind transgenderism? I am familiar with Gender Identity Disorder. I'm simply asking, 'is it real'? Or is it simply the brain making a conclusion based on it's own feelings. Sort of like a human being rationalizing their feelings to make it 'make sense' to them |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 2, 2017 18:28:33 GMT
Wait. What sort of counselor are you that you'd not be familiar with the idea behind transgenderism? I am familiar with Gender Identity Disorder. I'm simply asking, 'is it real'? Or is it simply the brain making a conclusion based on it's own feelings. Sort of like a human being rationalizing their feelings to make it 'make sense' to them You didn't answer what sort of counselor you are. Anyway, it being real in this case is a person feeling a particular way--feeling that they identify as a particular gender that doesn't match their biological sex. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 19:37:03 GMT
I am familiar with Gender Identity Disorder. I'm simply asking, 'is it real'? Or is it simply the brain making a conclusion based on it's own feelings. Sort of like a human being rationalizing their feelings to make it 'make sense' to them You didn't answer what sort of counselor you are. Anyway, it being real in this case is a person feeling a particular way--feeling that they identify as a particular gender that doesn't match their biological sex. I have said previously when I approach counseling, I put my own personal opinions and beliefs aside. I assume everything a person is suffering from is real. If a client comes to me and says they've been abducted by UFOs, and that is causing them stress and anxiety. I'm treating the 'stress' and 'anxiety'. I'm not questioning if this "UFO' event is real or not. If I did that I would only cause the client more stress. Now, I might ask questions to determine if the client is delusional or psychotic, but at the moment, I'm treating their anxiety. |
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 2, 2017 19:40:03 GMT
You didn't answer what sort of counselor you are. Anyway, it being real in this case is a person feeling a particular way--feeling that they identify as a particular gender that doesn't match their biological sex. I have said previously when I approach counseling, I put my own personal opinions and beliefs aside. I assume everything a person is suffering from is real. If a client comes to me and says they've been abducted by UFOs, and that is causing them stress and anxiety. I'm treating the 'stress' and 'anxiety'. I'm not questioning if this "UFO' event is real or not. If I did that I would only cause the client more stress. Now, I might ask questions to determine if the client is delusional or psychotic, but at the moment, I'm treating their anxiety. Your response doesn't make any sense to me in the context of my comment. |
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Oct 2, 2017 21:56:32 GMT
in short... i think that whole 'transgenderism' stuff is basically a mental problem.
it's just not normal to want to do that stuff even though Hollywood acts like it's amazing and ends up treating them better than your normal person because of it (you can see the favoritism on shows like America's Got Talent for anyone who's not straight basically). they are backwards in that they praise the messed up stuff and somewhat turn against what's normal, pretty much.
because in a very basic sense... if your born as a male, your a male. if your born as a female, your a female. this is common sense but some people (basically liberals) seem to lack it nowadays. it's sad when society has lowered itself to the point people can now question gender and if you don't agree with it they think your the bad guy even though they can't see the obvious. it's just a wonder how some peoples thinking can get that twisted.
p.s. i actually feel sorry for those guys who give off that clear feminine vibe (i.e. effeminate) as if they are straight they are pretty much doomed as i can't see a female being attracted to that kind of person (if there is, it can't be many). someone one of my cousins know is basically like that. i realize in a case like this, there is nothing they can do about it as they are just like that as you can't really change the way you come across to others. |
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