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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 14, 2017 22:34:43 GMT
Enjoy. Disclaimer: The usual. My thoughts: Can you imagine the uproar if this movie were made today? Women playing secondary to men and not taking part in the action. No blacks (and the only Chinese were a few miners protesting Virgil Earp's no-guns-in-town ruling). No homosexuals, bisexuals, or transgender. Absolutely shocking!
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Oct 14, 2017 23:42:53 GMT
Enjoy. Disclaimer: The usual. My thoughts: Can you imagine the uproar if this movie were made today? Women playing secondary to men and not taking part in the action. No blacks (and the only Chinese were a few miners protesting Virgil Earp's no-guns-in-town ruling). No homosexuals, bisexuals, or transgender. Absolutely shocking! Yeah, there was no homosexual sub-plot in Tombstone.
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Post by progressiveelement on Oct 14, 2017 23:49:42 GMT
Next big shockers:
Spielberg may be the real director of Poltergeist.
And there are no gay midget French prostitutes in Short Circuit, the horror!
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 14, 2017 23:49:45 GMT
Enjoy. Disclaimer: The usual. My thoughts: Can you imagine the uproar if this movie were made today? Women playing secondary to men and not taking part in the action. No blacks (and the only Chinese were a few miners protesting Virgil Earp's no-guns-in-town ruling). No homosexuals, bisexuals, or transgender. Absolutely shocking! Yeah, there was no homosexual sub-plot in Tombstone. That's right, there wasn't. And I don't need to go heeled to get the bulge on a tub like you.
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Post by progressiveelement on Oct 15, 2017 0:04:02 GMT
George P Cosmatos?
Wait a minute...
I have two Stallone films by him. Rambo: First Blood Part II, and Cobra. And Rambo 2 was alleged to have been directed by Stallone, and Cobra has Stallone Rocky 3 and 4 characteristics about it.
I also have Leviathan, one of a number of underwater based films from 1989/1990. Most of them bombed at the box office, even the Oscar-winning The Abyss. The one film of this type to be a commercial success at the time was The Hunt for Red October, I guess a defecting Soviet sub captain with a Scottish accent won audiences over more instead of ripping off other SciFi movies and trying to hide it by setting it underwater. Well, you can't fool us Hollywood!!! Even Roger Corman tried to cash in with the godawful Lords of the Deep, what a pile of shit that was, it was so obvious the alien manta rays were friendly with their stupid gormless faces. When Red October proved a winner, Corman produced a forgotten cash-in on that called Full Fathom Five, based on a book by a Clancy wannabe who thought Corman's movie was utter shit.
😐
Leviathan is enjoyable though, if you can get past obvious "nods" to Alien and The Thing.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 15, 2017 0:13:39 GMT
George P Cosmatos? Wait a minute... I have two Stallone films by him. Rambo: First Blood Part II, and Cobra. And Rambo 2 was alleged to have been directed by Stallone, and Cobra has Stallone Rocky 3 and 4 characteristics about it. I also have Leviathan, one of a number of underwater based films from 1989/1990. Most of them bombed at the box office, even the Oscar-winning The Abyss. The one film of this type to be a commercial success at the time was The Hunt for Red October, I guess a defecting Soviet sub captain with a Scottish accent won audiences over more instead of ripping off other SciFi movies and trying to hide it by setting it underwater. Well, you can't fool us Hollywood!!! Even Roger Corman tried to cash in with the godawful Lords of the Deep, what a pile of shit that was, it was so obvious the alien manta rays were friendly with their stupid gormless faces. When Red October proved a winner, Corman produced a forgotten cash-in on that called Full Fathom Five, based on a book by a Clancy wannabe who thought Corman's movie was utter shit. 😐 Leviathan is enjoyable though, if you can get past obvious "nods" to Alien and The Thing. Sometimes a director needs a little help. Sergio Leone wanted to make a movie as much as possible like a Hollywood Western, so he kept asking Clint Eastwood questions, little knowing that Eastwood was familiar with the plot of "Yojimbo" and he wanted to make an anti-Western. I heard that after "Fistful of Dollars" was released Eastwood got an angry phone call from John Wayne, but that was a small price to pay for the creation of a classic piece of cinema, yes?
