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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 27, 2017 19:57:17 GMT
It would seem so... linkStill do not see the point in having a Venom with zero ties to Spider-Man. Venom cannot exist without him and if you try to make it so then he's basically Venom-In-Name-Only. I anticipate DC-Fan's reaction will be "Venom will show MCU how its done!", Tristan's might be "Oh ho ho! MCU fans you must admit defeat here for a FOUR TIME Oscar nominee has joined what is looking to be a promising and hopefully game changing comic book movie, BRING IT ON!"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 13:41:13 GMT
I disagree. I think the Venom origin storyline can easily be played out with Spider Woman/Jessica Drew or SpiderGwen instead of Spider-Man and it has already been confirmed Spider Woman is in the Sony Spiderverse.
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Post by thenewnexus on Sept 28, 2017 13:50:12 GMT
Now if only Sony pulls Spidey out of the MCU I can get behind this
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Post by Peter B. Parker on Sept 28, 2017 15:14:21 GMT
Take into consideration that Marvel can't use Venom, so of course this version isn't going to be in the MCU.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 28, 2017 19:50:47 GMT
Now if only Sony pulls Spidey out of the MCU I can get behind this Why, so they can make shitty Spider-Man movies like The Amazing Spider-Man 2?
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 28, 2017 19:58:43 GMT
Why is Sony still trying to make a Venom and Sinister Six movies? They've been trying to make a Venom movie for 10 years now.
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Post by thenewnexus on Sept 28, 2017 22:48:10 GMT
Now if only Sony pulls Spidey out of the MCU I can get behind this Why, so they can make shitty Spider-Man movies like The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Homecoming was a shitty movie and if he's stuck in The mcu that means he won't fight Tom Hardys Venom Sony needs to do the right thing
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 28, 2017 23:48:04 GMT
Why, so they can make shitty Spider-Man movies like The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Homecoming was a shitty movie and if he's stuck in The mcu that means he won't fight Tom Hardys Venom Sony needs to do the right thing First of all Homecoming was better than both Amazing Spider-Man movies and Spider-Man 3, and is probably the best Spider-Man movie to date, Raimi's first two films only surpass it on purely cinematic terms. Secondly, Sony DOES have it in their rights to use Spider-Man outside of the MCU, which is why they're making this Venom movie as well as Black Cat/Silver Sable and possibly Sinister Six. It is highly suspected that they're going to make use of Holland's contract and have him make an appearance in either of these films to sell the idea that they all take place within the MCU except not because Marvel has no hand in their development. Hence why Amy Pascal said in an interview that the Venom movie will not be "set" in the MCU but in "the same reality", which can mean two things - 1) By "the same reality" she means they take place within the same universe, yes, but they do not interact with other characters outside of the ones appearing in the Spider-Man movies or play an integral role in the overall MCU. Or 2) Its an attempt to gain interest in the film, but nothing else. Most believe its the latter, as the first one doesn't seem like the type of decision Sony would make these days based on their track record.
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Post by politicidal on Sept 28, 2017 23:59:35 GMT
Female lead or damsel in distress?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 29, 2017 0:03:56 GMT
Why is Sony still trying to make a Venom and Sinister Six movies? They've been trying to make a Venom movie for 10 years now. Because they still have faith in a shared universe built entirely around Spider-Man characters that can rival their competition, even though their launch point only resulted in another reboot with a compromise with Marvel Studios/Disney. Personally I've never gotten the appeal of a Venom movie, I understand he's a popular character and all but why the fascination to the point that you'd want to do a stand alone film with zero ties to Spider-Man? Believe it or not this is not the first time they tried to do something like this, a Venom has been in development for more than twenty years and I do believe David Goyer once penned a script for it. I don't get the appeal of a Sinister Six movie, either. By now the premise is so worn out I can't think of how it can bring anything new to the table other than have Spider-Man villains.
