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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 17, 2019 21:22:02 GMT
Is it possible that others were sick of Ricky's despotism and complained to Hallmark? Nope !
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Post by teddybear on Sept 21, 2019 10:32:49 GMT
I love that show.
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Post by amyghost on Sept 21, 2019 18:57:20 GMT
Oh well. I never cared for I Love Lucy much; aside from Fred Mertz the series regular characters were unlikable. Lucy's charms were lost on me. I never found her funny, never even liked her, let alone loved her. The Lucy-Desi marriage didn't feel real to me, even as a kid. I could buy Ralph and Alice, Pete and Gladys, but not Lucy and Desi. Yet I'm so way in the minority on this, it seems. I Love Lucy was a sensation in its heyday, the most popular sitcom of the Fifties. A TV production empire, Desilu, was created from all the money Lucy and Desi made from the series, which enabled them to buy the RKO studio and turn it into Desilu. An amazing accomplishment. Those two must have been doing something right. Desilu produced two fondly remembered non-comedy classic TV series, The Untouchables and Star Trek. The somewhat less classic but highly popular Mission: Impossible was also Desilu. With you on this. I was always meh about both the series in general, and Ball in particular. Although it did have a few classic comic moments, most of the humor just seemed forced and became increasingly mechanical as time went on; I could say pretty much the same thing about Ball's comedic persona--a few instances of inspired comic mayhem, and a lot more of grating schtick.
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Post by telegonus on Sept 21, 2019 19:45:52 GMT
I find Lucy to be a very good dramatic actress, just not a funny knockabout comedienne. She grates on me big time, and that voice!
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 9, 2019 19:48:59 GMT
There are a couple of things I find obnoxious about Lucy in this show.
1. She lives in a tiny apt, yet needed a maid to help her with that brat that she couldn't leave behind fast enough when they went to Europe.
2. Even though Ethel was always happy for her when something good happened, Lucy would get jealous and envious of Ethel the one or two times something good happened to Ethel.
Lucy was not a good friend.
Thoughts?
I don't disagree with you at all. Lucy Ricardo really was kind of a spoiled bitch. However, as it happens, charm almost always wins out and Lucy had this in spades. It is remarkable what people will overlook if the subject has some capacity to dazzle. And then "spoiled bitch" gets reduced to "mischievous and ornery". I mean look at Joan Crawford. She was a violent psycho and look how many people worship her. Even me, to some extent. lol I like Lucy a lot, but yeah she was super competitive. All the time. btw, Ethel was by far my favorite character on the show. Vivian Vance could do no wrong as far I'm concerned. When I made my first trip to New York City (spring break, 1998), there were soooo many cool shops and there was this one pop culture shop that had an "I Love Ethel" t-shirt in the window. It is one of the biggest regrets in my life that I did not buy one for myself. However, the fact that within minutes of emerging from the subway I was kissed on the mouth on the street in broad daylight by a handsome French man named Jean Michel (never forget) helps to ease that pain. First two minutes in New York City, yes, Sir!
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 9, 2019 20:27:01 GMT
There are a couple of things I find obnoxious about Lucy in this show.
1. She lives in a tiny apt, yet needed a maid to help her with that brat that she couldn't leave behind fast enough when they went to Europe.
2. Even though Ethel was always happy for her when something good happened, Lucy would get jealous and envious of Ethel the one or two times something good happened to Ethel.
Lucy was not a good friend.
Thoughts?
I don't disagree with you at all. Lucy Ricardo really was kind of a spoiled bitch. However, as it happens, charm almost always wins out and Lucy had this in spades. It is remarkable what people will overlook if the subject has some capacity to dazzle. And then "spoiled bitch" gets reduced to "mischievous and ornery". I mean look at Joan Crawford. She was a violent psycho and look how many people worship her. Even me, to some extent. lol I like Lucy a lot, but yeah she was super competitive. All the time. btw, Ethel was by far my favorite character on the show. Vivian Vance could do no wrong as far I'm concerned. When I made my first trip to New York City (spring break, 1998), there were soooo many cool shops and there was this one pop culture shop that had an "I Love Ethel" t-shirt in the window. It is one of the biggest regrets in my life that I did not buy one for myself. However, the fact that within minutes of emerging from the subway I was kissed on the mouth on the street in broad daylight by a handsome French man named Jean Michel (never forget) helps to ease that pain. First two minutes in New York City, yes, Sir! If he hadn't been handsome, it would've been straight-up assault.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 9, 2019 20:33:58 GMT
I don't disagree with you at all. Lucy Ricardo really was kind of a spoiled bitch. However, as it happens, charm almost always wins out and Lucy had this in spades. It is remarkable what people will overlook if the subject has some capacity to dazzle. And then "spoiled bitch" gets reduced to "mischievous and ornery". I mean look at Joan Crawford. She was a violent psycho and look how many people worship her. Even me, to some extent. lol I like Lucy a lot, but yeah she was super competitive. All the time. btw, Ethel was by far my favorite character on the show. Vivian Vance could do no wrong as far I'm concerned. When I made my first trip to New York City (spring break, 1998), there were soooo many cool shops and there was this one pop culture shop that had an "I Love Ethel" t-shirt in the window. It is one of the biggest regrets in my life that I did not buy one for myself. However, the fact that within minutes of emerging from the subway I was kissed on the mouth on the street in broad daylight by a handsome French man named Jean Michel (never forget) helps to ease that pain. First two minutes in New York City, yes, Sir! If he hadn't been handsome, it would've been straight-up assault. If he'd been handsome he wouldn't have kissed you on the anything.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 9, 2019 20:45:19 GMT
