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Post by blockbusted on Oct 15, 2017 23:33:56 GMT
"No it isn’t. The X-Men franchise dleiberately uses a very loose continuity that allows the individual directors the creative freedom to make movies that wouldn’t work in a tightly controlled continuity, such as Logan which takes place in a future setting where most of the X-Men have died. Disney, on the other hand, could never make a movie like Logan. Disney handcuffs their directors in their attempts to have a tighter continuity but their timeline STILL gets messed up."
screenrant.com/marvel-mcu-timeline-problem-fixed-plot-holes-solved/
What do you think of this?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 23:41:14 GMT
Total bullshit, considering they constrain their directors all the time.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 16, 2017 0:51:20 GMT
Oh Alex Leadbeater, you never fail to disappoint. He's just trolling, like the mofo always does.
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 16, 2017 1:41:31 GMT
"No it isn’t. The X-Men franchise dleiberately uses a very loose continuity that allows the individual directors the creative freedom to make movies that wouldn’t work in a tightly controlled continuity, such as Logan which takes place in a future setting where most of the X-Men have died. Disney, on the other hand, could never make a movie like Logan. Disney handcuffs their directors in their attempts to have a tighter continuity but their timeline STILL gets messed up."
screenrant.com/marvel-mcu-timeline-problem-fixed-plot-holes-solved/
What do you think of this? It's 100% accurate.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 16, 2017 4:15:05 GMT
Sounds to me like this person likes bad continuity over good continiuity because Fox gives their directors "creative freedom." Yeah, go tell that to Josh Trank and Tim Miller.
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 16, 2017 4:18:38 GMT
Sounds to me like this person likes bad continuity over good continiuity because Fox gives their directors "creative freedom." Yeah, go tell that to Josh Trank and Tim Miller. To be fair, Miller was having issues with Ryan Reynolds and Josh Trank was an utter piece of sh!t, so...
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 16, 2017 4:21:53 GMT
Sounds to me like this person likes bad continuity over good continiuity because Fox gives their directors "creative freedom." Yeah, go tell that to Josh Trank and Tim Miller. To be fair, Miller was having issues with Ryan Reynolds and Josh Trank was an utter piece of sh!t, so... I wish Miller and Reynolds made amense, those 2 really worked well together. The creative differences still stand. As for Josh Trank, he made Chronicle, it's obvious he can't handle a big blockbuster like Fantastic Four. What was Kathleen Kennedy thinking when she first hired him to direct the Boba Fett Movie in the first place?
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Post by DC-Fan on Oct 16, 2017 4:33:00 GMT
Sounds to me like this person likes bad continuity over good continiuity because Fox gives their directors "creative freedom." Yeah, go tell that to Josh Trank and Tim Miller. No, what the writer of that comment is saying is that MCU Dictator Kevin Feige thinks that giving directors creative freedom would result in continuity errors so Feige runs MCU like a Dictator and doesn't give their directors any creative freedom at all, but in the end Feige's dictatorship style still failed to prevent continuity errors as MCU's timeline is seriously broken and MCU now has to create a new timeline that retconns most of the past movies.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 16, 2017 6:25:38 GMT
Sounds to me like this person likes bad continuity over good continiuity because Fox gives their directors "creative freedom." Yeah, go tell that to Josh Trank and Tim Miller. No, what the writer of that comment is saying is that MCU Dictator Kevin Feige thinks that giving directors creative freedom would result in continuity errors so Feige runs MCU like a Dictator and doesn't give their directors any creative freedom at all, but in the end Feige's dictatorship style still failed to prevent continuity errors as MCU's timeline is seriously broken and MCU now has to create a new timeline that retconns most of the past movies. Then you clearly don't know what a film producer does. They keep the production in check which also means continiuity. Directors like James Gunn and Taika Waititi are the directors and are in charged creativitely, Feige is in charged financially and logically. The directors can add their own style to their films, but it has to fit in within the MCU.