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Post by thenewnexus on Sept 29, 2017 1:28:48 GMT
Homecoming was a shitty movie and if he's stuck in The mcu that means he won't fight Tom Hardys Venom Sony needs to do the right thing First of all Homecoming was better than both Amazing Spider-Man movies and Spider-Man 3, and is probably the best Spider-Man movie to date, Raimi's first two films only surpass it on purely cinematic terms. Secondly, Sony DOES have it in their rights to use Spider-Man outside of the MCU, which is why they're making this Venom movie as well as Black Cat/Silver Sable and possibly Sinister Six. It is highly suspected that they're going to make use of Holland's contract and have him make an appearance in either of these films to sell the idea that they all take place within the MCU except not because Marvel has no hand in their development. Hence why Amy Pascal said in an interview that the Venom movie will not be "set" in the MCU but in "the same reality", which can mean two things - 1) By "the same reality" she means they take place within the same universe, yes, but they do not interact with other characters outside of the ones appearing in the Spider-Man movies or play an integral role in the overall MCU. Or 2) Its an attempt to gain interest in the film, but nothing else. Most believe its the latter, as the first one doesn't seem like the type of decision Sony would make these days based on their track record. Homecoming was like a Disney Channel movie. ASM was a million times better in everyway. ASM2 is flawed but at least it's a more serious movie. They should of went with 3 instead of Homecoming. The first two Raimi films were more serious as well. I would rather see Spiderman in only the Sonyverse instead of the MCU since he would be more serious no humor and he won't be Isolated from all the characters.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 29, 2017 1:43:25 GMT
First of all Homecoming was better than both Amazing Spider-Man movies and Spider-Man 3, and is probably the best Spider-Man movie to date, Raimi's first two films only surpass it on purely cinematic terms. Secondly, Sony DOES have it in their rights to use Spider-Man outside of the MCU, which is why they're making this Venom movie as well as Black Cat/Silver Sable and possibly Sinister Six. It is highly suspected that they're going to make use of Holland's contract and have him make an appearance in either of these films to sell the idea that they all take place within the MCU except not because Marvel has no hand in their development. Hence why Amy Pascal said in an interview that the Venom movie will not be "set" in the MCU but in "the same reality", which can mean two things - 1) By "the same reality" she means they take place within the same universe, yes, but they do not interact with other characters outside of the ones appearing in the Spider-Man movies or play an integral role in the overall MCU. Or 2) Its an attempt to gain interest in the film, but nothing else. Most believe its the latter, as the first one doesn't seem like the type of decision Sony would make these days based on their track record. Homecoming was like a Disney Channel movie. ASM was a million times better in everyway. ASM2 is flawed but at least it's a more serious movie. They should of went with 3 instead of Homecoming. The first two Raimi films were more serious as well. I would rather see Spiderman in only the Sonyverse instead of the MCU since he would be more serious no humor and he won't be Isolated from all the characters. I'm sorry, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 a serious movie? With crazy stalker Electro making jokes about birthday candles and Rhino acting like a cartoon character? That's a serious movie? The Spider-Man movies all have had humor. It's part of the character that Marvel Studios got right.
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Post by thenewnexus on Sept 29, 2017 1:57:21 GMT
Homecoming was like a Disney Channel movie. ASM was a million times better in everyway. ASM2 is flawed but at least it's a more serious movie. They should of went with 3 instead of Homecoming. The first two Raimi films were more serious as well. I would rather see Spiderman in only the Sonyverse instead of the MCU since he would be more serious no humor and he won't be Isolated from all the characters. I'm sorry, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 a serious movie? With crazy stalker Electro making jokes about birthday candles and Rhino acting like a cartoon character? That's a serious movie? The Spider-Man movies all have had humor. It's part of the character that Marvel Studios got right. This one over does it with the humor,nothing about the movie is serious. Spider man was better off in his own universe.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 29, 2017 2:18:01 GMT
First of all Homecoming was better than both Amazing Spider-Man movies and Spider-Man 3, and is probably the best Spider-Man movie to date, Raimi's first two films only surpass it on purely cinematic terms. Secondly, Sony DOES have it in their rights to use Spider-Man outside of the MCU, which is why they're making this Venom movie as well as Black Cat/Silver Sable and possibly Sinister Six. It is highly suspected that they're going to make use of Holland's contract and have him make an appearance in either of these films to sell the idea that they all take place within the MCU except not because Marvel has no hand in their development. Hence why Amy Pascal said in an interview that the Venom movie will not be "set" in the MCU but in "the same reality", which can mean two things - 1) By "the same reality" she means they take place within the same universe, yes, but they do not interact with other characters outside of the ones appearing in the Spider-Man movies or play an integral role in the overall MCU. Or 2) Its an attempt to gain interest in the film, but nothing else. Most believe its the latter, as the first one doesn't seem like the type of decision Sony would make these days based on their track record. Homecoming was like a Disney Channel movie. ASM was a million times better in everyway. ASM2 is flawed but at least it's a more serious movie. They should of went with 3 instead of Homecoming. The first two Raimi films were more serious as well. I would rather see Spiderman in only the Sonyverse instead of the MCU since he would be more serious no humor and he won't be Isolated from all the characters. Homecoming was definitely not like a Disney Channel movie( Could you be more descriptive of this, as its pretty vague). Neither Amazing Spider-Man 1 or 2 were better than Homecoming. And TASM 2 was more serious? Oh, you mean like The Green Beavis and Butt-Head Goblin? The Rhino who acted like he popped out of a Looney Tunes short and his clunky looking mech suit? The overly stereotypical Russian scientist who only needed to say "Moose and Squirrel" to complete the whole package? And the creepy, obsessive Doctor Manhattan clone with the same nutty personality of Jim Carrey's Riddler that was called 'Electro'? Oh yeah, more serious the better... Looks like you haven't been paying attention the news. Sony wants Venom to be an over-the-top horror/comedy hybrid - Hence, why they hired the guy who directed Zombieland for the movie.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 29, 2017 2:21:51 GMT
I'm sorry, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 a serious movie? With crazy stalker Electro making jokes about birthday candles and Rhino acting like a cartoon character? That's a serious movie? The Spider-Man movies all have had humor. It's part of the character that Marvel Studios got right. This one over does it with the humor,nothing about the movie is serious. Spider man was better off in his own universe. The interaction between Peter and Adrian after they discovered each other's identities proves you totally wrong there and that's just one example. You must not be a big Spider-Man fan because part of his appeal is that he's a young guy trying to find himself in a world full of larger than life heroes and villains and his interactions with Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America all help inspire him and vice versa.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 29, 2017 2:23:01 GMT
Homecoming was like a Disney Channel movie. ASM was a million times better in everyway. ASM2 is flawed but at least it's a more serious movie. They should of went with 3 instead of Homecoming. The first two Raimi films were more serious as well. I would rather see Spiderman in only the Sonyverse instead of the MCU since he would be more serious no humor and he won't be Isolated from all the characters. I'm sorry, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 a serious movie? With crazy stalker Electro making jokes about birthday candles and Rhino acting like a cartoon character? That's a serious movie? The Spider-Man movies all have had humor. It's part of the character that Marvel Studios got right. Don't forget about Green Beavis-Goblin, I tell you I kept expecting him to say "Give me teepee!".