Oh well. I never cared for I Love Lucy much; aside from Fred Mertz the series regular characters were unlikable. Lucy's charms were lost on me. I never found her funny, never even liked her, let alone loved her. The Lucy-Desi marriage didn't feel real to me, even as a kid. I could buy Ralph and Alice, Pete and Gladys, but not Lucy and Desi. Yet I'm so way in the minority on this, it seems. I Love Lucy was a sensation in its heyday, the most popular sitcom of the Fifties. A TV production empire, Desilu, was created from all the money Lucy and Desi made from the series, which enabled them to buy the RKO studio and turn it into Desilu. An amazing accomplishment. Those two must have been doing something right. Desilu produced two fondly remembered non-comedy classic TV series, The Untouchables and Star Trek. The somewhat less classic but highly popular Mission: Impossible was also Desilu. With you on this. I was always meh about both the series in general, and Ball in particular. Although i t did have a few classic comic moments, most of the humor just seemed forced and became increasingly mechanical as time went on; I could say pretty much the same thing about Ball's comedic persona-- a few instances of inspired comic mayhem, and a lot more of grating schtick. I totally agree with you on this. LB was no doubt talented at comedy, with the Vitametavegamin bit being heartstoppingly funny and the comedy gold standard. I do like the show basically for about two and a half seasons. The second season was the best, sharply written and performed, fresh comedy that holds up today. (The fact that Ball had baby fat and looked adorable didn't hurt) and I liked the 3rd season very much. My all-time favorite episode featured Ethel - "Ethel's Birthday" - and came mid-way 4th season. After that, off to Hollywood, and I never saw something go south so fast. Lucy Ricardo became insufferable. If Ricky didn't beat her, you sure wanted to. The last two seasons were painful with hardly a laugh in sight. "Off to Florida" being the sole exception. Still better than her later two shows. She was practically pre-infantile. By the time of "Here's Lucy", I half expected the plot line, "Lucy soils herself. Mayhem ensues."
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 9, 2019 20:48:53 GMT
I don't disagree with you at all. Lucy Ricardo really was kind of a spoiled bitch. However, as it happens, charm almost always wins out and Lucy had this in spades. It is remarkable what people will overlook if the subject has some capacity to dazzle. And then "spoiled bitch" gets reduced to "mischievous and ornery". I mean look at Joan Crawford. She was a violent psycho and look how many people worship her. Even me, to some extent. lol I like Lucy a lot, but yeah she was super competitive. All the time. btw, Ethel was by far my favorite character on the show. Vivian Vance could do no wrong as far I'm concerned. When I made my first trip to New York City (spring break, 1998), there were soooo many cool shops and there was this one pop culture shop that had an "I Love Ethel" t-shirt in the window. It is one of the biggest regrets in my life that I did not buy one for myself. However, the fact that within minutes of emerging from the subway I was kissed on the mouth on the street in broad daylight by a handsome French man named Jean Michel (never forget) helps to ease that pain. First two minutes in New York City, yes, Sir! If he hadn't been handsome, it would've been straight-up assault. I don't assault easily. If I were locked up in prison, I don't think I could hardly be a victim of rape. I am too willingly promiscuous for rape. But the French kiss on the street set the tone for the rest of the NYC trip. I had the best time.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 9, 2019 20:52:43 GMT
With you on this. I was always meh about both the series in general, and Ball in particular. Although i t did have a few classic comic moments, most of the humor just seemed forced and became increasingly mechanical as time went on; I could say pretty much the same thing about Ball's comedic persona-- a few instances of inspired comic mayhem, and a lot more of grating schtick.I totally agree with you on this. LB was no doubt talented at comedy, with the Vitametavegamin bit being heartstoppingly funny and the comedy gold standard. I do like the show basically for about two and a half seasons. The second season was the best, sharply written and performed, fresh comedy that holds up today. (The fact that Ball had baby fat and looked adorable didn't hurt) and I liked the 3rd season very much. My all-time favorite episode featured Ethel - "Ethel's Birthday" - and came mid-way 4th season. After that, off to Hollywood, and I never saw something go south so fast. Lucy Ricardo became insufferable. If Ricky didn't beat her, you sure wanted to. The last two seasons were painful with hardly a laugh in sight. "Off to Florida" being the sole exception. Still better than her later two shows. She was practically pre-infantile. By the time of "Here's Lucy", I half expected the plot line, "Lucy soils herself. Mayhem ensures." I don't doubt somebody attempted to sell that as a plot premise. OMG, she'd become so annoyingly shrill by that time, she practically made the viewer soil themself with that nicotine-soaked bray of hers. By the time of her final attempt at sitcom stardom--Life With Lucy (1986)--she was downright pathetic. You could virtually hear the bones creaking anytime she attempted anything physical, and you were less tempted to laugh than to fear she'd fatally injure herself. Gale Gordon was the only reason to tune in to that one, and even he couldn't offset how not funny she'd become by that point.
