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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 30, 2019 14:38:06 GMT
I used to love it, and I still love the visuals, but when I rewatched it for last Halloween I was kinda bored.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 16:10:25 GMT
I used to love it, and I still love the visuals, but when I rewatched it for last Halloween I was kinda bored. It's very hard to get invested in the characters because they're so bland (even Depp). And the plot is extremely convoluted. Then there's a bunch of weird random stuff- like the fake horseman throwing the pumpkin at Depp- which I know is a direct homage to the original story, but it still feels out of place and completely pointless. And even the things that act as set ups -like the witch in the cave- feel pointless until the big pay offs.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 30, 2019 16:41:43 GMT
I used to love it, and I still love the visuals, but when I rewatched it for last Halloween I was kinda bored. It's very hard to get invested in the characters because they're so bland (even Depp). And the plot is extremely convoluted. Then there's a bunch of weird random stuff- like the fake horseman throwing the pumpkin at Depp- which I know is a direct homage to the original story, but it still feels out of place and completely pointless. And even the things that act as set ups -like the witch in the cave- feel pointless until the big pay offs. IT MADE YOU SLEEPY CAUSE IT WAS HOLLOW!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 16:43:56 GMT
It's very hard to get invested in the characters because they're so bland (even Depp). And the plot is extremely convoluted. Then there's a bunch of weird random stuff- like the fake horseman throwing the pumpkin at Depp- which I know is a direct homage to the original story, but it still feels out of place and completely pointless. And even the things that act as set ups -like the witch in the cave- feel pointless until the big pay offs. IT MADE YOU SLEEPY CAUSE IT WAS HOLLOW! BRILLIANT!!!!!!!@
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 30, 2019 17:04:11 GMT
I used to love it, and I still love the visuals, but when I rewatched it for last Halloween I was kinda bored. It's very hard to get invested in the characters because they're so bland (even Depp). And the plot is extremely convoluted. Then there's a bunch of weird random stuff- like the fake horseman throwing the pumpkin at Depp- which I know is a direct homage to the original story, but it still feels out of place and completely pointless. And even the things that act as set ups -like the witch in the cave- feel pointless until the big pay offs. I feel like that with most Burton characters, other than the wacky group in Ed Wood, so I didn’t really mind the blandness here…though I go back and forth on whether Christina Ricci is purposely acting like a robot or whether it’s just a bad performance. Oh, yeah, the plot’s convoluted. For one thing, as someone pointed out to me once, how is Lady V.T. going to collect on the fortune if everyone thinks she’s dead? I was fooled by the plot the first time (I was convinced they were going to make Katrina the culprit), so I give the screenwriter credit for that. But you’re right that so many scenes don’t add up: scenes particularly don’t seem to flow and/or aren’t integrated with the main storyline, including Brom Bones’ whole character. Related: a lot of it is needlessly confusing. The whole elaborate scene with Depp’s flying witch-mother—sure, dreamlike and well-done, but huh? Yet there’s so much I love, from the brilliant opening with Martin Landau to the Christopher Lee cameo (unforgivably wasted—top billing but there for, what, a minute) to the oodles of autumnal atmosphere throughout. The feel is sublime. Gah. That’s the typical Burton flaw.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 30, 2019 18:57:50 GMT
Brom Bones had to die-he promotes toxic masculinity. You have to wonder who makes the call-the director or the studio--maybe the studio does and the director's job is to try to make the message palatable to audiences. Like, did Tim Burton really want Michael Keaton for Batman, or did the studio insist? I recall 20/20 did a segment on the movie and a comic book fan said Batman was "a big guy--6'2, 210 pounds." Burton said he couldnt imagine someone big needing a bat costume when a ski mask would suffice-and the Mask of the Phantasm spoofed that by having Bruce Wayne initially go out in a ski mask and the crooks laughing at him!
Disney's official wiki has Brom Bones as the bad guy in the 1940s animation (watching it tomorrow night). I do not think the cartoon implies he is the bad guy--Ichabod isn't entirely noble--he wants Van Tassel's money. "The old goat can't live forever.."
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 30, 2019 19:05:07 GMT
^^^ Actually, I’ve long had this wacky idea of stringing four Washington Irving stories together, each story representing a different season (e.g., summer for “Rip van Winkle,” fall for “The Legend of Sleepy Hollow”) and turning the whole thing into a musical. I even have a title, Knickerbocker Tales. The major thing I wanted to change for my “Sleepy Hollow” adaptation would be making the hero Brom, rather than Ichabod (as in most versions). As you noted, Prime etc., Ichabod’s far from a saint in the original story and the Disney cartoon—he may lust after Katrina, but he wants her father’s money even more. God knows when I’ll get around to writing that—got to find someone to write the music first!
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 30, 2019 19:40:03 GMT
I once set myself on a challenge to write a literary hoax Canadian version of a Headless Horseman type story. Canadian literature was pretty much non-existent at the same period Poe and Irving were active (one of the first recognized Canadian novels is THE CLOCKMAKER which is awful-practically unreadable). The goal was to come up with a supernatural character and Ichabod-type protagonist clone which fit Canadian location and history (i.e. the Dutch settlers were replaced by Scottish, the school teacher became a postal courier, the ghostly mercenary soldier became a trapper on a sleigh). There's a ruins of a church in Quebec which was said to be protection against supernatural forces and that became the counterpart for the bridge. I sent it to a couple of Canadian literary magazines for response but they were so beholden to multiculturalism and global outreach, something set in colonial Canada has zero interest for them.
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 30, 2019 19:56:24 GMT
I once set myself on a challenge to write a literary hoax Canadian version of a Headless Horseman type story. Canadian literature was pretty much non-existent at the same period Poe and Irving were active (one of the first recognized Canadian novels is THE CLOCKMAKER which is awful-practically unreadable). The goal was to come up with a supernatural character and Ichabod-type protagonist clone which fit Canadian location and history (i.e. the Dutch settlers were replaced by Scottish, the school teacher became a postal courier, the ghostly mercenary soldier became a trapper on a sleigh). There’s a ruins of a church in Quebec which was said to be protection against supernatural forces and that became the counterpart for the bridge. I sent it to a couple of Canadian literary magazines for response but they were so beholden to multiculturalism and global outreach, something set in colonial Canada has zero interest for them. That sounds really interesting… I’d love to read a draft if you still have one. I actually just came back from a vacation, first in Canada (Québec City), then in Sleepy Hollow, coincidentally enough.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Oct 31, 2019 2:17:27 GMT
Kinda odd I made this thread and never gave my score...
8/10 for me. I love the hyper-stylization and atmosphere.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Oct 31, 2019 10:53:44 GMT
7/10
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Post by Eλευθερί on Oct 9, 2020 7:28:21 GMT
8.5/10
I didn't care much for the color shading, or the Hessian's weird contact lenses, or Depp's mannerisms. But great ensemble cast & marvelous effects.
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Post by sjg on Dec 14, 2020 8:11:48 GMT
6/10
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