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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 0:02:28 GMT
Now looks who's making excuses. Oh, please, if the first two Blade films weren't well-received by audiences, they wouldn't have survived long enough to form a full trilogy. I’m not making excuses. Like I said, I will not be be one of those people who will claim that BP and CM will be well received just because they star a black guy and a woman respectively. The MCU has long proven itself to have a strong track record. It’s two lowest rated movies are still “fresh” on Rotten Tomatoes, and everything else is certified fresh, including IM2 and AoU, which I personally thought were lackluster. My only point is that if you want to apply the “female movie” argument to WW’s success, don’t be surprised if certain DC trolls use similar arguments to argue de-legitimize the inevitable success of BP and CM. I have all the idiots who'll do that on my block list already, but thanks for the head's up.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 7, 2017 0:03:56 GMT
1. The Hulk is still a recognizable character, and many people actually regarded him as one of their favorite parts of the movie. That puts a whole in your argument about how the film starred a bunch of D-listers. 2. I never said he was a $1.5 billion character yet, but he wasn’t an obscure D-lister by that point either. 1. For someone who keeps blabbing about boxoffice mojo, you show a stunning lack of knowledge about the poor performances of both the prior Hulk films. Everything you just said is irrelevant considering that Hulk (2003) and The Incredible Hulk (2008) quite clearly show that the character wasn't a booster. 2. Irrelevant. He wasn't anywhere near Batman's level, and yet Avengers kicked the shit out of The Dark Knight Rises. You keep trying to assert that The Avengers didn't earn their billion and a half like a typical DC fanatic, but it won't work. 1. I’m well aware of how poorly the Hulk movies did. That had to do with factors such as the poor reception to the Ang Lee film (that movie had a lot of hype until people actually started seeing it). 2. This seems like a non-seqeuitor. We aren’t even talking about TDKR.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 7, 2017 0:04:30 GMT
It had strong legs because it was considered a good film in general. The fact that it starred a woman did help a bit in the fact that the movie had a stronger percentage of female viewers than most other superhero movies, but the movie also had a lot of rewatchability for many people. Oh, please. The fact it starred a woman doubled the money it would have made otherwise. Switch the gender of the leads and you get an average film that would make Ant-man numbers. Is that why the Ghostbusters reboot flopped.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 0:07:09 GMT
1. For someone who keeps blabbing about boxoffice mojo, you show a stunning lack of knowledge about the poor performances of both the prior Hulk films. Everything you just said is irrelevant considering that Hulk (2003) and The Incredible Hulk (2008) quite clearly show that the character wasn't a booster. 2. Irrelevant. He wasn't anywhere near Batman's level, and yet Avengers kicked the shit out of The Dark Knight Rises. You keep trying to assert that The Avengers didn't earn their billion and a half like a typical DC fanatic, but it won't work. 1. I’m well aware of how poorly the Hulk movies did. That had to do with factors such as the poor reception to the Ang Lee film (that movie had a lot of hype until people actually started seeing it). 2. This seems like a non-seqeuitor. We aren’t even talking about TDKR. 1. Point is, Hulk was down on the same level as Cap, Thor, Widow, and Hawkeye by the time Avengers came out. 2. Point is, Ironman wasn't quite up to A-list status, either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 0:11:19 GMT
Oh, please. The fact it starred a woman doubled the money it would have made otherwise. Switch the gender of the leads and you get an average film that would make Ant-man numbers. Is that why the Ghostbusters reboot flopped. Nice try, but the two are nowhere near equivalent.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 7, 2017 0:31:30 GMT
Because the artificial boosters are too obvious. How exactly do you determine which movie does and which movie doesn’t receive these “artificial boosters”? Did The Avengers get an artificial booster from being a team-up movie? Did Spider-Man:Homecoming receive a booster from being released after the Amazing Spider-Man films? Everyone went into Avengers knowing it was a team-up. In fact that was something it was derided for, because people thought that you couldn't DO a team-up of that may heroes. Of course, the prior MCU movies had been decent if not good which helped build up cred. Homecoming had a booster in Iron Man being there (for TEN MINUTES TOTAL) but people seemed to deride this so it sort of backfired. But the movie persevered. Look, I'm not saying WW wasn't a decent and competently made. I don't think it was a masterpiece.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 7, 2017 0:33:25 GMT
Is that why the Ghostbusters reboot flopped. Nice try, but the two are nowhere near equivalent. Why not? They’re both Summer blockbusters part of established franchises that usually caters more towards males.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 7, 2017 0:36:15 GMT
It had strong legs because it was considered a good film in general. The fact that it starred a woman did help a bit in the fact that the movie had a stronger percentage of female viewers than most other superhero movies, but the movie also had a lot of rewatchability for many people. I have to say, I honestly can't see where the rewatchability is. Not all that much happens, the ending is really generic, the beginning is long. The only series I would call memorable is the battle sequence in the middle. It's a good film, not great, but decent enough, but in all seriousness it's pretty thin. So I'm asking where is the rewatch value? I’d say the rewatchability has to do with the fact that it is a film that is easy to follow, has a very memorable second act, and some charming characters.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 1:02:31 GMT
Nice try, but the two are nowhere near equivalent. Why not? They’re both Summer blockbusters part of established franchises that usually caters more towards males. Ghostbusters Reboot has its total mismanagement to blame for it flopping. A female led Ghostbusters probably would have been if it was decent (and didn't have that ridiculous media clusterbomb surrounding it).
