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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 1, 2017 18:21:52 GMT
Let's travel back in time, shall we?
Michelle MacLaren, director of various, widely acclaimed television series like Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, The X-Files, Game of Thrones, Westworld, Modern Family, The Leftovers and now The Deuce was let go from Wonder Woman because she wanted to tell more than just an origin story, she wanted to make an epic war film in vein of Braveheart.
Jeff Nichols, the acclaimed writer/director behind such films as Mud, Loving, Take Shelter, and Midnight's Special turned down the opportunity to make Aquaman because he wouldn't be allowed total control over the movie.
Seth Grahame-Smith and Rick Famuyiwa were dropped from The Flash over "creative differences".
Zack Snyder was forced to chop off at least 30 minutes worth of footage from the theatrical cut of Batman v Superman.
David Ayer had to write his screenplay for Suicide Squad in a ridiculously small span of time and made a very dark and grim action movie that the entire cast needed psychological aid on set just in case with far more scenes featuring Jared Leto's Joker. In panic mode from BvS' reception re-shoots were made to create a lighter tone and atmosphere and a company specializing in editing trailers were hired to re-edit the film into what we have now.
Let's go back even further, before the DCEU...
JUST DAYS BEFORE FILMING WOULD START ON GEORGE MILLER'S JUSTICE LEAGUE" MORTAL...Production was shut down. They shut down a George Miller movie, George Miller - the man whose work on the original Mad Max trilogy influenced all contemporary action/adventure films today and brought Warner Bros. an Oscar with Happy Feet.
After Burton made them almost a billion with the combined profit of Batman and Batman Returns he was let go from a third outing and its been said he's still salty about the whole affair. Joel Schumacher was hired and was not allowed to go as deep or as dark with the character and the world as he would've liked to and only instructed to make a "family friendly" product. This carried over, to far worse results, in its sequel Batman & Robin.
So it would seem DC is not as "director friendly" as DC-Fan claims it is...
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Post by brownstones on Oct 1, 2017 18:52:56 GMT
I don't want to get into this discussion, but regarding the Ayer screenplay allotted time..... most professional screenplay writers can turn in a script within a few weeks, Cabin in the Woods was written over a weekend...... a weekend.
Ayer simply needed someone to help guide him when it came to characters, a legitimate co-writer.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 1, 2017 19:08:37 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Oct 1, 2017 23:10:13 GMT
No major studio really is these days.
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Post by ThatGuy on Oct 1, 2017 23:17:44 GMT
Let's travel back in time, shall we?
Michelle MacLaren, director of various, widely acclaimed television series like Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, The X-Files, Game of Thrones, Westworld, Modern Family, The Leftovers and now The Deuce was let go from Wonder Woman because she wanted to tell more than just an origin story, she wanted to make an epic war film in vein of Braveheart.
Jeff Nichols, the acclaimed writer/director behind such films as Mud, Loving, Take Shelter, and Midnight's Special turned down the opportunity to make Aquaman because he wouldn't be allowed total control over the movie.
Seth Grahame-Smith and Rick Famuyiwa were dropped from The Flash over "creative differences".
Zack Snyder was forced to chop off at least 30 minutes worth of footage from the theatrical cut of Batman v Superman.
David Ayer had to write his screenplay for Suicide Squad in a ridiculously small span of time and made a very dark and grim action movie that the entire cast needed psychological aid on set just in case with far more scenes featuring Jared Leto's Joker. In panic mode from BvS' reception re-shoots were made to create a lighter tone and atmosphere and a company specializing in editing trailers were hired to re-edit the film into what we have now.
Let's go back even further, before the DCEU...
JUST DAYS BEFORE FILMING WOULD START ON GEORGE MILLER'S JUSTICE LEAGUE" MORTAL...Production was shut down. They shut down a George Miller movie, George Miller - the man whose work on the original Mad Max trilogy influenced all contemporary action/adventure films today and brought Warner Bros. an Oscar with Happy Feet.
