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Post by petrolino on Oct 29, 2017 0:06:11 GMT
'The Birds' is an operatic creature feature in which a series of unexplained bird attacks destroys a small fishing community in Bodega Bay, California. The Performers
Tippi Hedren as Melanie Daniels Rod Taylor as Mitchell "Mitch" Brenner Jessica Tandy as Lydia Brenner Suzanne Pleshette as Annie Hayworth Veronica Cartwright as Cathy Brenner Ethel Griffies as Mrs. Bundy, ornithologist Charles McGraw as Sebastian Sholes, fisherman Lonny Chapman as Deke Carter, innkeeper Doreen Lang as Hysterical Mother Karl Swenson as Drunken "Prophet" Joe Mantell as Cynical Businessman Ruth McDevitt as Mrs. MacGruder, owner of bird shop Malcolm Atterbury as Deputy Al Malone John McGovern as Mail Clerk Richard Deacon as Mitch's neighbor in San Francisco Elizabeth Wilson as Helen Carter, Deke's wife Doodles Weaver as Fisherman helping with rental boat William Quinn as Sam - Man in Diner Alfred Hitchcock - Man with Dogs
I attended a theatrical screening of 'The Birds' in the 1990s and was struck by how much the audience laughed at pivotal moments. It's interesting knowing now that the film's director Alfred Hitchcock purposefully adopted timings and techniques from screwball comedies when making it. This is not to say there aren't scary moments, but it's a curious blend of styles that touches on all emotions. 'The Birds' also indulges Hitchcock's passions for light entertainment, social satire, romance and intrigue, particularly during the build-up. A remake today might star George Clooney and Margot Robbie in the lead roles occupied by Rod Taylor and Tippi Hedren. Alfred Hitchcock & Suzanne Pleshette
Hitchcock superimposes hundreds of sparrows over his performers during a birthday party set-piece that signals terror has arrived. If you've ever witnessed dancing birds they can be hypnotic. My favourites where I live are magpies as I often bare witness to their complex manoeuvres and extraordinary flight patterns. I also like the crows and ravens that walk around the roadside; I find if I wink at them they may engage me in conversation.
I find the scariest moment in 'The Birds' is a close-up of Jessica Tandy when she loses it with Taylor which highlights the fact that these coastal birds just aren't scary, even when attacking en masse. It's an entertaining film though. I enjoyed it more watching it today than I have done previously. You could deconstruct the petrol station incident in a film class; it's vintage Hitchcock. In 2016, 'The Birds' was deemed "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant" by the United States Library of Congress and selected for preservation in its National Film Registry. There's a sequel directed by Rick Rosenthal, 'The Birds 2 : Land's End' (1994). The British Broadcasting Corporation is planning a new adaptation of Daphne Du Maurier's original story for television.
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Post by wmcclain on Oct 29, 2017 0:16:43 GMT
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Post by petrolino on Oct 29, 2017 0:53:40 GMT
Hi wmcclain. I'd like to read your review of 'The Birds' but I can't access your link (it keeps taking me back to the same imdb2 page). Love the picture scroll though, gorgeous Hitchcock colour collage.
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Post by wmcclain on Oct 29, 2017 1:07:14 GMT
Hi wmcclain. I'd like to read your review of 'The Birds' but I can't access your link (it keeps taking me back to the same imdb2 page). Love the picture scroll though, gorgeous Hitchcock colour collage. Oops, typo. That clerk has been sacked. Refresh and try it again.
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Post by petrolino on Oct 29, 2017 1:16:22 GMT
Hi wmcclain. I'd like to read your review of 'The Birds' but I can't access your link (it keeps taking me back to the same imdb2 page). Love the picture scroll though, gorgeous Hitchcock colour collage. Oops, typo. That clerk has been sacked. Refresh and try it again. You make some very interesting points. The lack of music for example is striking, especially during shot constructions. I totally agree about some of the supporting characters being up front and centre too; gravel-voiced fisherman Charles McGraw, know-it-all ornithologist Ethel Griffies and cheeky barman Lonny Chapman are quietly compelling during the diner scene where armageddon's predicted by a crazy. "Melanie employs "reverse voyeurism" when she sneaks the love-birds into Mitch's house. It is erotic play without being seen. But Mitch brings out the binoculars: you know how men are."Right with you on this point. It's a fascinating opening, presenting the stiff lawyer being "stalked" by the socialite. And Suzanne Pleshette is like that school teacher every boy wished they had. Thanks dude.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 29, 2017 1:20:54 GMT
Can't say it enough. I absolutely love this movie! One of my all time favorites.
