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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 0:40:58 GMT
Superman does not work as a Jesus analog. Pure and simple. Apart from being visitors from another place raised by Muggles, they have nothing in common. Absolutely nothing. There are, however, two Biblical figures Superman does work as an analog of: Moses and Samson. Or Hercules if you want to go with more than religion. The only reason why Snyder and Goyer tried to make Superman out to be a Jesus stand-in is because:
1) It looks cool. 2) They can pretend its deep. 3) Its easy to do. Just have Cavil do a crucified pose while flying or pose dramatically in front of a stain-glass window. Cut and print. 3) Everyone has enough passing knowledge of Jesus Christ to get all the empty symbolism they're being shown. 4) However, Moses and Samson aren't as universally known and symbolism based on them would be harder to pull off in a way that's understandable to everyone in the audience. Moses is more recognizable to audiences than Samson, because of a handful of major blockbusters based on him: The Ten Commandments and The Prince of Egypt. Samson, however, has had little penetration in pop culture, so his Greek and Roman counterparts would probably be preferable.
And if you still don't believe me, let's go down the list of how they're similar and different. Similarities between Jesus and Superman:
1. Originally from someone else, but ended up on Earth and raised by completely normal people. 2. Both died and resurrected.
And that's it, really. I had to trim both their stories down to nothing to find two superficial similarities, but they completely fall apart when you start including the specifics.
Differences:
Jesus of Nazareth is just the human avatar of an Almighty God. Kal-El/Clark Kent is not a reincarnation. Jesus was sent to live as an example to others and die for our sins. Kal-El was sent to Earth because it was the only way to save his life, cause his home planet goes boom. Jesus was a total Boy Scout because that's literally part of why he was here: to be a total Boy Scout. Superman is a total Boy Scout because his Ma and Pa raised him right. There is no greater purpose to him being on Earth apart from it being the only way for Jor-El to save him. Clark Kent CHOSE to be Superman, because he wanted to be Superman, not because of some mythical great destiny. Mary is the birth mother of Jesus. The Kents are both adoptive parents. Jesus was also a virgin birth. Martha isn't a virgin. She's just infertile. Or Jonathan's salmon don't swim upstream. Your pick. Jesus was a peaceful man who never got in fights and instead spent all his time preaching the word of His Father and performing miracles. Superman gets in fights ALL THE TIME and spends his time battling everything from space Cyborgs, to evil counterparts, to bald businessmen. Jesus allowed himself to be arrested, tried, and killed without a fuss, and endured all the beatings that went with it. Superman went down fighting a monster, more akin to how Beowulf died than anything else. Jesus resurrected after three days to fulfill a prophecy and a covenant. Superman resurrected after a year because readers made DC bring him back. Jesus had Disciples who followed him around at all times. Superman usually works alone. Jesus shared his power with Disciples to perform miracles. Other people only ever end up even a portion of Superman's powers because they either stole them or there was a freak accident. Jesus had no crippling weaknesses and only died at a time of his own choosing. Superman can die to a space rock and certainly has never walked into a situation intending to die. Jesus never had a lover. Superman has Lois.
Need I go on?
Now let's look at some similarities to Moses and Samson:
Moses and Superman were put in a crib/spacepod that carried them to safety, away from something that would have killed them (Egyptian soldiers/home planet going boom). Moses and Superman were raised by adoptive parents outside of their homeland, though still links back to their native people in different forms. Moses had his mother posing as his nursemaid and Superman has the fortress of solitude. Moses and Superman have liberated a race from slavery (and actually I think Superman's done that a few times now). Samson and Superman both have superhuman strength and were hailed as heroes to the people. Samson and Superman both fought overwhelming odds and succeeded time and time again. Samson and Superman both have a weakness that's absolutely crippling when exploited. Samson and Superman both died heroically performing one last act, killing their foes in the process.
And there you have it. In conclusion, Superman only has a few passing similarities to Jesus, but quite a few glaring ones to Moses and Samson (or Hercules). The bottom line, the Jesus = Superman approach does not work.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Oct 2, 2017 0:55:35 GMT
Not to mention he was created by a couple of Jews.