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Post by thenewnexus on Sept 29, 2017 2:49:34 GMT
Homecoming was like a Disney Channel movie. ASM was a million times better in everyway. ASM2 is flawed but at least it's a more serious movie. They should of went with 3 instead of Homecoming. The first two Raimi films were more serious as well. I would rather see Spiderman in only the Sonyverse instead of the MCU since he would be more serious no humor and he won't be Isolated from all the characters. Homecoming was definitely not like a Disney Channel movie( Could you be more descriptive of this, as its pretty vague). Neither Amazing Spider-Man 1 or 2 were better than Homecoming. And TASM 2 was more serious? Oh, you mean like The Green Beavis and Butt-Head Goblin? The Rhino who acted like he popped out of a Looney Tunes short and his clunky looking mech suit? The overly stereotypical Russian scientist who only needed to say "Moose and Squirrel" to complete the whole package? And the creepy, obsessive Doctor Manhattan clone with the same nutty personality of Jim Carrey's Riddler that was called 'Electro'? Oh yeah, more serious the better... Looks like you haven't been paying attention the news. Sony wants Venom to be an over-the-top horror/comedy hybrid - Hence, why they hired the guy who directed Zombieland for the movie. It felt like a straight up kid movie. ASM was way better and memorable,I barley got through Homecoming once. These movies were more serious,While It was not great I would rather watch ASM2 than Homecoming. Homecoming felt Campy through out most of the movie with two serious moments,way more in ASM. I trust Sony more than Marvel at this point.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 29, 2017 4:50:01 GMT
Homecoming was definitely not like a Disney Channel movie( Could you be more descriptive of this, as its pretty vague). Neither Amazing Spider-Man 1 or 2 were better than Homecoming. And TASM 2 was more serious? Oh, you mean like The Green Beavis and Butt-Head Goblin? The Rhino who acted like he popped out of a Looney Tunes short and his clunky looking mech suit? The overly stereotypical Russian scientist who only needed to say "Moose and Squirrel" to complete the whole package? And the creepy, obsessive Doctor Manhattan clone with the same nutty personality of Jim Carrey's Riddler that was called 'Electro'? Oh yeah, more serious the better... Looks like you haven't been paying attention the news. Sony wants Venom to be an over-the-top horror/comedy hybrid - Hence, why they hired the guy who directed Zombieland for the movie. It felt like a straight up kid movie. ASM was way better and memorable,I barley got through Homecoming once. These movies were more serious,While It was not great I would rather watch ASM2 than Homecoming. Homecoming felt Campy through out most of the movie with two serious moments,way more in ASM. I trust Sony more than Marvel at this point. So basically you have no real counter argument, the best you can do is say "Homecoming felt like a straight up kids movie, ASM was way better and more serious." Both me justanaveragejoe offered what I like to consider are effective criticisms on your whole "TASM 2 was more serious" statement, and you've barely scratched that in discussion. So you trust a company that has been struggling financially the past few years and are constantly making very questionable and concerning decisions with their movies and are run by two very incompetent execs with very murky history - Tom Rothman and Amy Pascal ? Yeah, you really know how to pick a winning team, how much did you spend on The Emoji Movie?
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Post by thenewnexus on Sept 29, 2017 8:12:27 GMT
What I said explains it all. If you want to I ll show you effective criticism. The fat kid saying hes watching porn,Any Time Tony Stark was on screen,Capts PSAs,Montanas death,vulture saying Indians and Shocker responding by saying Native Americans,Peter being Stuck in the Warehouse,Peter intergating Prowler, and the Ending itself. You got a dozen other movies with that problem. Marvel is the one doing questionable things
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Post by blockbusted on Sept 29, 2017 12:31:14 GMT
What I said explains it all. If you want to I ll show you effective criticism. The fat kid saying hes watching porn,Any Time Tony Stark was on screen,Capts PSAs,Montanas death,vulture saying Indians and Shocker responding by saying Native Americans,Peter being Stuck in the Warehouse,Peter intergating Prowler, and the Ending itself. You got a dozen other movies with that problem. Marvel is the one doing questionable things How do any of these actually make 'Spider-Man: Homecoming' a bad film?
And seriously, do you seriously want Spider-Man to go back to a studio who/that just unleashed this?:
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