One simple fact we need to get out of the way.

Oct 2, 2017 22:57:33 GMT @weirdraptor said:

Oct 2, 2017 22:39:49 GMT dazz said:

You didn't disprove anything except they are not 100% identical, if it's 100% identical it's just a copy, Superman fits most criteria for Jesus when you allow for deviation, the heavens work when referring to both outer space and god.

The idea is similar to the thought that any technology sufficiently more advanced than that we can comprehend is essentially "magic", so a benevolent advanced being like Jor-El can fit with God especially with how he factors into the rest of MOS, appearing to Clark & Lois despite dying years ago, have "magical" control on the ships.

You're moaning because it's not a perfect comparison but it's not meant to be, if it were it would just be Jesus in a cape, the differences allow for creativity, you didn't say really why these alterations take away from the comparison just that see it's not exact so meh, it's childish, if you have a better point then make it, I like to hear different pov's but your not showing one beyond a very immature that's not perfect haha approach, which if flipped does the exact same to your Samson & Moses arguments, in them you make a few points of comparison for both but that's it, Superman has more with Jesus however, miracle child from the heavens check, godlike powers check, raised by normal adopted parents *if jesus is just the reincarnation of god he is not truly Mary's son, no more than any other surrogate is* check, sent by a benevolent and powerful father to help humanity find it's way check, his abilities garner him both adoration & worship as well as hatred and fear check, he encourages and inspires others to carry on his mission check, he gives his life to save humanity check, he is resurrected check, that is the same as the combined number of connections that Samson & Moses had so he's closer to Jesus than either of them by your logic.

Yes, I did. I proved they have little in common and much in difference. Superman does not fit the Jesus criteria at all.

Your argument about Jor-El falls apart because all his technology is recognizable as technology and Kal-El did not come to earth during an ancient when technology could have been mistaken for magic. Jor-El is a scientist and appears only as a scientist. There is nothing "godly" about his presence at all.

No, I'm pointing out that the analogy falls apart completely when put under any kind of scrutiny. The filmmakers of the DCEU are completely wrong-minded to try turning Superman into a Jesus analog. Actually, I can really say that, because Superman and Jesus are completely different when you get right down to it and you will never convince anyone otherwise. Its not just "not perfect", its incompetent. Actually, my Moses and Samson arguments hold up better than Superman=Jesus arguments. Sorry.
Superman does not have more in common with Jesus than both two. Not at all.

"miracle child from the heavens check"
Nope. Jonathan and Martha are his adoptive parents the same way Pharaoh and his wife adopted Moses. And Clark isn't a miracle child.

"godlike powers check"
Moses and Samsom/Hercules.

"raised by normal adopted parents"
Moses, again. Mary actually was Jesus's mother. Joseph was the only stepparent.

"*if jesus is just the reincarnation of god he is not truly Mary's son, no more than any other surrogate is*"
Mary is referred to his mother in Scripture, so yes, she is.

"sent by a benevolent and powerful father to help humanity find it's way check"
Superman was sent to Earth to save his life. No other reason. So, Moses again.

"his abilities garner him both adoration & worship as well as hatred and fear check"
Except there is no adoration for Superman in MoS and BvS. So, Moses and Samson again.

"he encourages and inspires others to carry on his mission check"
Only because Snyder needed him to do so keep the weak analogy going, but he does nothing to inspire others. And he has no mission to continue as far as anyone knows. He doesn't give any prophecies or issue any orders to his Disciples, because he has none.

"he gives his life to save humanity check"
Samson. This still doesn't work because Samson and Superman both die violently killing their enemy. Jesus peacefully dies without taking a single life.

"he is resurrected check"
And that's the only way he's similar to Jesus, but by that logic, so is every other comic book character.

Actually, he's still more like Moses and Samson. You just can't accept that Snyder and Goyer are incompetent imbeciles.

And the bold shows your ignorance, because I disagree with you here I must also hold opposite opinions to you everywhere? nope I think BVS was the drizzling shits mate, I just don't agree that Superman does not fit the Jesus metaphor is all, I can do both you see, and if you were not so immature and defensive you would recognise this.

Also do not quote scripture as fucking fact, back then they did not even conceive the idea women could carry the child of another couples and share no bloodline, it's basically she popped him out he must be hers, but it Jesus is the reincarnation of god he isn't her blood there by she is a surrogate and there for an adoptive parent.

Saying oh no that's only done to force an analogy, no shit mate, that's how these things work, you write something to lead to something to fill a specific desire in your story, Superman historically inspires others, his death inspires new heroes to stand up, in the film his sacrifice inspires Batman who has grown cold and Wonder Woman who stepped away from mankind to both realise they need to be the heroes that they were and can be again.

Superman also gives his life twice, once peacefully until he realises his sacrifice will result in the death of humanity so he fights to protect it, then yes he dies in battle to slay Doomsday not perfect but the two blended does fit the motif.

Did you miss the part in BVS where Superman is a conflicting character with others, or where he is swarmed by people in face paint in a peaceful and adoring way? Also how do you think his statue was built? on hatred? though some or many fear and hate him as many adore him, when in need they signal for him, so this also works.

Superman was sent primarily to save his life but what he can do for humanity has almost always part of it to, Jor-El knows earths sun will give Kal-El great abilities and make him near godlike to humanity, Jor-El leaves his teaching behind to help mould Kal-El to be the hero earth needs in various incarnations including MOS.

Jor-El and his technology is only recognisable to those who learn what he is, had he appeared to Lois or Clark without explaining himself he comes across supernatural, sure they can comprehend the idea of what he truly is but not outright, similar to Superman on first glance he seems godly but then when you learn his power comes from the sun he becomes a little less so, but it needs to be explained, it's not just outright figured out.

Kal-El is a miracle, the first natural birth in hundreds of years amongst a dying planet withering due to it's own advancements and sterility, also Superman's powers are vast unlike the others but similar to Jesus, both possess pretty much any power they need at any moment, they aren't limited.

The biggest disparity between the characters is Jesus is a pacifist where as Superman is willing to throw down, but then a superhero who wont fight is lame so Superman hits people cause that's fun.