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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 22:07:34 GMT
Do you think that Disney should be banned from making any future Star Wars content?
Judging from how horrible last two movies were, I'd say yes. It's clear Disney doesn't understand anything about what made Star Wars great and considers it just an afterthought to all that billions of cash they are making now.
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Post by Wesley Crusher on Mar 3, 2017 22:09:38 GMT
Star Wars is doing just fine
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 3, 2017 22:32:13 GMT
Do you think that Disney should be banned from making any future Star Wars content? Judging from how horrible last two movies were, I'd say yes. It's clear Disney doesn't understand anything about what made Star Wars great and considers it just an afterthought to all that billions of cash they are making now. Flat-out? Yeah. They should. They won't, but they should.
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Post by DarkManX on Mar 3, 2017 22:59:24 GMT
Star Wars is a safety net for Disney in case the MCU goes south. Didn't see Rogue One, but the Force Awakens was just a soulless copy of a New Hope.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 3, 2017 23:05:18 GMT
Star Wars is a safety net for Disney in case the MCU goes south. Didn't see Rogue One, but the Force Awakens was just a soulless copy of a New Hope. Just as TLJ will be a soulless copy of Empire, and so on. Exactly right, my friend.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 23:41:03 GMT
No.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 3, 2017 23:47:46 GMT
Yes. Search your feelings; you KNOW it to be true...
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Post by ebuzzmiller on Mar 4, 2017 0:26:00 GMT
Neither did George Lucas apparently when he made the prequels. I get the point though; the debate is now whether a boring, badly scripted new idea on the universe or a paint by numbers homage to the first three is the way to go. I think neither option is good.
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Post by NewtJorden on Mar 4, 2017 0:32:51 GMT
Do you think that Disney should be banned from making any future Star Wars content? Judging from how horrible last two movies were, I'd say yes. It's clear Disney doesn't understand anything about what made Star Wars great and considers it just an afterthought to all that billions of cash they are making now. Just because you dont love the last two movies doesnt mean everyone think the same.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 0:43:00 GMT
Neither did George Lucas apparently when he made the prequels. I get the point though; the debate is now whether a boring, badly scripted new idea on the universe or a paint by numbers homage to the first three is the way to go. I think neither option is good. Badly scripted? Sure, but no more than the original trilogy. But BORING? How rude!
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Post by ebuzzmiller on Mar 4, 2017 0:51:21 GMT
Neither did George Lucas apparently when he made the prequels. I get the point though; the debate is now whether a boring, badly scripted new idea on the universe or a paint by numbers homage to the first three is the way to go. I think neither option is good. Badly scripted? Sure, but no more than the original trilogy. But BORING? How rude! I think the main problem is Lucas apparently forgot how to create characters I cared about.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 1:00:29 GMT
Badly scripted? Sure, but no more than the original trilogy. But BORING? How rude! I think the main problem is Lucas apparently forgot how to create characters I cared about. Sounds like a personal problem* to me! *Shared by the majority of people who saw the movies; but not this guy...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 1:18:39 GMT
So who should make future Star Wars episodes (that's if they actually need to be made)?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 1:24:18 GMT
So who should make future Star Wars episodes (that's if they actually need to be made)? They don't. The story starts in I and (or, if you're a Machete guy, IV) and ends in VI. If you're really craving more Wars, there's six awesome seasons of Clone Wars from which to choose.
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Post by ck100 on Mar 4, 2017 2:54:03 GMT
If you're making a new Star Wars film, how do you go about doing it so that it appeals to new fans, appeals to old fans, and also doesn't feel like it's going over old territory?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 2:59:31 GMT
If you're making a new Star Wars film, how do you go about doing it so that it appeals to new fans, appeals to old fans, and also doesn't feel like it's going over old territory? I genuinely don't think it's possible or even worth attempting at this point. You're just reheating a souffle, and it's always gonna leave a substantial portion of the audience flat; that and the fact that Star Wars is almost akin to an organized religion at this point, replete with all the fractures and smaller sects as well makes it exceptionally difficult. Making a truly great and universally acclaimed Star Wars movie would be like trying to win another National Championship in football at the University of Notre Dame. It's not technically impossible and a casual observer would think it's quite attainable, but anyone with intricate, ground-level knowledge of the Reality of the Reality will tell you it's a doomed voyage, a fool's errand, and so on.
