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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 16:32:12 GMT
Looking at the Box Office numbers of Force Awakens and Rogue One, i would say, Disney will continue and making more Star Wars films.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 16:34:30 GMT
It's not. A) He did so with the expectation that they would use his preexisting concepts, notes, etc.; they duped him, of course, and truly I can't tell you what the guy was smoking even letting whatever silver-tongued, smooth talking scumbags Disney sent out to Lucas Ranch to basically swindle him within a thousand feet of his property let alone selling them the most successful film franchise of all time. I'll never understand, much less defend, that. B) "This kind of argument" doesn't "suppose" anything of the kind; your argument is disingenuous and in bad faith. You know full well that, irrespective of the degree to which Lucas was involved in writing the scripts, he had final say on everything up until The Force Awakens (well, Rebels, but whatever), whereby Kasdan immediately ruined the entire sequel trilogy and probably every movie thereafter for the exact opposite of the reason you stated -- because he was finally free from underneath Lucas's veto pen and could write a dogwhistle script designed in part to spite and troll him. Which he, in collaboration with Ford, did to great acclaim from people the world over eager to lap it up. That's where you come in. "This will begin to make things right," indeed. I'm not trying to ruin your enjoyment of your little fast food, McDisney Wars movies. But they're quite literally fan fiction and inherently apart from the Lucas-helmed stuff. How is it "tossing a pipe bomb" or making a "specious" argument to point out the distinction? It's a matter of fact. A) then he's a naive fool. B) Yes Kasdan is a hack at this point trying to recreate the OT trilogy but just in essence bastardizing the original by doing so (so far) C) I don't know where you're getting this 'I love Force Awakens and Rogue One argument. I found them decidedly meh and too beholden to the OT. A) Yep. As Trump would say/Tweet: "Sad!" B) Exactly. He needs to be taken for a "drive into the woods." C) Oh. Well. My bad, dude. In that case, good show!
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Post by drystyx on Mar 4, 2017 17:07:40 GMT
I notice the "haters" of the new set of Star Wars are unbelievable control freaks who hate "theater guideline scripts set to screen".
I mean, really, if anything should be banned, it should be something hateful, demonic, and depressing, and the pathetic movies that fit this category are the very ones the control freaks of IMDB and v2.0 praise the most.
Yet they want to wipe out the few imaginative, inspired bits that still come out. There can't be any natural explanation for this.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 17:28:51 GMT
Yet they want to wipe out the few imaginative, inspired bits that still come out. There can't be any natural explanation for this. Yes, this is really imaginative and inspired: we're all going to Hell for not falling to pieces at the brilliance and INSPIRATION drawn from this: As the late, great comedian Bill Hicks once said to a heckling troll back in his time: "You're wrong; get over it."
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Post by steven18 on Mar 4, 2017 17:53:30 GMT
No, The Force Awakens is excellent. Once they called George Lucas greedy and stupid for the prequels, which were new and different from the original films, now they're complaining about TFA being too much like the old films, when clearly Disney was aware of the backlash so the fanboys got what they wanted? What do they really want? They'll probably complain about anything because they've forgotten what Star Wars was about in the first place. The film works, and doesn't feel forced or like it was made my a board of executives to be as politically correct as possible, and even if it were, no film sucks just because of that. I like all the Star Wars films, and TFA is just a new style of Star Wars. It's better than other modern fantasy films that try so hard to be as dark or deep as possible in the worst possible sense and just fail. You know, the ones photographed in dark blue/grey, where everyone acts like the film they're in is so damn serious.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 18:01:49 GMT
No, The Force Awakens is excellent... and doesn't feel forced or like it was made my a board of executives to be as politically correct as possible, and even if it were, no film sucks just because of that... TFA is just a new style of Star Wars.
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Post by steven18 on Mar 4, 2017 18:33:51 GMT
coldenhaulfield
Even if a film is controlled by corporate executives, creativity still can thrive in that, if you're willing to look between. Basically, people are now complaining about Star Wars because they believe it includes a black character and female protagonist for the sake of equality and copies the formula of A New Hope, whereas they complained about racial stereotypes in The Phantom Menace. They said that The Phantom Menace was "un-Star Wars," (completely untrue, it's absolutely true to Lucas original vision) and now this new trilogy is too much like Star Wars??? I thought so too when I first saw it, as I did not enjoy it first time, second time I thought it was great. I was surprised, it seemed okay, but pretty dull first time, but then great fun the second time. Basically people are ready to jump on anything to fit in with their narrow worldview, so because The Force Awakens has a female protagonist and a black character then automatically it must be trying to be politically correct, but even if it were, it can still work like that. People put too much faith in the abilities of the corporate executives and "hacks" they claim to loathe to control them as if putting an enemy in front of you removes the burden of thinking for yourself. How many people rallied against George Lucas after Episode 1? As if making a film they didn't enjoy "raped their childhood" as they put it. Totally fucking gay.