Although, as far as "battling bald businessmen" goes, Jesus did hate him some rich people.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 0:58:52 GMT
Not to mention he was created by a couple of Jews. Although, as far as "battling bald businessmen" goes, Jesus did hate him some rich people. Except Superman is best pals with Batman when Frank Miller's not involved.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Oct 2, 2017 3:19:42 GMT
um. Superman's best pal is Jimmy Olsen. get it together.
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Post by poelzig on Oct 2, 2017 3:35:41 GMT
How about The Spectre as an analogy for Jesus?
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 2, 2017 4:32:24 GMT
Jesus never had a lover. Superman has Lois. Jesus had Mary Magdalene.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 4:39:14 GMT
Jesus never had a lover. Superman has Lois. Jesus had Mary Magdalene. Wrong. Also, I note that you argue with no other part of my post. Admitting defeat?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 2, 2017 6:38:07 GMT
Superman does not work as a Jesus analog. Pure and simple. Apart from being visitors from another place raised by Muggles, they have nothing in common. Absolutely nothing. There are, however, two Biblical figures Superman does work as an analog of: Moses and Samson. Or Hercules if you want to go with more than religion. The only reason why Snyder and Goyer tried to make Superman out to be a Jesus stand-in is because: 1) It looks cool. 2) They can pretend its deep. 3) Its easy to do. Just have Cavil do a crucified pose while flying or pose dramatically in front of a stain-glass window. Cut and print. 3) Everyone has enough passing knowledge of Jesus Christ to get all the empty symbolism they're being shown. 4) However, Moses and Samson aren't as universally known and symbolism based on them would be harder to pull off in a way that's understandable to everyone in the audience. Moses is more recognizable to audiences than Samson, because of a handful of major blockbusters based on him: The Ten Commandments and The Prince of Egypt. Samson, however, has had little penetration in pop culture, so his Greek and Roman counterparts would probably be preferable. And if you still don't believe me, let's go down the list of how they're similar and different. Similarities between Jesus and Superman: 1. Originally from someone else, but ended up on Earth and raised by completely normal people. 2. Both died and resurrected. And that's it, really. I had to trim both their stories down to nothing to find two superficial similarities, but they completely fall apart when you start including the specifics. Differences: Jesus of Nazareth is just the human avatar of an Almighty God. Kal-El/Clark Kent is not a reincarnation. Jesus was sent to live as an example to others and die for our sins. Kal-El was sent to Earth because it was the only way to save his life, cause his home planet goes boom. Jesus was a total Boy Scout because that's literally part of why he was here: to be a total Boy Scout. Superman is a total Boy Scout because his Ma and Pa raised him right. There is no greater purpose to him being on Earth apart from it being the only way for Jor-El to save him. Clark Kent CHOSE to be Superman, because he wanted to be Superman, not because of some mythical great destiny. Mary is the birth mother of Jesus. The Kents are both adoptive parents. Jesus was also a virgin birth. Martha isn't a virgin. She's just infertile. Or Jonathan's salmon don't swim upstream. Your pick. Jesus was a peaceful man who never got in fights and instead spent all his time preaching the word of His Father and performing miracles. Superman gets in fights ALL THE TIME and spends his time battling everything from space Cyborgs, to evil counterparts, to bald businessmen. Jesus allowed himself to be arrested, tried, and killed without a fuss, and endured all the beatings that went with it. Superman went down fighting a monster, more akin to how Beowulf died than anything else. Jesus resurrected after three days to fulfill a prophecy and a covenant. Superman resurrected after a year because readers made DC bring him back. Jesus had Disciples who followed him around at all times. Superman usually works alone. Jesus shared his power with Disciples to perform miracles. Other people only ever end up even a portion of Superman's powers because they either stole them or there was a freak accident. Jesus had no crippling weaknesses and only died at a time of his own choosing. Superman can die to a space rock and certainly has never walked into a situation intending to die. Jesus never had a lover. Superman has Lois. Need I go on? Now let's look at some similarities to Moses and Samson: Moses and Superman were put in a crib/spacepod that carried them to safety, away from something that would have killed them (Egyptian soldiers/home planet going boom). Moses and Superman were raised by adoptive parents outside of their homeland, though still links back to their native people in different forms. Moses had his mother posing as