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Post by progressiveelement on Oct 15, 2017 2:22:27 GMT
George P Cosmatos? Wait a minute... I have two Stallone films by him. Rambo: First Blood Part II, and Cobra. And Rambo 2 was alleged to have been directed by Stallone, and Cobra has Stallone Rocky 3 and 4 characteristics about it. I also have Leviathan, one of a number of underwater based films from 1989/1990. Most of them bombed at the box office, even the Oscar-winning The Abyss. The one film of this type to be a commercial success at the time was The Hunt for Red October, I guess a defecting Soviet sub captain with a Scottish accent won audiences over more instead of ripping off other SciFi movies and trying to hide it by setting it underwater. Well, you can't fool us Hollywood!!! Even Roger Corman tried to cash in with the godawful Lords of the Deep, what a pile of shit that was, it was so obvious the alien manta rays were friendly with their stupid gormless faces. When Red October proved a winner, Corman produced a forgotten cash-in on that called Full Fathom Five, based on a book by a Clancy wannabe who thought Corman's movie was utter shit. 😐 Leviathan is enjoyable though, if you can get past obvious "nods" to Alien and The Thing. Sometimes a director needs a little help. Sergio Leone wanted to make a movie as much as possible like a Hollywood Western, so he kept asking Clint Eastwood questions, little knowing that Eastwood was familiar with the plot of "Yojimbo" and he wanted to make an anti-Western. I heard that after "Fistful of Dollars" was released Eastwood got an angry phone call from John Wayne, but that was a small price to pay for the creation of a classic piece of cinema, yes? Clint is way cooler than John Wayne. Clint doesn't blink when firing weapons, and neither did Yul Brynner. Clint actually served as a National Guardsman, and once swam from a crashed plane he was on. John Wayne tried to boost morale during Vietnam with The Green Berets, which was hated so much by a grunt by the name of Oliver Stone, he would make a movie more honest called Platoon. And then his coke habit and hatred of The Man would inspire certain other movies. Clint, admittedly, is a bit of a prick in real life. His treatment of Sondra Locke was abominable. But hey, Clint never tried to pass himself off as an Oriental, unlike Wayne as Genghis Khan in The Conqueror, the film responsible for Wayne's cancer, and the cancers in other actors and crew. Wayne didn't like High Noon either, so screw him.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Oct 15, 2017 2:36:18 GMT
You think the Billy Zane character was straight?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 15, 2017 2:45:52 GMT
You think the Billy Zane character was straight? I was given no reason to think otherwise. He impressed me as someone from a earlier and more chivalrous time, born too late. Being artistic doesn't necessarily make someone a fruit.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Oct 15, 2017 3:19:20 GMT
You think the Billy Zane character was straight? I was given no reason to think otherwise. I guess you missed the loving look he got from the fey deputy (during his performance, IIRC), and the guy grieving over his death, holding his hand. His homosexuality is hinted at as strongly as you can without going full Brokeback.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 15, 2017 3:27:30 GMT
I was given no reason to think otherwise. I guess you missed the loving look he got from the fey deputy (during his performance, IIRC), and the guy grieving over his death, holding his hand. His homosexuality is hinted at as strongly as you can without going full Brokeback. Being dead and all, he was in no position to deny it, was he?
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Post by gadreel on Oct 16, 2017 2:21:54 GMT
I was given no reason to think otherwise. I guess you missed the loving look he got from the fey deputy (during his performance, IIRC), and the guy grieving over his death, holding his hand. His homosexuality is hinted at as strongly as you can without going full Brokeback. Interesting I may have to watch it again. But it was the deputy who was historically gay, I wonder if the Billy Zane thing was put in there so they could out the deputy.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 16, 2017 3:37:28 GMT
Being dead and all, he was in no position to deny it, was he? Yes, all posters on this database know you deny your homosexual desires, because you are a closet latent case. I can't believe you can't see how transparent you are. Denying an innate aspect of yourself, because you think you won't get to heaven otherwise, is psychotic at the very least.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 16, 2017 3:43:32 GMT
If it's like real life plenty of the characters are gay and bisexual and you never know it. That's because some have the decency not to put their alternative lifestyles in the faces of others. I miss the time when such was the rule instead of the exception.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Oct 16, 2017 4:27:37 GMT
I guess you missed the loving look he got from the fey deputy (during his performance, IIRC), and the guy grieving over his death, holding his hand. His homosexuality is hinted at as strongly as you can without going full Brokeback. Interesting I may have to watch it again. But it was the deputy who was historically gay, I wonder if the Billy Zane thing was put in there so they could out the deputy. One of the baddies also calls the deputy a girlie-man (or something like that) and says Zane is the prettiest man he's ever seen. I'd heard that about the deputy long after, so that's a good guess as to why the Zane character is in the film at all.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 16, 2017 4:38:31 GMT
That's because some have the decency not to put their alternative lifestyles in the faces of others. I miss the time when such was the rule instead of the exception. When you breeders start hiding your lifestyle we'll start hiding ours. Like that's ever gonna happen with hets. Gameboy, we're all adults here, and I feel somewhat embarrassed to point out something that we all as adults should know. Breeders are necessary for the continuance of the species. Homosexuals are not. You may not like breeders, but none of us would be here without them. I'd like to think that St. Frankenstein would agree with me on this if he were here. Gee whiz. All I did was take a so-called homophobic swipe at the Hollywood movie industry, and it turns into a big debate about an alleged homosexual subplot that anyone can see if that person desires to see it. The same could probably be done with any film. Even a film like "Predator." I should have seen it coming.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Oct 16, 2017 5:53:12 GMT
When you breeders start hiding your lifestyle we'll start hiding ours. Like that's ever gonna happen with hets. ...an alleged homosexual subplot that anyone can see if that person desires to see it. More like a homosexual subplot that one can only miss if they're not paying attention. Really, Zane's presence in the film makes no sense unless they're using him to show that the deputy was gay, which is a historical rumor the filmmakers wanted to play up.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 16, 2017 6:11:41 GMT
...an alleged homosexual subplot that anyone can see if that person desires to see it. More like a homosexual subplot that one can only miss if they're not paying attention. Really, Zane's presence in the film makes no sense unless they're using him to show that the deputy was gay, which is a historical rumor the filmmakers wanted to play up. Okay, Eva, you just effectively admitted that gay messages are being deliberately inserted into movies, but that can be a discussion for another day. I was trying to remember who played the deputy. All I remembered was that he was a regular on Beverly Hills 90210. Could have looked it up, but that would have been cheating. The link you provided dropped his name. Jason Priestly. Thanks. Now I can stop wracking my brain. And until you brought it up, I did not know that was Billy Zane. Saw him in "Memphis Belle" and "Titanic" and maybe a few others, but I digress. When Cash mentioned a gay subplot, I honestly thought he was referring to the friendship between Wyatt and Doc. I had completely forgotten about the stage actor and the deputy. You know, like that manly-man handshake between Dutch and Dillon in "Predator." Or the friendship between the captain and the ship's surgeon in "Master and Commander." That was like so totally gay, right?