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Post by petrolino on Oct 29, 2017 1:23:14 GMT
Can't say it enough. I absolutely love this movie! One of my all time favorites. I've always liked it but it's growing on me. Might become one of my favourites after this latest viewing.
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Post by jervistetch on Oct 29, 2017 1:50:48 GMT
Hitchcock actually filmed THE BIRDS in two nearby towns, Bodega and Bodega Bay, CA. He merged the two towns into one. The schoolhouse is in Bodega and The Tides restaurant is in Bodega Bay. The original Tides restaurant burned down but its been replaced. It has a gift shop filled with BIRDS items like shirts and stuffed blackbirds. It's very popular. Everyone STILL loves the movie. The schoolhouse is still standing and is now a private residence. Whenever we're in the area we swing by and there are always people standing in front taking pictures. It's absolutely beautiful country out there.Hitchcock loved Northern California. Fun Fact: In nearby Santa Rosa, the SHADOW OF A DOUBT house still stands. It's beautiful. If the Newtons still own it they could probably sell it for millions now.
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Post by mikef6 on Oct 29, 2017 1:54:07 GMT
I saw “The Birds” the first weekend it opened in 1963. I was a high school senior and a budding film critic and scholar (HA. Still working toward that). When we left the theater, I told my buddies that this was one of the greatest movies ever. Reading reviews later at the library, I learned that most professionals didn’t agree with me; there were mostly mixed reviews. Critical consensus took a little bit of time to catch up to me, but finally did.
Just about one month ago, I finally achieved a dream I have had for a long time. My Lovely Wife and I got to spend some time in the northern California towns of Bodega Bay and Bodega. In Bodega Bay, the Tides restaurant has changed very much since the film shoot but if you go to their outdoor seating overlooking the bay, you can see the dock where Tippi Hedren rents an outboard motor boat from 1930s comedian, Doodles Weaver. It has hardly changed a bit.
The schoolhouse was an abandoned building in 1962. The film crew dressed it up a little bit and hung a sign on it. The house next door where Suzanne Pleshette lived was a façade. The entire site is now filled with mature trees. The “schoolhouse” is a private residence, but there is so much interest that the owners have put in a small parking lot for visitors’ convenience – but you park right in front of a sign asking for respect for privacy. This building is located in the nearby town of Bodega. When the school children flee down the hill, they arrive at the Tides which, in Reality, is seven miles away from where they started. Movie magic.
The lady in the Bodega Bay visitors' center said that one of every three inquires is about "Birds" locations.
I reluctantly sat down to take a look at “The Birds 2: Land’s End.” Instead of the slow build that Hitch gave us, the very first thing we see, with no introduction, is a man being attacked and pecked to death. I lasted, maybe, 45 seconds into the oxymoronic “made for TV movie.”
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Post by mikef6 on Oct 29, 2017 2:03:22 GMT
Hitchcock actually filmed THE BIRDS in two nearby towns, Bodega and Bodega Bay, CA. He merged the two towns into one. The schoolhouse is in Bodega and The Tides restaurant is in Bodega Bay. The original Tides restaurant burned down but its been replaced. It has a gift shop filled with BIRDS items like shirts and stuffed blackbirds. It's very popular. Everyone STILL loves the movie. The schoolhouse is still standing and is now a private residence. Whenever we're in the area we swing by and there are always people standing in front taking pictures. It's absolutely beautiful country out there.Hitchcock loved Northern California. Fun Fact: In nearby Santa Rosa, the SHADOW OF A DOUBT house still stands. It's beautiful. If the Newtons still own it they could probably sell it for millions now. When you were posting your pictures I was posting my account of my visit to Bodega Bay (my first) just about a month ago. That Birds schoolhouse, now a residence, is almost like a pilgrimage for a lot of people. For a movie 54 years old, it sure gets a lot of respect. There were others, younger people, there at the same time we were - taking pictures, as you said. Thanks for posting. I have read that 5% of Santa Rosa housing stock has been destroyed by the wildfires that still threaten the area. I have tried to find some news about the Hitchcock location, but was not successful in finding out if the Newton house is safe.