his nursemaid and Superman has the fortress of solitude. Moses and Superman have liberated a race from slavery (and actually I think Superman's done that a few times now). Samson and Superman both have superhuman strength and were hailed as heroes to the people. Samson and Superman both fought overwhelming odds and succeeded time and time again. Samson and Superman both have a weakness that's absolutely crippling when exploited. Samson and Superman both died heroically performing one last act, killing their foes in the process. And there you have it. In conclusion, Superman only has a few passing similarities to Jesus, but quite a few glaring ones to Moses and Samson (or Hercules). The bottom line, the Jesus = Superman approach does not work. This post is excellent. Glad to see you're doing well, mang.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 2, 2017 7:12:30 GMT
So if Superman is suppose to represent Jesus, does that technically make Jor-El God? Does that make the Kents Mary and Joseph?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 2, 2017 9:30:12 GMT
Jesus, religiousraptor now? Anyway, per usual this assessment is as clumsy as it is confused. I will give you a few simple facts we need to get out of the way first before even discussing contents:
1. First, who claims that Superman is a Jesus analogue and in what regard, and in which films in what scene? Quotes and evidence, please.
2. What are the dogmatic parameters, assumtions and underlying facts of your apraisal (even Robocop is claimed to be a martial Jesus analogue by the filmmakers).
3. Analogue of which Jesus?
- The historical Jesus who was a preacher trying to become King of the Jews, chasing away Roman occupation? - Or one of the many biblical Son-of-God Jesus versions who greatly differed from each other, including having lovers or core teachings? - Or maybe the Koran Jesus version who never died on the cross and was just another prophet...?
So what is it? This qualifies as a mindless rant and confused opinion rather than an assessment. QED
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Post by dazz on Oct 2, 2017 10:06:25 GMT
Child who comes from the heavens raised by a childless couple who raise the child to be a good man, child also possess amazing powers that astound people, the child now a man becomes a figure for hope and preaches positive messages whilst performing miraculous feats, these feats both instils wonder and fear in people causing many to worship and others to fear him, ultimately the man gives his life for humanity and is brought back to life later.
Sure the DCEU version lacks the positive message aspect but also has Jor-E sending Kal-El to earth not just to save him but to save humanity, hoping Kal-El will in fact be the saviour of our world that no one could be for theirs, he was also willing to give his life for humanity in MOS he fights back only when his sacrifice would be in vein, also in MOS he is the miracle of his birth parents, where Jesus is a virgin birth Kal-El is a natural one the first non-genetically engineered birth for centuries if not longer on Krypton.
perfect no but it hits enough points, also it shouldn't match up perfectly because then it's too blatant, you cant do a virgin birth without people automatically going oh that's a Jesus thing, also who really cares? as already said which versions are you using as your basis and even then for which character Jesus or Superman, seeing as they both have various different interpretations so which are you using?
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 2, 2017 15:37:47 GMT
Child who comes from the heavens raised by a childless couple who raise the child to be a good man, child also possess amazing powers that astound people, the child now a man becomes a figure for hope and preaches positive messages whilst performing miraculous feats, these feats both instils wonder and fear in people causing many to worship and others to fear him, ultimately the man gives his life for humanity and is brought back to life later. Sure the DCEU version lacks the positive message aspect but also has Jor-E sending Kal-El to earth not just to save him but to save humanity, hoping Kal-El will in fact be the saviour of our world that no one could be for theirs, he was also willing to give his life for humanity in MOS he fights back only when his sacrifice would be in vein, also in MOS he is the miracle of his birth parents, where Jesus is a virgin birth Kal-El is a natural one the first non-genetically engineered birth for centuries if not longer on Krypton. perfect no but it hits enough points, also it shouldn't match up perfectly because then it's too blatant, you cant do a virgin birth without people automatically going oh that's a Jesus thing, also who really cares? as already said which versions are you using as your basis and even then for which character Jesus or Superman, seeing as they both have various different interpretations so which are you using? weirdraptor just got owned! weirdraptor thought he was clever starting this thread, but it's totally backfired. LOL!!!