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 7, 2017 1:18:20 GMT
Why not? They’re both Summer blockbusters part of established franchises that usually caters more towards males. Ghostbusters Reboot has its total mismanagement to blame for it flopping. A female led Ghostbusters probably would have been if it was decent (and didn't have that ridiculous media clusterbomb surrounding it). It also proves that a blockbuster movie can’t simply get by on the grounds of starring women. The movie even had decent reviews, yet it still flopped. WW on the other hand managed to be a success because it was a movie that hit the right notes that the Ghostbusters reboot didn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 1:20:23 GMT
Ghostbusters Reboot has its total mismanagement to blame for it flopping. A female led Ghostbusters probably would have been if it was decent (and didn't have that ridiculous media clusterbomb surrounding it). It also proves that a blockbuster movie can’t simply get by on the grounds of starring women. The movie even had decent reviews, yet it still flopped. WW on the other hand managed to be a success because it was a movie that hit the right notes that the Ghostbusters reboot didn’t. I never said they did. I said Wonder Woman because a hit because it was the first halfway decent superheroine film. And halfway decent is all it is. Demand for a female led superhero film did the rest.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 7, 2017 1:25:48 GMT
It also proves that a blockbuster movie can’t simply get by on the grounds of starring women. The movie even had decent reviews, yet it still flopped. WW on the other hand managed to be a success because it was a movie that hit the right notes that the Ghostbusters reboot didn’t. I never said they did. I said Wonder Woman because a hit because it was the first halfway decent superheroine film. And halfway decent is all it is. Demand for a female led superhero film did the rest. If the general consensus was that the movie was only “halfway decent” I don’t think that would really translate to how strong it’s holds were. People simply liked the movie. They liked Chris Pine and Gal Gadot, and they liked stuff like the No Man’s Land scene.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 1:32:12 GMT
I never said they did. I said Wonder Woman because a hit because it was the first halfway decent superheroine film. And halfway decent is all it is. Demand for a female led superhero film did the rest. If the general consensus was that the movie was only “halfway decent” I don’t think that would really translate to how strong it’s holds were. People simply liked the movie. They liked Chris Pine and Gal Gadot, and they liked stuff like the No Man’s Land scene. Like I said, everyone had kid gloves on it and were nice to it. Make the film "Dinos, Prince of Themyscira" with almost the same script about the Prince going on adventures with his female spy friend to stop Ares, and the film would have been regarded as average at best and gotten Ant-Man numbers.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 7, 2017 1:36:29 GMT
If the general consensus was that the movie was only “halfway decent” I don’t think that would really translate to how strong it’s holds were. People simply liked the movie. They liked Chris Pine and Gal Gadot, and they liked stuff like the No Man’s Land scene. Like I said, everyone had kid gloves on it and were nice to it. Make the film "Dinos, Prince of Themyscira" with almost the same script about the Prince going on adventures with his female spy friend to stop Ares, and the film would have been regarded as average at best and gotten Ant-Man numbers. You’re using that argument again, even though it wouldn’t explain why movies like Ghost in the Shell and Rough Night weren’t well received and did poorly at the box office. Rough Night was even directed by a woman. People didnt have kid kid gloves on the movie because it starred a woman. People liked it for the same reason that people tend to like the Richard Donner Superman film. Both films have their problems regarding the 3rd act that people criticize but as a whole, they’re still considered good films.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 1:40:51 GMT
