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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 22:06:49 GMT
I found these to be a fun ride. Can anyone else associate these with horror in a sense - wasn't it the first one that involved a 'Cult'? Watching Sleepy Hollow right now with Johnny Depp - always love movies like this involved in this time period - just like the Sherlock Holmes movies. Thinking about rewatching the 'Holmes' movies over the weekend for Halloween as I'm watching Sleepy Hollow right now. Holmes. Horrror elements or not? Who's with me? Thoughts? Discuss.
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Post by hi224 on Oct 26, 2017 22:44:52 GMT
nah, more like throwback pulpy steampunk action thriller.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 22:49:24 GMT
nah, more like throwback pulpy steampunk action thriller. don't you see an element of 'horror' in cults that sacrifice people though (I look at Hot Fuzz with Simon Pegg - Shaun of the Dead fame) - the same way?
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 26, 2017 23:22:51 GMT
No.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 23:31:13 GMT
No.
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Post by hi224 on Oct 26, 2017 23:34:19 GMT
nah, more like throwback pulpy steampunk action thriller. don't you see an element of 'horror' in cults that sacrifice people though (I look at Hot Fuzz with Simon Pegg - Shaun of the Dead fame) - the same way? Not really because while its a a predominate focal point its not the backdrop at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 23:36:59 GMT
don't you see an element of 'horror' in cults that sacrifice people though (I look at Hot Fuzz with Simon Pegg - Shaun of the Dead fame) - the same way? Not really because while its a a predominate focal point its not the backdrop at all. Ahhhhh!!!! But what was the predominant point in 'Rosemary's Baby' - regarded as a classic Horror flick - horror? Did the movie really focus on 'horror' depending on what your definition is of the genre?
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Post by hi224 on Oct 26, 2017 23:47:08 GMT
Not really because while its a a predominate focal point its not the backdrop at all. Ahhhhh!!!! But what was the predominant point in 'Rosemary's Baby' - regarded as a classic Horror flick - horror? Did the movie really focus on 'horror' depending on what your definition is of the genre? still woould call it action adventure, nothing of the tone suggested horror.
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Post by fangirl1975 on Oct 26, 2017 23:50:57 GMT
nah, more like throwback pulpy steampunk action thriller. don't you see an element of 'horror' in cults that sacrifice people though (I look at Hot Fuzz with Simon Pegg - Shaun of the Dead fame) - the same way? I do. The Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes also has the element of a villain who seems to return from the grave.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 23:53:11 GMT
Ahhhhh!!!! But what was the predominant point in 'Rosemary's Baby' - regarded as a classic Horror flick - horror? Did the movie really focus on 'horror' depending on what your definition is of the genre? still woould call it action adventure, nothing of the tone suggested horror. you would call Rosemary's Baby action adventure when it's considered an all-time horror classic? i don't know about that. i'd call it a boring 'drama' dud. the original Wicker Man too before the ending which revealed it as a 'horror'. boring 'mystery'.
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Post by hi224 on Oct 26, 2017 23:54:09 GMT
still woould call it action adventure, nothing of the tone suggested horror. you would call Rosemary's Baby action adventure when it's considered an all-time horror classic? i don't know about that. i'd call it a boring 'drama' dud. the original Wicker Man too before the ending which revealed it as a 'horror'. boring 'mystery'. no meant Sherlock Holmes
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Post by hi224 on Oct 26, 2017 23:54:34 GMT
still woould call it action adventure, nothing of the tone suggested horror. you would call Rosemary's Baby action adventure when it's considered an all-time horror classic? i don't know about that. i'd call it a boring 'drama' dud. the original Wicker Man too before the ending which revealed it as a 'horror'. boring 'mystery'. Also you should quit making posts if you dislike people agreeing with you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 0:01:51 GMT
you would call Rosemary's Baby action adventure when it's considered an all-time horror classic? i don't know about that. i'd call it a boring 'drama' dud. the original Wicker Man too before the ending which revealed it as a 'horror'. boring 'mystery'. Also you should quit making posts if you dislike people agreeing with you. who are you - the 'posting' police?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 0:04:55 GMT
don't you see an element of 'horror' in cults that sacrifice people though (I look at Hot Fuzz with Simon Pegg - Shaun of the Dead fame) - the same way? I do. The Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes also has the element of a villain who seems to return from the grave.