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2017 16:25:38 GMT
Hm. dazz made these points admirably, but think of the arc here: The Father sends the Son from another world to be a savior for this one. The Son is found by two good people, who do not have children, who raise him and instill him with human virtue. He has "disciples" (the "Superman family," as they used to call it in the comics), suffers because of the sins of men, and (at points in Superman, Superman II, Superman Returns, and apparently Batman v. Superman) dies to save the world. This is the Christian story, told with obvious difference (it is not the exact same story) but close enough as to be immediately recognizable. In Superman Returns, "Supes is also beaten and pummeled by Luthor's minions after being rendered helpless by Kryptonite, and he's even pierced in the side with a Kryptonite 'spear.'" @weirdraptor should study his New Testament a bit more. While groups may fight and fight over whether Christ "had a lover" (Scripture is not immediately clear on this point one way or the other, though it leans towards "no"), Mary Magdalene was the first to see the resurrected Christ, and he was especially close to her. Is it exact? No. This is parallelism, symbolism, not a literal retelling of the story. And it's a beautiful thing, I think--"the Second-Greatest Story Ever Told," as it goes. I have not seen Batman v. Superman, though I've heard it isn't very good (and it seems too dark and gloomy for my tastes), but one can see a clear Christian parallel here in nearly every movie that came before--and quite apt, too, in my opinion.
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Post by sostie on Oct 2, 2017 17:21:40 GMT
I always saw it as Superman seen as a messiah..not The Messiah. And therefore Jesus comparisons are pointless
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 2, 2017 17:29:23 GMT
I always saw it as Superman seen as a messiah..not The Messiah. And therefore Jesus comparisons are pointless exactemente the god sent savior is an archetype and trope existing loooong before the Jesus myth. Supes is just another's incarnation of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 21:06:36 GMT
Hm. dazz made these points admirably, but think of the arc here: The Father sends the Son from another world to be a savior for this one. The Son is found by two good people, who do not have children, who raise him and instill him with human virtue. He has "disciples" (the "Superman family," as they used to call it in the comics), suffers because of the sins of men, and (at points in Superman, Superman II, Superman Returns, and apparently Batman v. Superman) dies to save the world. This is the Christian story, told with obvious difference (it is not the exact same story) but close enough as to be immediately recognizable. In Superman Returns, "Supes is also beaten and pummeled by Luthor's minions after being rendered helpless by Kryptonite, and he's even pierced in the side with a Kryptonite 'spear.'" @weirdraptor should study his New Testament a bit more. While groups may fight and fight over whether Christ "had a lover" (Scripture is not immediately clear on this point one way or the other, though it leans towards "no"), Mary Magdalene was the first to see the resurrected Christ, and he was especially close to her. Is it exact? No. This is parallelism, symbolism, not a literal retelling of the story. And it's a beautiful thing, I think--"the Second-Greatest Story Ever Told," as it goes. I have not seen Batman v. Superman, though I've heard it isn't very good (and it seems too dark and gloomy for my tastes), but one can see a clear Christian parallel here in nearly every movie that came before--and quite apt, too, in my opinion. I in no way need to study the New Testament more. Superman is in no way a Christ analog, because he just doesn't work as one, as stated why. No one on this topic has actually refuted anything I've said. You've all just taken very general and loose definitions of Jesus' life and tried to apply to Superman whereas I used specifics, all of which still stand unrefuted.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 21:07:01 GMT
Superman does not work as a Jesus analog. Pure and simple. Apart from being visitors from another place raised by Muggles, they have nothing in common. Absolutely nothing. There are, however, two Biblical figures Superman does work as an analog of: Moses and Samson. Or Hercules if you want to go with more than religion. The only reason why Snyder and Goyer tried to make Superman out to be a Jesus stand-in is because: 1) It looks cool. 2) They can pretend its deep. 3) Its easy to do. Just have Cavil do a crucified pose while flying or pose dramatically in front of a stain-glass window. Cut and print. 3) Everyone has enough passing knowledge of Jesus Christ to get all the empty symbolism they're being shown. 4) However, Moses and Samson aren't as universally known and symbolism based on them would be harder to pull off in a way that's understandable to everyone in the audience. Moses is more recognizable to audiences than Samson, because of a handful of major blockbusters based on him: The Ten Commandments and The Prince of Egypt. Samson, however, has had little penetration in pop culture, so his Greek and Roman counterparts would probably be preferable. And if you still don't believe me, let's go down the list of how they're similar and different. Similarities between Jesus and Superman: 1. Originally from someone else, but ended up on Earth and raised by completely normal people. 