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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 2, 2017 0:42:12 GMT
So contrary to what the phrasing of that article from a few days ago might have suggested, there is no indication that the DCEU (or whatever we’re supposed to call it now) is ending. What was said is that essentially, these films won’t be heavily tied into one another moving forward like the MCU films are.
In other words, instead of having one particular film building up to some grand story arc that’ll be covered later down the line like what the MCU has been doing with the Infinity Stones, the films in DC’s shared universe after JL will more or less function as standalones that will introduce a conflict and resolve said conflict in the span of a single film, with no dangling plot threads left behind.
My question is, should that really be considered a bad thing? Admittedly, it’s a much simpler approach compared to what the MCU usually does, but I don’t see why it should be considered a bad thing. It’s not like the DC Animated Universe had any real connective tissue between its shows that built up to something later down the line, outside of the occasional team-up.
Frankly, I think it should actually be considered a good thing for DC to take a different approach from Marvel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 0:48:37 GMT
It is a bad thing when you're trying to create an interconnected universe. You can't just plan as you go. You have to be at least five steps ahead.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 2, 2017 0:51:22 GMT
It's not a bad thing if the execution is good.
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Post by thedarklantern on Oct 2, 2017 1:46:19 GMT
Not a bad thing at all. One thing that killed DC and Marvel (in comics) for me is the heavy emphasis on crossovers and intercontinuity. I don't have much time to read comics much nowadays, but the last title from the big two I picked up and enjoyed was R L Stine's Man Thing 6 issue series from Marvel, and in the case of DC the Green Lantern/ Space Ghost one shot. Both respective titles just told good stories that standalone in their own right. Movies that worked like that (although perhaps featuring cameos from other characters) would be welcome.
To draw an analogy is the way HP Lovecraft created the Cthulhu Mythos (although IIRC HPL didn't use that term himself) and invited other writers to refer to names/elements of his universe/pantheon, but without a rigid connection between everybody elses' work, basically more like a sandbox, I guess, with little easter eggs for the fans.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 2, 2017 6:54:05 GMT
It is a bad thing when you're trying to create an interconnected universe. You can't just plan as you go. You have to be at least five steps ahead.You're right about this, of course. But does the "mostly separate" approach OP describes necessarily preclude them from planning ahead? I guess what I mean is: the movies don't have to be richly and densely interconnected to (a) plan them in advance and even (b) drop hints/Easter eggs/foreshadowing for future projects, right? I know you see that density as one of the MCU's greatest strengths, but maybe this is the DCEU's attempt to differentiate themselves from a branding standpoint. Or they're just too lazy to plan ahead, and I'm giving them way more credit than they deserve. But I hope it's the first one! |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 2, 2017 10:40:51 GMT
No, it's important that the narrative arc is solid and the pacing is adequate.
If it's too stretched out over too many movies it will become a bland mess and lose appeal (see many TV shows never coming to the point). Also, does the MCU sport an narrative arc? Yeah? What is it, about a CGI-baddie who in 16+ movies appeared for rougly under 2 minutes and whose lackeys constanly lose to the heroes? How exiting. Or some generic magical, fantasy stones that will likely be a deus ex machina device for defeating the baddies for good? Yawn! Come to the point already.
I understand that the DCEU is essentially about forming the Justice Leaguea, some developing character ars, and an invasion by a guy called Darkseid - well if you tell that simplistic story arc please do so under 10 movies, ok?
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 2, 2017 15:42:10 GMT
No, it's important that the narrative arc is solid and the pacing is adequate.
If it's too stretched out over too many movies it will become a bland mess and lose appeal (see many TV shows never coming to the point). Also, does the MCU sport an narrative arc? Yeah? What is it, about a CGI-baddie who in 16+ movies appeared for rougly under 2 minutes and whose lackeys constanly lose to the heroes? How exiting. Or some generic magical, fantasy stones that will likely be a deus ex machina device for defeating the baddies for good? Yawn! Come to the point already.
I understand that the DCEU is essentially about forming the Justice Leaguea, some developing character ars, and an invasion by a guy called Darkseid - well if you tell that simplistic story arc please do so under 10 movies, ok? Well, MCU knows that it has a limited shelf life (since no one will watch MCU after IW finishes and RDJ and all the other main stars leave) so MCU has to stretch it out so they can squeeze every last penny out of the MCU zombies. That's why MCU not only put a shitty TV show in theaters but made the MCU zombies pay IMAX money to watch it in theaters. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 21:16:24 GMT
It is a bad thing when you're trying to create an interconnected universe. You can't just plan as you go. You have to be at least five steps ahead.You're right about this, of course. But does the "mostly separate" approach OP describes necessarily preclude them from planning ahead? I guess what I mean is: the movies don't have to be richly and densely interconnected to (a) plan them in advance and even (b) drop hints/Easter eggs/foreshadowing for future projects, right? I know you see that density as one of the MCU's greatest strengths, but maybe this is the DCEU's attempt to differentiate themselves from a branding standpoint. Or they're just too lazy to plan ahead, and I'm giving them way more credit than they deserve. But I hope it's the first one! Even if they go for a loosely connected approach, they still have to work around actors' schedules and do a whole bunch of other prep work. So yeah, that still requires staying a few steps ahead, though perhaps not a whole give steps. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 3, 2017 12:27:42 GMT
They're fine if you write it well and there's a nice big pay off at the end. Most of the time it feels like a cheap gimmick, especially in comic books.
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Post by sostie on Oct 3, 2017 13:00:48 GMT
No, it's important that the narrative arc is solid and the pacing is adequate.
If it's too stretched out over too many movies it will become a bland mess and lose appeal (see many TV shows never coming to the point). Also, does the MCU sport an narrative arc? Yeah? What is it, about a CGI-baddie who in 16+ movies appeared for rougly under 2 minutes and whose lackeys constanly lose to the heroes? How exiting. Or some generic magical, fantasy stones that will likely be a deus ex machina device for defeating the baddies for good? Yawn! Come to the point already.
I understand that the DCEU is essentially about forming the Justice Leaguea, some developing character ars, and an invasion by a guy called Darkseid - well if you tell that simplistic story arc please do so under 10 movies, ok? Well, MCU knows that it has a limited shelf life (since no one will watch MCU after IW finishes and RDJ and all the other main stars leave) so MCU has to stretch it out so they can squeeze every last penny out of the MCU zombies. That's why MCU not only put a shitty TV show in theaters but made the MCU zombies pay IMAX money to watch it in theaters. Well ignoring your predictions, which in the past have proven to be off the mark, who on Earth forced anyone to go and watch Inhumans in theatres? The transmission dates were known well in advance, and not that far away. All it did was give some fans an option to see it on the big screen if they wanted. An option or opportunity I'm sure you would have applauded if a DC TV series did the same |
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