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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 16:40:02 GMT
They make some good points but I think they're being a tad coy because (and I don't think I'm getting carried away when I say this) BUT we are DEFINITELY winning the World Cup... MULTIPLE times! Stare into the camera and say that Neville! BELIEVE!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 17:03:37 GMT
It's a pickle and no mistake.
How can you produce the best talent in the world, in the country with the most lucrative prospects, with unlimited cocaine and alcohol, and then convince them that their journey to greatness rests in discipline and training, when they've already achieved greatness.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 9:08:39 GMT
Perhaps the best quote in that, is Carragher quoting Brendan Rodgers where he said, when you hand out these lucrative contracts to kids you are actually "paying them to fail".
I don't know what the answer to that is though, but I do think when you hand out 20 or 30k a week contracts to 16 or 17 year olds who have achieved NOTHING in the game, because you are afraid you will lose them to someone else, very few are going to excel from that moment onwards... you could be the most talented 17 year old about, but if you don't work on it you are destined to become bang average (at best).
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Nov 1, 2017 11:23:39 GMT
It's a pickle and no mistake. How can you produce the best talent in the world, in the country with the most lucrative prospects, with unlimited cocaine and alcohol, and then convince them that their journey to greatness rests in discipline and training, when they've already achieved greatness. The same way every other country in the world does it presumably. |
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Post by runie on Nov 1, 2017 11:30:01 GMT
The answer comes from the players - to not accept the lucrative contracts. - we have quite a few prospects in germany at the moment and more seem to be willing to go.
parents are also seeing a correlation with big chelsea wages yet no future prospects and are getting involved with their children's future.
so the change has to come from education and mentality.
st georges is not just about coaching the game- it is also about mentality and becoming a decent human being - i think that side is panning out as is clearly the technical side.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 11:46:00 GMT
The answer comes from the players - to not accept the lucrative contracts. - we have quite a few prospects in germany at the moment and more seem to be willing to go. parents are also seeing a correlation with big chelsea wages yet no future prospects and are getting involved with their children's future. so the change has to come from education and mentality. st georges is not just about coaching the game- it is also about mentality and becoming a decent human being - i think that side is panning out as is clearly the technical side. I do believe though you do get better playing or training with better players. So if you are a parent, I think you'd still want your kid to go to the best academy about, which at the moment is Chelsea and Man City. Then when the time comes, and you get offered a lucrative contract before you've even made a first team appearance, let's say 20k/week over 3 years, you are essentially then set for life. I think it is unrealistic many people are going to turn that down when an injury or form or even ability means you in no way guaranteed to make it. I've heard the idea that money should be put into a trust so you can't touch it till you are 25 or 30, but what's to stop someone else offering you that money so you get it now? PS who else is playing in Germany apart from that Sancho lad? |
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Post by runie on Nov 1, 2017 13:27:06 GMT
i read or heard somewhere - go to chelsea no problem - but do not stay on to long - as you will only be loaned and still on a contract with them or play for the under 23's to support that side - but beyond 23 - without experience at big hugely supported matches with fans and management , playing v top teasms players, fans, management you dont have that experience.. so many go non league... the lesser players that came through at palace, southampton. villa etc that start playing early become the better players from expereience not ability.
so go chelsea - but sign til 17-20 max then move on whatever chelsea tell you or pay you
John terry was the last academy player to make it through.
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Post by runie on Nov 1, 2017 13:29:52 GMT
"Willock – whose older brother Matty is a member of Manchester United’s Under-23 squad, while his younger sibling Joe, 17, was also singled out by Wenger last week as one for the future – is the latest in an increasing number of young English players looking to further their careers overseas. The highly rated West Ham prospect Reece Oxford moved to Borussia Mönchengladbach on loan for the season in June, joining the former Crystal Palace and England youth midfielder Mandela Egbo, while Willock’s former team-mate Kaylen Hinds followed Andries Jonker to Wolfsburg when the Dutchman left his role as Arsenal’s head of academy.
The Bundesliga has proved to be a popular destination in recent years – a trend started with Dale Jennings and Michael Mancienne in 2011, who joined Bayern Munich and Hamburg respectively. Yet while the latter was a relative success, playing nearly 50 matches for a side who frequently flirted with relegation before he moved to Nottingham Forest, the former Tranmere winger Jennings failed to make the breakthrough at Bayern and is now without a club at the age of 24 after spells at Barnsley and MK Dons.
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His experience does not seem to have put off a new generation from trying their luck. Danny Collinge, an 18-year-old defender who has played for several of England’s youth sides, is making steady progress at Stuttgart since making the leap in 2014 while Oliver Burke – the Scotland winger signed by RB Leipzig from Forest last January for £13m – played only a bit-part role in their surprise second-place finish in the Bundesliga last season and has returned to England with West Bromwich Albion."
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Post by runie on Nov 1, 2017 13:32:20 GMT
we even have players in spain - there is a half decent product at real betis.
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Post by runie on Nov 1, 2017 13:38:15 GMT
i think one soloution to the problem would be stop the under 23 league and just have a under 20 one - -but then under 23 is standard uefa side and you have a under 23 champs league - or enforce (which was voted against by the english league clubs) to have b teams that cannot get to the PL and only play in the championship or below..
that system is a really huge step for us as a nation and it will hurt the historic nature of our game but it is used in other leagues and to great success,
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Post by runie on Nov 1, 2017 13:59:01 GMT
having 'his one of our own' is sad indictment of the game - to just have one player that starts and is your best is not just a rarity in the PL - we are only talking about 1 starter in 11!!! and what we have zaha and kane only at present - it's pretty terrible imo. those players run there respective teams and kane needs no explaining, but zahas influence has scored the only 4 points for palace.
but POch is doing pretty well for england - pep even if he doesnt bring up foden has turned sterling, stones and delph into great team players that have upped there level with the foreign players on the team.
Its not all doom and gloom and i can deffo see foden being brought in (replacing silva ) in carribo/FA cups and then the odd late sub in the PL.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 16:13:52 GMT
Bloody 'el, Runie, bit of a youth football anorak aren't ya?
Yeah, I think that would be the thing to do, go to the Chelsea or Man City youth academy, then fuck them off when it comes to signing your first pro contact. Hard to turn down the lure of these clubs where you are settled and being offered massive contracts though, I mean some of these players get signed up when they are 6 years old, so you're gonna have quite a strong emotional connection by the time you reach 16/17 I would have thought.
I worry about this Foden kid though, if he develops lightening pace then that will make his life easier, but otherwise I just can't see him getting a chance at City unless he becomes absolutely top drawer. Then if he gets to the age of 23 or 24 without having much experience, the odd loans here and there where you are going to be unsettled and not much time to reach understandings with your team mates like a normal youth player would over a few years, then it seems too late to make it to the top.
But still though, the future is promising, if it was just one youth tournament England won, then it wouldn't really mean much, but three in one calender year, no one has ever done that before, plus we got to another final (lost on penalties) and lost another semi-final on penalties.
Brazil once won a double world cup in a calender year, but we won a double world cup and a euros. That's pretty good.
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