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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 3:44:39 GMT
Iron Man vs Iron Monger - two guys in Iron Man suits Hulk vs Abomination - two big green monsters Thor vs Loki - two demi-gods Captain America vs Red Skull - two people infected by super soldier serum Ant-Man vs Yellowjacket - two guys in suits that can shrink Black Panther vs Gold Jaguar - two guys in cat suits Marvel continues to give us the same villains, and Marvel fans say their villains are awesome.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 17, 2017 3:54:07 GMT
Superman vs Zod - two superpowered aliens Batman vs. Bane - two dropouts from ninja school Diana vs. Ares - two gods
And my favorite
Flash vs. Reverse Flash - could you be any more on the nose?
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Post by dazz on Oct 17, 2017 4:31:00 GMT
Iron Man vs Iron Monger - two guys in Iron Man suits Hulk vs Abomination - two big green monsters Thor vs Loki - two demi-gods
Captain America vs Red Skull - two people infected by super soldier serum Ant-Man vs Yellowjacket - two guys in suits that can shrink Black Panther vs Gold Jaguar - two guys in cat suits Marvel continues to give us the same villains, and Marveltards say their villains are awesome. Actually one's n Asguardian the other's a midget frost giant, and Yellow Jacket has lasers but cant go giant but Antman can and has no weapons.
Otherwise no shit it's pretty much superhero 101 the heroes generally have nemesis that are carbon copies of them power wise, generally the villains posses obvious offensive advantages which the heroes overcome to show their the heroes.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 17, 2017 5:09:53 GMT
That didn't take long at all. Pleb. Hee hee hee...
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 10:17:54 GMT
Iron Man vs Iron Monger - two guys in Iron Man suits Hulk vs Abomination - two big green monsters Thor vs Loki - two demi-gods Captain America vs Red Skull - two people infected by super soldier serum Ant-Man vs Yellowjacket - two guys in suits that can shrink Black Panther vs Gold Jaguar - two guys in cat suits Marvel continues to give us the same villains, and Marvel fans say their villains are awesome. But it's okay when Superman fights other Kryptonians, WW fights Gods, Flash fights Speedsters...
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Post by scabab on Oct 17, 2017 18:36:56 GMT
The thread was about Marvel villains and he does have a point. Don't be so quick to bring up DC comparisons for the sake of it. They suffer the same problem.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 17, 2017 18:40:53 GMT
The thread was about Marvel villains and he does have a point. Don't be so quick to bring up DC comparisons for the sake of it. They suffer the same problem. I think we were quick only to point out that it's not a "marvel" issue since nearly all superhero shows suffer from it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 17, 2017 19:07:06 GMT
The thread was about Marvel villains and he does have a point. Don't be so quick to bring up DC comparisons for the sake of it. They suffer the same problem. I think we were quick only to point out that it's not a "marvel" issue since nearly all superhero shows suffer from it. Do they? I feel like all superhero stories might have a (version of) "categorically similar" antagonist in their rogue's gallery, that's usually just one villain in the rotation. I know OP's point is about the MCU's recurring decision to emphasize these Types of Dudes, but I don't think it's a hard and fast rule that they have to. Daredevil doesn't really have an "opposite," innit? Unless, maybe -- Bullseye, because he's also a thug but he's IMMORAL? Or... perhaps I don't understand the point of this thread...
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 20:01:48 GMT
I think we were quick only to point out that it's not a "marvel" issue since nearly all superhero shows suffer from it. Do they? I feel like all superhero stories might have a (version of) "categorically similar" antagonist in their rogue's gallery, that's usually just one villain in the rotation. I know OP's point is about the MCU's recurring decision to emphasize these Types of Dudes, but I don't think it's a hard and fast rule that they have to. Daredevil doesn't really have an "opposite," innit? Unless, maybe -- Bullseye, because he's also a thug but he's IMMORAL? Or... perhaps I don't understand the point of this thread... Bullseye is more an evil version of Hawkeye than anyone else.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 17, 2017 20:14:29 GMT
Do they? I feel like all superhero stories might have a (version of) "categorically similar" antagonist in their rogue's gallery, that's usually just one villain in the rotation. I know OP's point is about the MCU's recurring decision to emphasize these Types of Dudes, but I don't think it's a hard and fast rule that they have to. Daredevil doesn't really have an "opposite," innit? Unless, maybe -- Bullseye, because he's also a thug but he's IMMORAL? Or... perhaps I don't understand the point of this thread... Bullseye is more an evil version of Hawkeye than anyone else. Yeah, there's not really an "anti-Daredevil," is there? I guess that would just be... a basic, street-level criminal?