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Post by TutuAnimationPrincess on Mar 4, 2017 19:19:34 GMT
No, the Star Wars universe is more than interesting enough that I continue to want more.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 4, 2017 22:36:08 GMT
I think that while they're both ultimately unnecessary films, the distinction can be drawn that at least Rogue One ATTEMPTS to broaden and deepen the preexisting story without altering or undermining it completely. Like, TFA utterly and entirely ruins the entire six movies that precede it; and, really, no subsequent "Episodes" can undo the damage done. Although: upon a bit of reflection RO does recast the Rebel Alliance as murderous, amoral terrorists. So. Yeah, maybe they're both just equally awful movies that each do a disservice to the original trilogy in equally awful ways? I didn't see them as amoral terrorists at all, with a few character exceptions. This one was trying to be more realistic too so it worked for me in that way. Take into account that I am not a huge Star Wars fan either. I like the OT but I don't think it is all that.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 22:41:39 GMT
Although: upon a bit of reflection RO does recast the Rebel Alliance as murderous, amoral terrorists. So. Yeah, maybe they're both just equally awful movies that each do a disservice to the original trilogy in equally awful ways? I didn't see them as amoral terrorists at all, with a few character exceptions. This one was trying to be more realistic too so it worked for me in that way. Take into account that I am not a huge Star Wars fan either. I like the OT but I don't think it is all that. I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 22:49:08 GMT
coldenhaulfield Even if a film is controlled by corporate executives, creativity still can thrive in that, if you're willing to look between. Basically, people are now complaining about Star Wars because they believe it includes a black character and female protagonist for the sake of equality and copies the formula of A New Hope, whereas they complained about racial stereotypes in The Phantom Menace. They said that The Phantom Menace was "un-Star Wars," (completely untrue, it's absolutely true to Lucas original vision) and now this new trilogy is too much like Star Wars??? I thought so too when I first saw it, as I did not enjoy it first time, second time I thought it was great. I was surprised, it seemed okay, but pretty dull first time, but then great fun the second time. Basically people are ready to jump on anything to fit in with their narrow worldview, so because The Force Awakens has a female protagonist and a black character then automatically it must be trying to be politically correct, but even if it were, it can still work like that. People put too much faith in the abilities of the corporate executives and "hacks" they claim to loathe to control them as if putting an enemy in front of you removes the burden of thinking for yourself. How many people rallied against George Lucas after Episode 1? As if making a film they didn't enjoy "raped their childhood" as they put it. Totally fucking gay. I agree about Phantom Menace but not about TFA. I think plenty of people had no problem whatsoever with a woman and a black guy in key or central roles. (FWIW, Finn was my personal favorite character in the movie; can't even imagine how much more shrill, obnoxious, and insufferable Rey would've been without him there.) It's just that the characters of Rey and Kylo Ren are both paper-thin, allow for no development, and don't develop in any way. There's no "journey" for Rey to go on because she already knows how to fly the Falcon, fight with a saber, use the Force, etc. That's piss-poor writing and, actually, condescending to women and anti-feminist by virtue of depriving Rey the same agency and dimensionality afforded to Luke in ANH and beyond. In fact, I would say that these sentiments are almost inescapable if one's willing to take on "the burden of thinking for yourself." It's a bad movie unworthy of the name Star Wars and leagues below any of the Lucas-helmed installments.
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Post by steven18 on Mar 5, 2017 0:03:30 GMT
I agree about Phantom Menace but not about TFA. I think plenty of people had no problem whatsoever with a woman and a black guy in key or central roles. (FWIW, Finn was my personal favorite character in the movie; can't even imagine how much more shrill, obnoxious, and insufferable Rey would've been without him there.) It's just that the characters of Rey and Kylo Ren are both paper-thin, allow for no development, and don't develop in any way. There's no "journey" for Rey to go on because she already knows how to fly the Falcon, fight with a saber, use the Force, etc. That's piss-poor writing and, actually, condescending to women and anti-feminist by virtue of depriving Rey the same agency and dimensionality afforded to Luke in ANH and beyond. In fact, I would say that these sentiments are almost inescapable if one's willing to take on "the burden of thinking for yourself." It's a bad movie unworthy of the name Star Wars and leagues below any of the Lucas-helmed installments. I disagree. My nostalgia for the prequels and the amazing fantasy world in those films kind of clouded my mind when I first watched TFA, among other things. Basically I felt shit watching it, so I tried to enjoy it but couldn't. Rewatched it a while later, and it's great. It hits all the marks, I had fun watching it like I did with the first Star Wars, and right from the start I felt the panic that Finn felt at the start of the film when the bloody hand touches his helmet and he doesn't know where to turn, and I never felt anything like that from the others, if anything they're kind of aloof, especially the prequels. Similarly, when I rewatched The Phantom Menace, I didn't get some kind of sad longing for childhood as it turned out to be a great film and I saw it with new eyes and no weight attached. I have no problem with Rey not going through some kind of struggle, because Star Wars was never meant to be taken literally, it's myth. I liked the characters and didn't find them annoying at all. I actually thought Daisy Ridley was great as Rey and not annoying at all, like I said before, none of it is forced, pardon the pun. I didn't even find that it was trying to be too much like the original trilogy either. I think someone was probably boiling that up before the film even came out and then lots of people started saying it, this film had a ready made backlash. Actually looking forward to The Last Jedi now.