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Post by ebuzzmiller on Mar 4, 2017 3:12:04 GMT
I think the main problem is Lucas apparently forgot how to create characters I cared about. Sounds like a personal problem* to me! *Shared by the majority of people who saw the movies; but not this guy...You might say that, but I'm sure a lot of people would say there's significant problems when he failed to make lynchpin character of the prequels anything but a 2d character that no one really cared for except as an irritating one petulant brat.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 4, 2017 3:21:43 GMT
Sounds like a personal problem* to me! *Shared by the majority of people who saw the movies; but not this guy...You might say that, but I'm sure a lot of people would say there's significant problems when he failed to make lynchpin character of the prequels anything but a 2d character that no one really cared for except as an irritating one petulant brat. Man, I wish prequel haters were held to anything resembling intellectual honesty rather than primal, infantile, and strictly subjective lunges in any one particular direction. Sorry the movies didn't slake your primal lust to recapture your childhood/20s/whenever you saw the original trilogy. In the immortal words of the Dude: Just because you didn't like the "lynchpin character" of the prequels doesn't make him one- or even two-dimensional. I assume you're referring to Anakin, even though I'd argue (a) he's not the "lynchpin" of the three films or even the latter two, and (b) he's a more multidimensional character than anyone in the original trilogy. (Obviously, being an even somewhat serious and rational person, I don't even acknowledge the Disney Wars movies as having anything even approaching legitimacy. Actually, they're the least legitimate Star Wars endeavors undertaken. But that's neither here nor there.) [insert Kermit sipping lemonade meme]
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Post by gromel on Mar 4, 2017 3:46:41 GMT
I really didn't like TFA so I skipped Rogue One and will skip the rest. TFA felt like it just betrayed everything the OT stood for: recycling conflicts poorly, removing all sense of accomplishment the good guys earned after all their sacrifices, and hinging on walking deus ex machinae to make both happen.
They should have left the "Skywalker movie saga" alone since as of the prequels, it began and ended with Anakin. It wasn't like that as of ROTJ but that's the way it went. Instead they should have started a new story in the same galaxy centuries later. The Skywalker bloodline can still exist but they're not the main players.
The gap of time could justify the existence of Vader cultists, unlike TFA's unbelievable mewling quim. But hell, if the world had common sense, any Vader cultist would simply be stopped by Anakin('s ghost) himself telling them off. So forget the Vader cultists and have the villains be their own characters.
Hell, I'm just hoping something like the new Dune movie comes along to blow the new Star Wars out. May their knives chip and shatter.
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Post by sov on Mar 4, 2017 3:52:27 GMT
They don't make Star Wars content for the art of it. When George Lucas negotiated for ownership of licensing and merchandizing rights, he didn't do it for the art of these movies. It's a business. So yeah, the bank they could make from the Star Wars franchise, is probably on the forefront of their mind. That was obvious from the beginning.
I don't think they should be banned from making new SW content any more than George Lucas should've after he used shoddy SFX to make Greedo shoot first... or when he introduced Jar Jar Binks... or when he used the Hayden Christensen Force Ghost... eh, the point is: they own Star Wars now, and they could do with it what they please. They will make missteps, and they have made missteps, but so has the creator of Star Wars. And if you aren't a fan of what they do, there is always the option of not watching 'em and only accepting the Original Trilogy as canon. I know plenty of people who made that choice after watching the Prequels.
My opinion, anyway...
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