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 20:18:11 GMT
Bullseye is more an evil version of Hawkeye than anyone else. Yeah, there's not really an "anti-Daredevil," is there? I guess that would just be... a basic, street-level criminal? I dunno, are there any villains with echolocation powers?
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Post by dazz on Oct 17, 2017 21:15:11 GMT
I think we were quick only to point out that it's not a "marvel" issue since nearly all superhero shows suffer from it. Do they? I feel like all superhero stories might have a (version of) "categorically similar" antagonist in their rogue's gallery, that's usually just one villain in the rotation. I know OP's point is about the MCU's recurring decision to emphasize these Types of Dudes, but I don't think it's a hard and fast rule that they have to. Daredevil doesn't really have an "opposite," innit? Unless, maybe -- Bullseye, because he's also a thug but he's IMMORAL? Or... perhaps I don't understand the point of this thread... I think the thing is using mirror foes is the easiest thing to sell to an audience, especially first time out, which makes sense, if the audience will buy the hero and their powers they will buy the villains which are similar, it also establishes a feasible way for the hero to win out, in contrast films that don't do this do tend to fail, Green Lantern is a man given power by a high tech weapon in the form of a ring, the villain is a giant space cloud, Hulk is a mutated human who grows in size & power the angrier he gets, his villain first time out is a giant power absorbing cloud, the Suicide Squad is a team comprised of a hitman with perfect aim, a super hot nutter with a bat, a guy with a terrible skin condition and eating habits, some dude with a boomerang fetish, GI joe blow, a kick arse chick with a soul sword and a guy with pyrokenetic powers, oh and a small team of grunts, their foe was a pair of magical godlike beings who can transform people with a touch.
Less fantastical the hero the less their foes need to mirror them for the films to sell the premise or the plausibility that they can win.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 21:44:39 GMT
The thread was about Marvel villains and he does have a point. Don't be so quick to bring up DC comparisons for the sake of it. They suffer the same problem. It's not an issue. It's called "having an archnemesis". The Archnemesis has classically had many of the same qualities of the hero, but twisted into evil. Luke and Vader; Aladdin and Jafar; and the list goes on and on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 21:52:46 GMT
The thread was about Marvel villains and he does have a point. Don't be so quick to bring up DC comparisons for the sake of it. They suffer the same problem. It's not an issue. It's called "having an archnemesis". The Archnemesis has classically had many of the same qualities of the hero, but twisted into evil. Luke and Vader; Aladdin and Jafar; and the list goes on and on. Luke and Darth Vader are not carbon copies of each other, neither is Aladdin and Jafar. The Joker is Batman's archnemesis, why isn't he a carbon copy of Batman? Admit it, Marvel gives us the same villain everytime.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 17, 2017 22:15:02 GMT
It's not an issue. It's called "having an archnemesis". The Archnemesis has classically had many of the same qualities of the hero, but twisted into evil. Luke and Vader; Aladdin and Jafar; and the list goes on and on. Luke and Darth Vader are not carbon copies of each other, neither is Aladdin and Jafar. The Joker is Batman's archnemesis, why isn't he a carbon copy of Batman? Admit it, Marvel gives us the same villain everytime. Using that same logic: Loki isn't a carbon copy of Thor. Neither is the Mandarin a copy of Ironman or Dormammu of Dr. Strange. Ronan is not similar to any of the GOTG... I could keep on going.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 17, 2017 22:40:17 GMT
It's not an issue. It's called "having an archnemesis". The Archnemesis has classically had many of the same qualities of the hero, but twisted into evil. Luke and Vader; Aladdin and Jafar; and the list goes on and on. Luke and Darth Vader are not carbon copies of each other, neither is Aladdin and Jafar. The Joker is Batman's archnemesis, why isn't he a carbon copy of Batman? Admit it, Marvel gives us the same villain everytime. Luke and Vader are both force users, Aladdin and Jafar aren't archenemies really (they have ONE story where they battle) and Joker is the chaotic counter to Batman's extreme orderliness. Marvel just bothers remembering that the hero is the star of the show and the villains are there to facilitate the hero's story and not vice-versa. So sometimes the villain having the same abilities works.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Oct 17, 2017 22:47:49 GMT
Black Panther vs Gold Jaguar - two guys in cat suits Marvel continues to give us the same villains, and Marvel fans say their villains are awesome. In order to make a claim to the Wakandan thrown one must also lay claim to the title, Black Panther. There can only be one! Hee hee hee...
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 17, 2017 23:20:01 GMT
Yeah, there's not really an "anti-Daredevil," is there? I guess that would just be... a basic, street-level criminal? I dunno, are there any villains with echolocation powers? Maybe him?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 23:48:31 GMT
Wrong as usual.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 17, 2017 23:49:57 GMT
Well, I did say "maybe"!
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