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 9, 2019 21:06:01 GMT
I totally agree with you on this. LB was no doubt talented at comedy, with the Vitametavegamin bit being heartstoppingly funny and the comedy gold standard. I do like the show basically for about two and a half seasons. The second season was the best, sharply written and performed, fresh comedy that holds up today. (The fact that Ball had baby fat and looked adorable didn't hurt) and I liked the 3rd season very much. My all-time favorite episode featured Ethel - "Ethel's Birthday" - and came mid-way 4th season. After that, off to Hollywood, and I never saw something go south so fast. Lucy Ricardo became insufferable. If Ricky didn't beat her, you sure wanted to. The last two seasons were painful with hardly a laugh in sight. "Off to Florida" being the sole exception. Still better than her later two shows. She was practically pre-infantile. By the time of "Here's Lucy", I half expected the plot line, "Lucy soils herself. Mayhem ensures." I don't doubt somebody attempted to sell that as a plot premise. OMG, she'd become so annoyingly shrill by that time, she practically made the viewer soil themself with that nicotine-soaked bray of hers. By the time of her final attempt at sitcom stardom--Life With Lucy (1986)--she was downright pathetic. You could virtually hear the bones creaking anytime she attempted anything physical, and you were less tempted to laugh than to fear she'd fatally injure herself. Gale Gordon was the only reason to tune in to that one, and even he couldn't offset how not funny she'd become by that point. You are smart and observant and funny. It was sad and pathetic to see her trying so hard. For the flip side of the Ball persona, check out the 1986 tv movie "Stone Pillow". It is likely the only chance to get to see Ball munching down on day old spinach like a demented bunny rabbit.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 9, 2019 21:35:24 GMT
I don't doubt somebody attempted to sell that as a plot premise. OMG, she'd become so annoyingly shrill by that time, she practically made the viewer soil themself with that nicotine-soaked bray of hers. By the time of her final attempt at sitcom stardom--Life With Lucy (1986)--she was downright pathetic. You could virtually hear the bones creaking anytime she attempted anything physical, and you were less tempted to laugh than to fear she'd fatally injure herself. Gale Gordon was the only reason to tune in to that one, and even he couldn't offset how not funny she'd become by that point. You are smart and observant and funny. It was sad and pathetic to see her trying so hard. For the flip side of the Ball persona, check out the 1986 tv movie "Stone Pillow". It is likely the only chance to get to see Ball munching down on day old spinach like a demented bunny rabbit. Thanks--you make me blush, lol. I remember that film. That was one performance where the critics really didn't love Lucy. She might have been better off attempting a comedy about a bag lady, she might have staked out a whole new comic terrain for herself .
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 9, 2019 22:22:05 GMT
If he hadn't been handsome, it would've been straight-up assault. If he'd been handsome he wouldn't have kissed you on the anything. ^^^Oh, look. My hare-brained little stalker followed me to yet another board.
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Post by amyghost on Oct 10, 2019 12:33:11 GMT
If he'd been handsome he wouldn't have kissed you on the anything. ^^^Oh, look. My hare-brained little stalker followed me to yet another board. I'd say go tell an admin, but I forget--you are one .
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Post by dirtypillows on Oct 10, 2019 17:37:34 GMT
I don't assault easily. If I were locked up in prison, I don't think I could hardly be a victim of rape. I am too willingly promiscuous for rape. But the French kiss on the street set the tone for the rest of the NYC trip. I had the best time. Now stop being so difficult Mr. Dirty by putting some realness and passion into the situation. You are only doing the "Me Too" movement a disservice by trivializing them and many of their pathetic claims, not to mention how sexually undermined and violated they are by men and their libidos. Oh, is that feminism I really mean, but not sure if "Me Too" and feminism are mutually exclusive.
How did you know his name? Did he tell you after he kissed you on the mouth and then walked off? We made eye contact and then he struck up a conversation. I know I told him it was my first trip to NYC and maybe whatever innocence I might have projected might have been attractive to him. We probably talked for no longer than a minute. And then before we went our own way, he kissed me. It was very exciting. He would have been in his mid 30s probably.
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Post by snsurone on Oct 27, 2019 21:01:57 GMT
Lucy was back on this morning. I daresay Hallmark must have been getting a lot of flak from the fans. I accept Lucy for what it was. A sitcom that was pretty funny but like all shows, it had a few flaws. Hmm, if Hallmark actually pays attention to viewers flak, maybe we'll be spared the 24/7 Christmas puke-a-thon this year. I sure hope so!
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