2. Both died and resurrected. And that's it, really. I had to trim both their stories down to nothing to find two superficial similarities, but they completely fall apart when you start including the specifics. Differences: Jesus of Nazareth is just the human avatar of an Almighty God. Kal-El/Clark Kent is not a reincarnation. Jesus was sent to live as an example to others and die for our sins. Kal-El was sent to Earth because it was the only way to save his life, cause his home planet goes boom. Jesus was a total Boy Scout because that's literally part of why he was here: to be a total Boy Scout. Superman is a total Boy Scout because his Ma and Pa raised him right. There is no greater purpose to him being on Earth apart from it being the only way for Jor-El to save him. Clark Kent CHOSE to be Superman, because he wanted to be Superman, not because of some mythical great destiny. Mary is the birth mother of Jesus. The Kents are both adoptive parents. Jesus was also a virgin birth. Martha isn't a virgin. She's just infertile. Or Jonathan's salmon don't swim upstream. Your pick. Jesus was a peaceful man who never got in fights and instead spent all his time preaching the word of His Father and performing miracles. Superman gets in fights ALL THE TIME and spends his time battling everything from space Cyborgs, to evil counterparts, to bald businessmen. Jesus allowed himself to be arrested, tried, and killed without a fuss, and endured all the beatings that went with it. Superman went down fighting a monster, more akin to how Beowulf died than anything else. Jesus resurrected after three days to fulfill a prophecy and a covenant. Superman resurrected after a year because readers made DC bring him back. Jesus had Disciples who followed him around at all times. Superman usually works alone. Jesus shared his power with Disciples to perform miracles. Other people only ever end up even a portion of Superman's powers because they either stole them or there was a freak accident. Jesus had no crippling weaknesses and only died at a time of his own choosing. Superman can die to a space rock and certainly has never walked into a situation intending to die. Jesus never had a lover. Superman has Lois. Need I go on? Now let's look at some similarities to Moses and Samson: Moses and Superman were put in a crib/spacepod that carried them to safety, away from something that would have killed them (Egyptian soldiers/home planet going boom). Moses and Superman were raised by adoptive parents outside of their homeland, though still links back to their native people in different forms. Moses had his mother posing as his nursemaid and Superman has the fortress of solitude. Moses and Superman have liberated a race from slavery (and actually I think Superman's done that a few times now). Samson and Superman both have superhuman strength and were hailed as heroes to the people. Samson and Superman both fought overwhelming odds and succeeded time and time again. Samson and Superman both have a weakness that's absolutely crippling when exploited. Samson and Superman both died heroically performing one last act, killing their foes in the process. And there you have it. In conclusion, Superman only has a few passing similarities to Jesus, but quite a few glaring ones to Moses and Samson (or Hercules). The bottom line, the Jesus = Superman approach does not work. This post is excellent. Glad to see you're doing well, mang. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 21:09:25 GMT
Child who comes from the heavens raised by a childless couple who raise the child to be a good man, child also possess amazing powers that astound people, the child now a man becomes a figure for hope and preaches positive messages whilst performing miraculous feats, these feats both instils wonder and fear in people causing many to worship and others to fear him, ultimately the man gives his life for humanity and is brought back to life later. Sure the DCEU version lacks the positive message aspect but also has Jor-E sending Kal-El to earth not just to save him but to save humanity, hoping Kal-El will in fact be the saviour of our world that no one could be for theirs, he was also willing to give his life for humanity in MOS he fights back only when his sacrifice would be in vein, also in MOS he is the miracle of his birth parents, where Jesus is a virgin birth Kal-El is a natural one the first non-genetically engineered birth for centuries if not longer on Krypton. perfect no but it hits enough points, also it shouldn't match up perfectly because then it's too blatant, you cant do a virgin birth without people automatically going oh that's a Jesus thing, also who really cares? as already said which versions are you using as your basis and even then for which character Jesus or Superman, seeing as they both have various different interpretations so which are you using? You go over points I already disproved. Firstly, Superman is not from the heavens. He's from another planet. He's not a god or Messiah. He's a superhero. There is a big difference. As for the miracles and superpowers, I already mentioned he's closer to Moses and Samson (or Hercules). Having Jor-El by a godlike figure who thinks humankind needs saving is banal and assinine, at best. He's just an alien scientist. Nothing more. I care because Superman does not work as a Jesus analog. They used him as a Jesus analog because its easy, not because it works.