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Oct 16, 2017 6:35:13 GMT
More like a homosexual subplot that one can only miss if they're not paying attention. Really, Zane's presence in the film makes no sense unless they're using him to show that the deputy was gay, which is a historical rumor the filmmakers wanted to play up. Okay, Eva, you just effectively admitted that gay messages are being deliberately inserted into movies, but that can be a discussion for another day. I was trying to remember who played the deputy. All I remembered was that he was a regular on Beverly Hills 90210. Could have looked it up, but that would have been cheating. The link you provided dropped his name. Jason Priestly. Thanks. Now I can stop wracking my brain. And until you brought it up, I did not know that was Billy Zane. Saw him in "Memphis Belle" and "Titanic" and maybe a few others, but I digress. When Cash mentioned a gay subplot, I honestly thought he was referring to the friendship between Wyatt and Doc. I had completely forgotten about the stage actor and the deputy. You know, like that manly-man handshake between Dutch and Dillon in "Predator." Or the friendship between the captain and the ship's surgeon in "Master and Commander." That was like so totally gay, right? I don't think they inserted a "gay message;" just a subplot involving gays. The filmmakers probably came across the same rumor and thought it interesting enough to include--kinda like how Kenneth Branagh read What Happens in Hamlet and made the first adaptation that included all its theories. I always liked Billy Zane as a really versatile character actor. He was great as the evil-but-charming devil in the Demon Knight. He seemed to crop up in a lot of films I loved during my childhood and adolescence. Of course, Titanic was memorable to my 10-year-old self for other reasons... well, two perky ones in particular. Probably the only reason I remembered it is because I probably saw Tombstone a dozen times as a kid. It really got me interested in the Old West for a time.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Oct 16, 2017 6:48:27 GMT
Okay, Eva, you just effectively admitted that gay messages are being deliberately inserted into movies, but that can be a discussion for another day. I was trying to remember who played the deputy. All I remembered was that he was a regular on Beverly Hills 90210. Could have looked it up, but that would have been cheating. The link you provided dropped his name. Jason Priestly. Thanks. Now I can stop wracking my brain. And until you brought it up, I did not know that was Billy Zane. Saw him in "Memphis Belle" and "Titanic" and maybe a few others, but I digress. When Cash mentioned a gay subplot, I honestly thought he was referring to the friendship between Wyatt and Doc. I had completely forgotten about the stage actor and the deputy. You know, like that manly-man handshake between Dutch and Dillon in "Predator." Or the friendship between the captain and the ship's surgeon in "Master and Commander." That was like so totally gay, right? I don't think they inserted a "gay message;" just a subplot involving gays. The filmmakers probably came across the same rumor and thought it interesting enough to include--kinda like how Kenneth Branagh read What Happens in Hamlet and made the first adaptation that included all its theories. I always liked Billy Zane as a really versatile character actor. He was great as the evil-but-charming devil in the Demon Knight. He seemed to crop up in a lot of films I loved during my childhood and adolescence. Of course, Titanic was memorable to my 10-year-old self for other reasons... well, two perky ones in particular. Probably the only reason I remembered it is because I probably saw Tombstone a dozen times as a kid. It really got me interested in the Old West for a time. If you don't mind my asking, what do you think the motivation for that would have been? Was it to have a movie with something for everybody, because gay people buy movie tickets too? BTW, I used to watch Xena: Warrior Princess until they went backward and forward in time so much that I lost track, but I understand that lesbians liked the show, and the producers kept the Xena-Gabrielle relationship ambiguous. They even had a joke at the end of one episode about it, so I know that such things are done in the entertainment business. In that particular case I had no problem with it.
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