Like I said, everyone had kid gloves on it and were nice to it. Make the film "Dinos, Prince of Themyscira" with almost the same script about the Prince going on adventures with his female spy friend to stop Ares, and the film would have been regarded as average at best and gotten Ant-Man numbers. You’re using that argument again, even though it wouldn’t explain why movies like Ghost in the Shell and Rough Night weren’t well received and did poorly at the box office. Rough Night was even directed by a woman. People didnt have kid kid gloves on the movie because it starred a woman. People liked it for the same reason that people tend to like the Richard Donner Superman film. Both films have their problems regarding the 3rd act that people criticize but as a whole, they’re still considered good films. Yes, I'm using that argument, because its the truth. Those other films were complete garbage. Like I said, Wonder Woman was halfway decent and a female led superhero film was in high-demand. It benefited from artificial boosters. Yes, they did have kid gloves on. Donner's Superman had nowhere near the problems Wonder Woman did.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 1:41:35 GMT
Like I said, everyone had kid gloves on it and were nice to it. Make the film "Dinos, Prince of Themyscira" with almost the same script about the Prince going on adventures with his female spy friend to stop Ares, and the film would have been regarded as average at best and gotten Ant-Man numbers. You’re using that argument again, even though it wouldn’t explain why movies like Ghost in the Shell and Rough Night weren’t well received and did poorly at the box office. Rough Night was even directed by a woman. People didnt have kid kid gloves on the movie because it starred a woman. People liked it for the same reason that people tend to like the Richard Donner Superman film. Both films have their problems regarding the 3rd act that people criticize but as a whole, they’re still considered good films. Yes, I'm using that argument, because its the truth. Those other films were complete garbage. Like I said, Wonder Woman was halfway decent and a female led superhero film was in high-demand. It benefited from artificial boosters. Yes, they did have kid gloves on. Donner's Superman had nowhere near the problems Wonder Woman did.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 7, 2017 1:43:16 GMT
You’re using that argument again, even though it wouldn’t explain why movies like Ghost in the Shell and Rough Night weren’t well received and did poorly at the box office. Rough Night was even directed by a woman. People didnt have kid kid gloves on the movie because it starred a woman. People liked it for the same reason that people tend to like the Richard Donner Superman film. Both films have their problems regarding the 3rd act that people criticize but as a whole, they’re still considered good films. Yes, I'm using that argument, because its the truth. Those other films were complete garbage. Like I said, Wonder Woman was halfway decent and a female led superhero film was in high-demand. It benefited from artificial boosters. Yes, they did have kid gloves on. Donner's Superman had nowhere near the problems Wonder Woman did. So the whole spinning the world around to save his girlfriend’s life bit isn’t something that is heavily criticized as a major problem with the film?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 1:49:10 GMT
Yes, I'm using that argument, because its the truth. Those other films were complete garbage. Like I said, Wonder Woman was halfway decent and a female led superhero film was in high-demand. It benefited from artificial boosters. Yes, they did have kid gloves on. Donner's Superman had nowhere near the problems Wonder Woman did. So the whole spinning the world around to save his girlfriend’s life bit isn’t something that is heavily criticized as a major problem with the film? That's better than David Thewlis being revealed as Ares.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Oct 7, 2017 1:53:16 GMT
So the whole spinning the world around to save his girlfriend’s life bit isn’t something that is heavily criticized as a major problem with the film? That's better than David Thewlis being revealed as Ares. I haven’t seen people taking as big an issue with the actor they got to play Ares as they did when Superman pulled a deus ex machina to conveniently fix all his problems.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 1:54:36 GMT
That's better than David Thewlis being revealed as Ares. I haven’t seen people taking as big an issue with the actor they got to play Ares as they did when Superman pulled a deus ex machina to conveniently fix all his problems. Then either the people you talk to are stupid or you're lying.
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