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Post by dazz on Oct 2, 2017 22:39:49 GMT
Child who comes from the heavens raised by a childless couple who raise the child to be a good man, child also possess amazing powers that astound people, the child now a man becomes a figure for hope and preaches positive messages whilst performing miraculous feats, these feats both instils wonder and fear in people causing many to worship and others to fear him, ultimately the man gives his life for humanity and is brought back to life later. Sure the DCEU version lacks the positive message aspect but also has Jor-E sending Kal-El to earth not just to save him but to save humanity, hoping Kal-El will in fact be the saviour of our world that no one could be for theirs, he was also willing to give his life for humanity in MOS he fights back only when his sacrifice would be in vein, also in MOS he is the miracle of his birth parents, where Jesus is a virgin birth Kal-El is a natural one the first non-genetically engineered birth for centuries if not longer on Krypton. perfect no but it hits enough points, also it shouldn't match up perfectly because then it's too blatant, you cant do a virgin birth without people automatically going oh that's a Jesus thing, also who really cares? as already said which versions are you using as your basis and even then for which character Jesus or Superman, seeing as they both have various different interpretations so which are you using? You go over points I already disproved. Firstly, Superman is not from the heavens. He's from another planet. He's not a god or Messiah. He's a superhero. There is a big difference. As for the miracles and superpowers, I already mentioned he's closer to Moses and Samson (or Hercules). Having Jor-El by a godlike figure who thinks humankind needs saving is banal and assinine, at best. He's just an alien scientist. Nothing more. I care because Superman does not work as a Jesus analog. They used him as a Jesus analog because its easy, not because it works. You didn't disprove anything except they are not 100% identical, if it's 100% identical it's just a copy, Superman fits most criteria for Jesus when you allow for deviation, the heavens work when referring to both outer space and god.
The idea is similar to the thought that any technology sufficiently more advanced than that we can comprehend is essentially "magic", so a benevolent advanced being like Jor-El can fit with God especially with how he factors into the rest of MOS, appearing to Clark & Lois despite dying years ago, have "magical" control on the ships.
You're moaning because it's not a perfect comparison but it's not meant to be, if it were it would just be Jesus in a cape, the differences allow for creativity, you didn't say really why these alterations take away from the comparison just that see it's not exact so meh, it's childish, if you have a better point then make it, I like to hear different pov's but your not showing one beyond a very immature that's not perfect haha approach, which if flipped does the exact same to your Samson & Moses arguments, in them you make a few points of comparison for both but that's it, Superman has more with Jesus however, miracle child from the heavens check, godlike powers check, raised by normal adopted parents *if jesus is just the reincarnation of god he is not truly Mary's son, no more than any other surrogate is* check, sent by a benevolent and powerful father to help humanity find it's way check, his abilities garner him both adoration & worship as well as hatred and fear check, he encourages and inspires others to carry on his mission check, he gives his life to save humanity check, he is resurrected check, that is the same as the combined number of connections that Samson & Moses had so he's closer to Jesus than either of them by your logic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 22:57:33 GMT
You go over points I already disproved. Firstly, Superman is not from the heavens. He's from another planet. He's not a god or Messiah. He's a superhero. There is a big difference. As for the miracles and superpowers, I already mentioned he's closer to Moses and Samson (or Hercules). Having Jor-El by a godlike figure who thinks humankind needs saving is banal and assinine, at best. He's just an alien scientist. Nothing more. I care because Superman does not work as a Jesus analog. They used him as a Jesus analog because its easy, not because it works. You didn't disprove anything except they are not 100% identical, if it's 100% identical it's just a copy, Superman fits most criteria for Jesus when you allow for deviation, the heavens work when referring to both outer space and god.