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Post by jervistetch on Oct 29, 2017 2:18:36 GMT
I THOUGHT that was you, Mike. I was the one who bummed the cigarette off of you. I said, "That guy looked just like Bogie". Just kidding. I hope you drove around to Bodega Head and stood on the cliffs over the ocean. Breathtaking view and a great spot for whale watching. The fires were horrible. They actually got very close to the Newton house but I'm pretty sure it was spared.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Oct 29, 2017 18:31:06 GMT
On another thread some time back, I referred to "the wrongly-accused man on the run" as "Hitchcock's most oft-revisited theme," which was actually a misstatement; that's merely a device: the theme represented was that of chaos thrust upon a world of order, and The Birds is at once Hitchcock's most overt - in the out-of-nowhere bird attacks themselves - and yet most abstract - in their inexplicable nature - exploitation of that theme.
It's no more about bird attacks than The 39 Steps and Notorious are about spies or espionage; they're merely the device, and why they occur is of absolutely no consequence. Any explanation would not only add nothing to the film, but would detract from a primary aspect of its appeal: its inscrutability. What is of consequence is how five people, and those in their small community periphery, react to unexplained events that throw ordered lives into chaos, and how the default emotional position of each is brought to bear upon those reactions.
Sure-of-himself Mitch Brenner is a San Francisco attorney during the workweek and de facto head of the Bodega Bay household of his widowed mother and much younger sister on weekends. Independent and self-reliant, he's exact in his beliefs about law, order, justice and duty, and pursues his commitment to each. And when chaos descends, he's decisive and practical in his actions.
His needy mother Lydia has never fully recovered from her husband's death or adjusted to his absence. "It's odd how you depend on someone for strength, and then suddenly all the strength is gone, and you're alone," she says, and the emotional dependence she's transferred to Mitch leaves her open to near-breakdown in crisis.
Mitch's sister Cathy is a reasonably well-adjusted child in spite of Lydia's distance and reserve, which very likely contribute to her emotional accessibility: where Lydia's guarded, Cathy is open, welcoming affection from wherever it's offered.
Annie Hayworth, Cathy's schoolteacher, is all about forbearance and quiet self-sacrifice. Following an unsuccessful relationship with Mitch in San Francisco years earlier, she's relocated to Bodega Bay to remain a part of his life, but harbors no illusions, even offering helpful advice to a new romantic prospect of her former inamorato. And that sense of self-sacrifice will come to be applied at a moment when it matters most.
Melanie Daniels, the central character drawn in detail as a flighty and headstrong sophisticate abandoned in childhood by her mother and indulged by a wealthy and powerful father, is nevertheless something of a cipher, presented as the enigmatic human analogy to the avian chaos descending upon the isolated seaside community and the Brenner family. And this is as it should be, from Hitchcock's thematic standpoint: her arrival and the concurrent and escalating attacks each mirror the other as intrusions upon the order and stability of both the family and the community.
While an outcome of those intrusions will embody encouraging resolutions to deficits in the lives of at least three of these principal characters, their futures remain at the close as ambiguous as the film itself. And this is also as it should be, providing as it does an apropos quality of thematic unity.
The Birds is justly celebrated as one of Hitchcock's memorably crafted roller-coaster rides, delivering thrills and chills with calculated, rhythmic precision but, as with any of his best exemplars of the form, it delivers substance that's as intricate and foundational as any to be found underpinning the most scream-inducing amusement park attraction, and upon which they all depend.