After Burton made them almost a billion with the combined profit of Batman and Batman Returns he was let go from a third outing and its been said he's still salty about the whole affair. Joel Schumacher was hired and was not allowed to go as deep or as dark with the character and the world as he would've liked to and only instructed to make a "family friendly" product. This carried over, to far worse results, in its sequel Batman & Robin.
So it would seem DC is not as "director friendly" as DC-Fan claims it is...
Forgot one. Richard Donner and Superman 2. Replaced by Richard Lester. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 1, 2017 23:26:14 GMT
No major studio really is these days. Very true and I totally agree, but the point of the thread was essentially to be a call out to DC-Fan since they keep touting the DCEU as being totally director driven and friendly while Marvel Studios isn't. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 2, 2017 7:08:59 GMT
Let's travel back in time, shall we?
 ... Okay, now what? |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2017 18:21:10 GMT
Let's travel back in time, shall we?
... Okay, now what? |
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You've gone back too far, colden!
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Post by Peter B. Parker on Oct 8, 2017 7:30:19 GMT
After Burton made them almost a billion with the combined profit of Batman and Batman Returns he was let go from a third outing and its been said he's still salty about the whole affair.
I think this incident might be why Burton doesn't make sequels anymore. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 8, 2017 16:53:00 GMT
After Burton made them almost a billion with the combined profit of Batman and Batman Returns he was let go from a third outing and its been said he's still salty about the whole affair.
I think this incident might be why Burton doesn't make sequels anymore. Didn't he direct the sequel to the Alice movie? (Not being a smartass. I really can't remember if he directed either or both and am too lazy to look it up.) |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 8, 2017 17:27:14 GMT
I think this incident might be why Burton doesn't make sequels anymore. Didn't he direct the sequel to the Alice movie? (Not being a smartass. I really can't remember if he directed either or both and am too lazy to look it up.) No. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 8, 2017 17:29:13 GMT
After Burton made them almost a billion with the combined profit of Batman and Batman Returns he was let go from a third outing and its been said he's still salty about the whole affair.
I think this incident might be why Burton doesn't make sequels anymore. He never really aspired to make sequels in the first place, hence why Batman Returns looks so visually distant from its predecessor, even Wayne Manor looks different. And just in case someone brings up Superman Lives, the movie was planned to be a reboot from the get-go, not a continuation of prior films. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 8, 2017 17:31:42 GMT
I don't want to get into this discussion, but regarding the Ayer screenplay allotted time..... most professional screenplay writers can turn in a script within a few weeks, Cabin in the Woods was written over a weekend...... a weekend. Ayer simply needed someone to help guide him when it came to characters, a legitimate co-writer. True, and Weird Science was written over a weekend as well. It's probably a lot easier to write an original story in a shorter period of time than something that is desired to be a tentpole and part of a franchise like the DCEU. Course, it depends on the writer. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 8, 2017 17:40:25 GMT
Didn't he direct the sequel to the Alice movie? (Not being a smartass. I really can't remember if he directed either or both and am too lazy to look it up.) No. My bad. Thanks, dude. |
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Post by brownstones on Oct 8, 2017 18:00:20 GMT
I don't want to get into this discussion, but regarding the Ayer screenplay allotted time..... most professional screenplay writers can turn in a script within a few weeks, Cabin in the Woods was written over a weekend...... a weekend. Ayer simply needed someone to help guide him when it came to characters, a legitimate co-writer. True, and Weird Science was written over a weekend as well. It's probably a lot easier to write an original story in a shorter period of time than something that is desired to be a tentpole and part of a franchise like the DCEU. Course, it depends on the writer. no...... it's no the tentpole aspect, because that's normally padded with action sequences, it's just either being able to tell straightforward story and/or understanding the characters. Now Ayer isn't really one who likes doing these plot driven films, normally his films are a bit more meandering, with their focal point being the characters and how they interact with one another. With SS..... while I feel the interactions are well done, I do enjoy some characterizations, and was expecting a more free flowing story, since it was Ayer, but it's the characters that weren't done completely right, feeling more like caricatures, than people. |
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