I understand that you love the prequels and want to defend them and new Star Wars seems like it's trying to go against the style of the prequels, and those films had amazing art design and a vast world to get lost in, but try watching it without any attachment to the look and style of the prequels and see how it works. You can tell yourself a film is bad and then when you watch it the film isn't bad but you're just telling yourself it's bad. It's also fun if you spend a lot of time on forums especially to jump on a bandwagon and rip something to pieces. I haven't seen Rogue One yet so I'll reserve judgement on that.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 5, 2017 2:06:09 GMT
I didn't see them as amoral terrorists at all, with a few character exceptions. This one was trying to be more realistic too so it worked for me in that way. Take into account that I am not a huge Star Wars fan either. I like the OT but I don't think it is all that. I find your lack of faith disturbing. I find obsessive Star Wars fans disturbing.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 5, 2017 2:08:14 GMT
I agree about Phantom Menace but not about TFA. I think plenty of people had no problem whatsoever with a woman and a black guy in key or central roles. (FWIW, Finn was my personal favorite character in the movie; can't even imagine how much more shrill, obnoxious, and insufferable Rey would've been without him there.) It's just that the characters of Rey and Kylo Ren are both paper-thin, allow for no development, and don't develop in any way. There's no "journey" for Rey to go on because she already knows how to fly the Falcon, fight with a saber, use the Force, etc. That's piss-poor writing and, actually, condescending to women and anti-feminist by virtue of depriving Rey the same agency and dimensionality afforded to Luke in ANH and beyond. In fact, I would say that these sentiments are almost inescapable if one's willing to take on "the burden of thinking for yourself." It's a bad movie unworthy of the name Star Wars and leagues below any of the Lucas-helmed installments. I disagree. My nostalgia for the prequels and the amazing fantasy world in those films kind of clouded my mind when I first watched TFA, among other things. Basically I felt shit watching it, so I tried to enjoy it but couldn't. Rewatched it a while later, and it's great. It hits all the marks, I had fun watching it like I did with the first Star Wars, and right from the start I felt the panic that Finn felt at the start of the film when the bloody hand touches his helmet and he doesn't know where to turn, and I never felt anything like that from the others, if anything they're kind of aloof, especially the prequels. Similarly, when I rewatched The Phantom Menace, I didn't get some kind of sad longing for childhood as it turned out to be a great film and I saw it with new eyes and no weight attached. I have no problem with Rey not going through some kind of struggle, because Star Wars was never meant to be taken literally, it's myth. I liked the characters and didn't find them annoying at all. I actually thought Daisy Ridley was great as Rey and not annoying at all, like I said before, none of it is forced, pardon the pun. I didn't even find that it was trying to be too much like the original trilogy either. I think someone was probably boiling that up before the film even came out and then lots of people started saying it, this film had a ready made backlash. Actually looking forward to The Last Jedi now.
I understand that you love the prequels and want to defend them and new Star Wars seems like it's trying to go against the style of the prequels, and those films had amazing art design and a vast world to get lost in, but try watching it without any attachment to the look and style of the prequels and see how it works. You can tell yourself a film is bad and then when you watch it the film isn't bad but you're just telling yourself it's bad. It's also fun if you spend a lot of time on forums especially to jump on a bandwagon and rip something to pieces. I haven't seen Rogue One yet so I'll reserve judgement on that.
If a man was in the role of Rey I don't think he would have been given any more depth than her. I think you are looking to much into the movie.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 5, 2017 2:58:49 GMT
If a man was in the role of Rey I don't think he would have been given any more depth than her. I think you are looking to much into the movie. If a man was in the role of Rey and was written the same way I would make the same criticisms. I think your understanding of the capacity for characterization within film is shallow and pedestrian.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 5, 2017 3:00:03 GMT
I find your lack of faith disturbing. I find obsessive Star Wars fans disturbing.
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Post by cryso on Mar 5, 2017 4:20:38 GMT
They should be banned until moon jibber has his own movie
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 5, 2017 4:42:58 GMT
If a man was in the role of Rey I don't think he would have been given any more depth than her. I think you are looking to much into the movie. If a man was in the role of Rey and was written the same way I would make the same criticisms. I think your understanding of the capacity for characterization within film is shallow and pedestrian. No. You were complaining that they lazily wrote her character BECAUSE she is a woman. I wasn't defending the writing I was saying that I don't think the poor writing of the character has anything to do with her being a female. The whole movie is poorly written. If you think that my capacity is shallow and pedestrian that's fine with me. I disagree but it's fine.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 5, 2017 4:45:40 GMT
I find obsessive Star Wars fans disturbing. So you aren't an obsessive Star Wars fan?
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Post by CookiesNCream on Mar 5, 2017 5:25:57 GMT
And who or what has the power of banning Disney from doing anything?
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