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 27, 2017 0:10:53 GMT
Hi, @screamingtreefrogs-- I see exactly what you mean, and to a large extent I agree. The point to which hi224 is referring, I think, is how the cultish aspects of the plot are (cleverly) debunked--unlike, say, Rosemary's Baby. On the whole, though, I agree with you that the film works as horror; certainly, mystery and horror are joined at the hip (both are descended from Gothic fiction), so the connection is unsurprising. It is very spooky and certainly suggests that Lord Blackstone (or whatever his name was) rose from the dead, so--again--I agree, even if its cultural antecedents more suggest Gothicism (in which, largely, apparently supernatural phenomena were given natural explanations). I find the movie a great deal of fun except for one thing: Downey's performance as Holmes. It is such a major element, unfortunately...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 0:16:46 GMT
Hi, @screamingtreefrogs -- I see exactly what you mean, and to a large extent I agree. The point to which hi224 is referring, I think, is how the cultish aspects of the plot are (cleverly) debunked--unlike, say, Rosemary's Baby. On the whole, though, I agree with you that the film works as horror; certainly, mystery and horror are joined at the hip (both are descended from Gothic fiction), so the connection is unsurprising. It is very spooky and certainly suggests that Lord Blackstone (or whatever his name was) rose from the dead, so--again--I agree, even if its cultural antecedents more suggest Gothicism (in which, largely, apparently supernatural phenomena were given natural explanations). I find the movie a great deal of fun except for one thing: Downey's performance as Holmes. It is such a major element, unfortunately... awesome synopsis. curious - what didn't you like about Downey Jr. though? to me it was like watching a real life person portray a fictional character who had similar personality traits - holmes was brilliant but could be a lackadaisical ignorant oaf due to his addictions and needing to be challenged in life in order to get him back on track........
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Post by hi224 on Oct 27, 2017 0:29:01 GMT
Hi, @screamingtreefrogs -- I see exactly what you mean, and to a large extent I agree. The point to which hi224 is referring, I think, is how the cultish aspects of the plot are (cleverly) debunked--unlike, say, Rosemary's Baby. On the whole, though, I agree with you that the film works as horror; certainly, mystery and horror are joined at the hip (both are descended from Gothic fiction), so the connection is unsurprising. It is very spooky and certainly suggests that Lord Blackstone (or whatever his name was) rose from the dead, so--again--I agree, even if its cultural antecedents more suggest Gothicism (in which, largely, apparently supernatural phenomena were given natural explanations). I find the movie a great deal of fun except for one thing: Downey's performance as Holmes. It is such a major element, unfortunately... awesome synopsis. curious - what didn't you like about Downey Jr. though? to me it was like watching a real life person portray a fictional character who had similar personality traits - holmes was brilliant but could be a lackadaisical ignorant oaf due to his addictions and needing to be challenged in life in order to get him back on track........ Curious do you feel Kill List is horror? and Sightseers? both sort of feel like quasi horror.
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Post by hi224 on Oct 27, 2017 0:30:26 GMT
Also you should quit making posts if you dislike people agreeing with you. who are you - the 'posting' police? and no but you seem like you go to great lengths when someone disagrees with you to prove them wrong somehow, or deride their opinion as well.
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 27, 2017 0:30:56 GMT
@screamingtreefrogs Thanks! A few things bothered me about Downey's performance. First of all, he didn't particularly convince me that he was English. I'm not so much a stickler that I demand that an English actor play Holmes, but--if not--he must do a very good job of convincing me. Connected with that, perhaps, is that Holmes is above all a gentleman. A Bohemian, moody one, to be sure, but he's not a moping sociopath or a provocateur. Rather, he believes in honesty, decency, chivalry, and fair-play--long held principles of order and justice. Basil Rathbone's performance leaned towards the gentlemanly side; Jeremy Brett's performance had the remarkable ability to manage both sides; and most modern portrayals reverse the Rathbone and lean toward the moodiness and addictiveness. (I should note that the cocaine addiction plays remarkably little role in the stories--hardly any outside of The Sign of the Four.) Third, and most troubling of all, Holmes is not a superhero or an action hero. I know that what seem trite, but it's essential to the character; make him into James Bond, and you're dealing with an utterly different character (and I love Bond, so that's no criticism, just a recognition of differences). Now, that's not to say that there can be no action in the film, but the Ritchie film seems to see Holmes as a wisecracking 18th century version of a Marvel hero--which is simply a bastardization of the character. I really like the movie; I think it's fun and clever, and it gets a positive rating from me; my only quibble is the Downey performance. Hope that helps to explain it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 0:36:59 GMT
awesome synopsis. curious - what didn't you like about Downey Jr. though? to me it was like watching a real life person portray a fictional character who had similar personality traits - holmes was brilliant but could be a lackadaisical ignorant oaf due to his addictions and needing to be challenged in life in order to get him back on track........ Curious do you feel Kill List is horror? and Sightseers? both sort of feel like quasi horror. i've never seen them/heard of them. would you recommend them?
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