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Post by spiderwort on Oct 29, 2017 18:44:20 GMT
Hitchcock actually filmed THE BIRDS in two nearby towns, Bodega and Bodega Bay, CA. He merged the two towns into one. The schoolhouse is in Bodega and The Tides restaurant is in Bodega Bay. The original Tides restaurant burned down but its been replaced. It has a gift shop filled with BIRDS items like shirts and stuffed blackbirds. It's very popular. Everyone STILL loves the movie. The schoolhouse is still standing and is now a private residence. Whenever we're in the area we swing by and there are always people standing in front taking pictures. It's absolutely beautiful country out there.Hitchcock loved Northern California. Fun Fact: In nearby Santa Rosa, the SHADOW OF A DOUBT house still stands. It's beautiful. If the Newtons still own it they could probably sell it for millions now. I lived for awhile in Sebastopol, just west of Santa Rose and east of Bodega Bay, so I spent a lot of time in both places. Love them both, though Bodega & Bodega Bay would be my favorites. The tragic impact of the fire in Santa Rosa is unbelievable. I have friends there who lost their homes, but thankfully not their lives. As for THE BIRDS, it's one of my Hitchcock favorites, possibly as much for the locations as for the story.
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Post by jervistetch on Oct 29, 2017 20:10:27 GMT
Spiderwort, I love Sebastopol, another idyllic little town in the area. We love to go to nearby Kozlowski Farms for their pies and jellies.
Anyway: I seem to recall reading somewhere (though I can't remember where) that Hitchcock wanted an alternative ending. He wanted Melanie and the Brenners to successfully escape Bodega Bay and drive back toward San Francisco. As they drive over the hill from Marin County they see the Golden Gate Bridge completely covered with Birds. THE END. However, the powers that be (the studio?) would not allow such a bleak ending, much to Hitchcock's dismay. I think that would have been a spectacular ending. Has anyone else ever heard this or did I dream it?
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Post by outrider127 on Oct 29, 2017 20:23:11 GMT
Hitchcock actually filmed THE BIRDS in two nearby towns, Bodega and Bodega Bay, CA. He merged the two towns into one. The schoolhouse is in Bodega and The Tides restaurant is in Bodega Bay. The original Tides restaurant burned down but its been replaced. It has a gift shop filled with BIRDS items like shirts and stuffed blackbirds. It's very popular. Everyone STILL loves the movie. The schoolhouse is still standing and is now a private residence. Whenever we're in the area we swing by and there are always people standing in front taking pictures. It's absolutely beautiful country out there.Hitchcock loved Northern California. Fun Fact: In nearby Santa Rosa, the SHADOW OF A DOUBT house still stands. It's beautiful. If the Newtons still own it they could probably sell it for millions now. Hitchcock made the area look better than it actually is--Many of the long shots were actually paintings and backdrops,to give it a more green, or lush look,if you look carefully----In the later movie The Russians Are Coming(1968),the area does not look nearly as nice
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Post by outrider127 on Oct 29, 2017 20:24:17 GMT
love the movie, saw it again a few months ago
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Post by Doghouse6 on Oct 29, 2017 20:32:40 GMT
Anyway: I seem to recall reading somewhere (though I can't remember where) that Hitchcock wanted an alternative ending. He wanted Melanie and the Brenners to successfully escape Bodega Bay and drive back toward San Francisco. As they drive over the hill from Marin County they see the Golden Gate Bridge completely covered with Birds. THE END. However, the powers that be (the studio?) would not allow such a bleak ending, much to Hitchcock's dismay. I think that would have been a spectacular ending. Has anyone else ever heard this or did I dream it? By all accounts, that's true and it's a story Hitch loved to tell, although the reasons behind it became murkier over the years: the studio rejected the idea outright; or such a shot would have stretched the already maxed-out effects budget beyond its limits; or Hitchcock himself decided against it and merely embellished in telling about it. Although I've absolutely no evidence on which to base it except the film itself, I lean toward the last; believing the existing ending in keeping with the overall tone of ambiguity.