The idea is similar to the thought that any technology sufficiently more advanced than that we can comprehend is essentially "magic", so a benevolent advanced being like Jor-El can fit with God especially with how he factors into the rest of MOS, appearing to Clark & Lois despite dying years ago, have "magical" control on the ships.
You're moaning because it's not a perfect comparison but it's not meant to be, if it were it would just be Jesus in a cape, the differences allow for creativity, you didn't say really why these alterations take away from the comparison just that see it's not exact so meh, it's childish, if you have a better point then make it, I like to hear different pov's but your not showing one beyond a very immature that's not perfect haha approach, which if flipped does the exact same to your Samson & Moses arguments, in them you make a few points of comparison for both but that's it, Superman has more with Jesus however, miracle child from the heavens check, godlike powers check, raised by normal adopted parents *if jesus is just the reincarnation of god he is not truly Mary's son, no more than any other surrogate is* check, sent by a benevolent and powerful father to help humanity find it's way check, his abilities garner him both adoration & worship as well as hatred and fear check, he encourages and inspires others to carry on his mission check, he gives his life to save humanity check, he is resurrected check, that is the same as the combined number of connections that Samson & Moses had so he's closer to Jesus than either of them by your logic.
Yes, I did. I proved they have little in common and much in difference. Superman does not fit the Jesus criteria at all. Your argument about Jor-El falls apart because all his technology is recognizable as technology and Kal-El did not come to earth during an ancient when technology could have been mistaken for magic. Jor-El is a scientist and appears only as a scientist. There is nothing "godly" about his presence at all. No, I'm pointing out that the analogy falls apart completely when put under any kind of scrutiny. The filmmakers of the DCEU are completely wrong-minded to try turning Superman into a Jesus analog. Actually, I can really say that, because Superman and Jesus are completely different when you get right down to it and you will never convince anyone otherwise. Its not just "not perfect", its incompetent. Actually, my Moses and Samson arguments hold up better than Superman=Jesus arguments. Sorry. Superman does not have more in common with Jesus than both two. Not at all. "miracle child from the heavens check" Nope. Jonathan and Martha are his adoptive parents the same way Pharaoh and his wife adopted Moses. And Clark isn't a miracle child. "godlike powers check" Moses and Samsom/Hercules. "raised by normal adopted parents" Moses, again. Mary actually was Jesus's mother. Joseph was the only stepparent. "*if jesus is just the reincarnation of god he is not truly Mary's son, no more than any other surrogate is*" Mary is referred to his mother in Scripture, so yes, she is. "sent by a benevolent and powerful father to help humanity find it's way check" Superman was sent to Earth to save his life. No other reason. So, Moses again. "his abilities garner him both adoration & worship as well as hatred and fear check" Except there is no adoration for Superman in MoS and BvS. So, Moses and Samson again. "he encourages and inspires others to carry on his mission check" Only because Snyder needed him to do so keep the weak analogy going, but he does nothing to inspire others. And he has no mission to continue as far as anyone knows. He doesn't give any prophecies or issue any orders to his Disciples, because he has none. "he gives his life to save humanity check" Samson. This still doesn't work because Samson and Superman both die violently killing their enemy. Jesus peacefully dies without taking a single life. "he is resurrected check" And that's the only way he's similar to Jesus, but by that logic, so is every other comic book character. Actually, he's still more like Moses and Samson. You just can't accept that Snyder and Goyer are incompetent imbeciles.
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