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Post by blockbusted on Oct 16, 2017 7:15:21 GMT
No, what the writer of that comment is saying is that MCU Dictator Kevin Feige thinks that giving directors creative freedom would result in continuity errors so Feige runs MCU like a Dictator and doesn't give their directors any creative freedom at all, but in the end Feige's dictatorship style still failed to prevent continuity errors as MCU's timeline is seriously broken and MCU now has to create a new timeline that retconns most of the past movies. Then you clearly don't know what a film producer does. They keep the production in check which also means continiuity. Directors like James Gunn and Taika Waititi are the directors and are in charged creativitely, Feige is in charged financially and logically. The directors can add their own style to their films, but it has to fit in within the MCU. I’ve been thinking this, but... could ‘Ant-Man’ have been set 4 or 5 years after the event of ‘Avengers: Age of Ultron’? I mean, the opening simply says “Present Day”, so...
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Oct 16, 2017 7:17:34 GMT
Then you clearly don't know what a film producer does. They keep the production in check which also means continiuity. Directors like James Gunn and Taika Waititi are the directors and are in charged creativitely, Feige is in charged financially and logically. The directors can add their own style to their films, but it has to fit in within the MCU. I’ve been thinking this, but... could ‘Ant-Man’ have been set 4 years after the event of ‘Avengers: Age of Ultron’? I mean, the opening simply says “Present Day”, so... I think Ant-Man takes places months after the events of Age of Ultron.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 16, 2017 9:49:17 GMT
This isn't new an argument but was discussed in all arts for centuries, and a general consensus amongst the more sophisticated cinephiles and art lovers.
I take one Mozart over a dozen Salieris. I take one masterpiece over a dozen mediocrities. I take artistic expression over stale paint-by-numbers efforts.
The Logan and MCU is just the B-Movie example of that. Losing the pseudo-dogmatic straight jacket and allowing for artistic expression allowed the filmmakers in this case to create a out of the box masterwork instead of another mediocrity. I do not care if Logan is a parallel elseworld universe, or in-universe, canon or non-canon, in continuity or not - these are artificial not artistic qualifications.
I am just glad a stand alone film of that quality was being made. And as for continuity, that elements is showing several severe cracks in MCU and most other universes anyway, cracks have a tendency to become worse untill breaking.
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Post by Terrapin Station on Oct 16, 2017 9:53:05 GMT
Just make a good film. I don't care what the continuity relationship of it is to other films. Any relationship can work.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 16, 2017 10:48:09 GMT
Sounds to me like this person likes bad continuity over good continiuity because Fox gives their directors "creative freedom." Yeah, go tell that to Josh Trank and Tim Miller. No, what the writer of that comment is saying is that Kevin Feige Won't let some Loon Directors twist the Marvel characters and the MCU into something unrecognizable from the source material.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Oct 16, 2017 11:05:55 GMT
Common sense really. If you saw artistic vision you will reap both great and abysmal products.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 16, 2017 11:07:14 GMT
It's basically saying "Control Freak Directors are PO'ed they aren't allowed to twist the MCU's Characters and Universe into something unrecognizable".
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Post by Jedan Archer on Oct 16, 2017 11:17:25 GMT
It's basically saying "Control Freak Directors are PO'ed they aren't allowed to twist the MCU's Characters and Universe into something unrecognizable". No that is a straw man.
Ancient story: artistic progress and interpretation keep old arts alive. Applies to entertainment too, Batman & Joker are relevant for decades bc they changed dramatically. Iron Man & Co will sink to C-grade popularity again when the actors leave, unless the MCU reinvents itselves.
But guys like you will see to it that the MCU dies with them. Really, every franchise gets the fans it deserves.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 16, 2017 11:33:25 GMT
Ancient story: artistic progress and interpretation keep old arts alive. Applies to entertainment too, Batman and Joker are relevant for decades bc they changed dramatically. No, as archetypes they've remained relatively unchanged. Attempts to make them radically different have been met with resistance. Tell that to Star Wars, Star Trek, etc. They haven't changed much.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Oct 16, 2017 11:40:16 GMT
Yes, they have, dramatically so.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 16, 2017 12:12:04 GMT
It's basically saying "Control Freak Directors are PO'ed they aren't allowed to twist the MCU's Characters and Universe into something unrecognizable". No that is a straw man.
Ancient story: artistic progress and interpretation keep old arts alive. Applies to entertainment too, Batman & Joker are relevant for decades bc they changed dramatically. Iron Man & Co will sink to C-grade popularity again when the actors leave, unless the MCU reinvents itselves.
But guys like you will see to it that the MCU dies with them. Really, every franchise gets the fans it deserves.
Solid point, but those DC characters have existed in film for decades. With any luck we'll see reinventions of Marvel characters similar to what we've seen with Batman and Joker.
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