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Post by gunshotwound on Oct 30, 2017 0:03:15 GMT
Mother in Diner: [to Melanie] Why are they doing this? Why are they doing this? They said when you got here the whole thing started. Who are you? What are you? Where did you come from? I think you're the cause of all of this. I think you're evil. EVIL!
I saw it when it was first released and loved it and I still love it. It is one of my favorite Hitchcock movies.
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Post by marianne48 on Oct 30, 2017 0:31:09 GMT
I'm not sure where I saw this (on one of the DVD editions of the movie, perhaps?), but I know I've seen pictures of storyboards of the alternate ending which included shots of birds attacking the car as Melanie and the Brenners drive along, tearing off the cloth top of the convertible while the passengers scream in terror.
I've always thought the movie was Hitchcock's twisted tribute to women--starting with the title, The Birds, birds being a slang term for women in Hitchcock's England. Note that the female characters in the movie tend to have different kinds of strengths, while the men are rather ineffectual in comparison:
Melanie is the showy, preening bird that knows how to attract all the male attention
Annie is the sad but faithful mourning dove; she is ready to sacrifice herself in order to protect the nestlings (the schoolchildren and, in particular, her former mate's little sister)
Lydia is the jealously territorial mother bird, ready to peck apart any other female who comes too close to her nest. She claims to be helpless without her mate and afraid of being left with an empty nest, but she's stronger than she lets on
The mother in the diner fusses over her little babies and protects them under her wings when they run back to the diner
Mrs. Bundy is the wise old owl who is the only bird expert in town
Mrs. MacGruder runs that whole San Francisco pet shop single-handedly, puppies, toucans(!) and all
Melanie's mother willingly abandons her nest, leaving Melanie to be dysfunctional despite her seemingly privileged upbringing Cathy's only a kid, but she immediately imprints herself onto Melanie at first sight, as baby birds do, so her strength consists of awakening Melanie's dormant maternal instincts
Contrast these with the male characters:
The two shopkeepers of the general store in Bodega Bay, who can't even remember Cathy's name
The sheriff and the cops, who don't have a clue about what to do about the birds, and who conclude, from the evidence at Dan Fawcett's home (he's found lying in a room surrounded by dead birds and feathers, covered with claw scratches and his eyes have been pecked out) that he was killed by a burglar
The drunk at the diner (pleasant fellow, but not a big help) The know-it-all salesman in the diner, who talks big and offers to help the mother and her two children, but doesn't get past the gas station
Mitch is the big, strong guy who does his best to save humanity, but is still held back by his mother's apron strings
Eventually, the Brenners survive the bird attacks, with Mitch basically unchanged in the family dynamic, while you get the sense that Lydia will be at the top of the pecking order--which is what Melanie needed anyway, due to her abandonment issues with her own mother. It's all about the "birds."
There's a similar theme in Shadow of a Doubt--the female characters in that film tend to be more on-the-ball than the male characters, right down to the little girl in the family, who seems to see through good ol' Uncle Charlie before anyone else does. The detective in the film seems almost like an afterthought, as if Hitchcock were required by the studio to include him as a romantic hero, if not much else.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Oct 30, 2017 0:48:17 GMT
This is the only Hitchcock film to make my top 50 and part of reason has to do with the A budget FX in the film. This is perhaps the only sci-fi film AH made and it was interesting to see what he did--using Walt Disney FX technician Ub Iwerks as well as Disney animators for the indoor attack (many of the birds were 2d animations). Makes me wonder what Iwerks would have done if asked to do a Star Wars-type sequence.
I liked the intelligent dialogue--most refreshing when compared to today.
On the other hand Hitchcock was a loyal subject of the big studios and so there is the typical "your society is bad" message in his films and this is no exception. As HP Lovecraft would say the focus on neurosis and chaos is not a Western literary norm (even Poe would inject some success or closure into his stories). In the case of the Birds it ends with doubt and uncertainty which was the spirit of movies (both tv and theatrical) as we moved further into the 60s and 70s.
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