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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 20:16:59 GMT
People will falsely classify you as either a SJW or an alt right extremist these days. Whatever you say, there will be someone who will get offended by you. You cannot just stay silent all the time just to not attract negative attention. Case in point, i was attacked viciously here few days ago, and i was accused of being a SJW. All i did was post a video of a non binary trans person. I guess i offended the alt right extremists by posting that inconsequential video. What does that pertain to? Are we living in a future where our freedom of expression is threatened by these extremists, liberal SJWs or conservative alt right extremists? It was unwanted harassment. I forgive the guilty party behind it. Let us try and focus on a solution. How do we maintain freedom on the internet?link
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 20:28:40 GMT
You're very right about this. The Islam/Muslim issue is the best exemplar of this, whereby there aren't too many people expressing views which are deemed to be moderate. You either end up criticising Islam very harshly, or otherwise it seems as though you are affording Islam special treatment and trying to protect it even though you have no such compunction about criticising Christianity in the harshest terms (and then people will point out your hypocrisy). It's a very polarising issue wherein both sides of the issue repel each other towards the opposite extreme, and I started out quite moderate on Islam but felt pushed further and further towards what some would deem to be the 'alt-right' side (even though there's really nothing right wing about me) because I perceived that there was some kind of hushed reverence towards Islam from the very people who would be very outspoken against Christianity.
It also seems to me that the people who defend Islam are actually being extremely patronising towards those who are not white. So if they are in conversation with white Christians, religion is really stupid and you are intellectually feeble for believing in it. But then when the topic is Islam, the same people are waxing mellifluous about the wonders of multiculturalism and how it's truly a beautiful thing that some people have such a passionate commitment to their faith. So you see a marked shift in paradigm away from making fun of religion because it's stupid (which is what someone such as myself wants to discuss in relation to ALL religion and not just Christianity because they're mostly white which makes it safe to call their religion stupid).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 20:38:46 GMT
You're very right about this. The Islam/Muslim issue is the best exemplar of this, whereby there aren't too many people expressing views which are deemed to be moderate. You either end up criticising Islam very harshly, or otherwise it seems as though you are affording Islam special treatment and trying to protect it even though you have no such compunction about criticising Christianity in the harshest terms (and then people will point out your hypocrisy). It's a very polarising issue wherein both sides of the issue repel each other towards the opposite extreme, and I started out quite moderate on Islam but felt pushed further and further towards what some would deem to be the 'alt-right' side (even though there's really nothing right wing about me) because I perceived that there was some kind of hushed reverence towards Islam from the very people who would be very outspoken against Christianity. It also seems to me that the people who defend Islam are actually being extremely patronising towards those who are not white. So if they are in conversation with white Christians, religion is really stupid and you are intellectually feeble for believing in it. But then when the topic is Islam, the same people are waxing mellifluous about the wonders of multiculturalism and how it's truly a beautiful thing that some people have such a passionate commitment to their faith. So you see a marked shift in paradigm away from making fun of religion because it's stupid (which is what someone such as myself wants to discuss in relation to ALL religion and not just Christianity because they're mostly white which makes it safe to call their religion stupid). I foresee a future where criticizing Islam will be against the law, much like how there are laws against antisemitism. The definition of antisemitism is now updated www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/12/antisemitism-definition-government-combat-hate-crime-jews-israelIn countries in red, Holocaust denial is prohibited by law However, holocaust denial is legal in most countries rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_Holocaust_denial_is_legal
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 20:43:13 GMT
You're very right about this. The Islam/Muslim issue is the best exemplar of this, whereby there aren't too many people expressing views which are deemed to be moderate. You either end up criticising Islam very harshly, or otherwise it seems as though you are affording Islam special treatment and trying to protect it even though you have no such compunction about criticising Christianity in the harshest terms (and then people will point out your hypocrisy). It's a very polarising issue wherein both sides of the issue repel each other towards the opposite extreme, and I started out quite moderate on Islam but felt pushed further and further towards what some would deem to be the 'alt-right' side (even though there's really nothing right wing about me) because I perceived that there was some kind of hushed reverence towards Islam from the very people who would be very outspoken against Christianity. It also seems to me that the people who defend Islam are actually being extremely patronising towards those who are not white. So if they are in conversation with white Christians, religion is really stupid and you are intellectually feeble for believing in it. But then when the topic is Islam, the same people are waxing mellifluous about the wonders of multiculturalism and how it's truly a beautiful thing that some people have such a passionate commitment to their faith. So you see a marked shift in paradigm away from making fun of religion because it's stupid (which is what someone such as myself wants to discuss in relation to ALL religion and not just Christianity because they're mostly white which makes it safe to call their religion stupid). I foresee a future where criticizing Islam will be against the law, much like how there are laws against antisemitism. The definition of antisemitism is now updated www.theguardian.com/society/2016/dec/12/antisemitism-definition-government-combat-hate-crime-jews-israelIn countries in red, Holocaust denial is prohibited by law However, holocaust denial is legal in most countries rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_Holocaust_denial_is_legalI fear exactly the same thing, and those fears are well grounded. For example, Islamic nations have twice lobbied the UN to implement a global blasphemy law with special protections for Islam:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/25/muslims-blasphemy-law-uk-un-mohammed-youtube_n_1912004.html Also the former leader of the Labour party in the UK had promised an anti-Islamophobia law if he was elected (he wasn't). Canada is currently in the process of looking into an Islamophobia law. Ireland and New Zealand have recently updated their blasphemy laws at the behest of Muslims. Basically the Muslims and the useful idiots who are supporting them will use the 'slippery slope' fallacy to claim that if criticism of their faith isn't shut down altogether, it will end up with another holocaust. I have seen this argument used numerous times back on the old board from atheists who seemed otherwise reasonable.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2017 20:56:47 GMT
I fear exactly the same thing, and those fears are well grounded. For example, Islamic nations have twice lobbied the UN to implement a global blasphemy law with special protections for Islam:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/25/muslims-blasphemy-law-uk-un-mohammed-youtube_n_1912004.html Also the former leader of the Labour party in the UK had promised an anti-Islamophobia law if he was elected (he wasn't). Canada is currently in the process of looking into an Islamophobia law. Ireland and New Zealand have recently updated their blasphemy laws at the behest of Muslims. Basically the Muslims and the useful idiots who are supporting them will use the 'slippery slope' fallacy to claim that if criticism of their faith isn't shut down altogether, it will end up with another holocaust. I have seen this argument used numerous times back on the old board from atheists who seemed otherwise reasonable. Thanks for that post. Interesting. I guess if things are moving in that direction, we should try proposing laws that prohibit criticism of the theory of evolution and atheism in general How about laws banning criticism of satanism and right to practice satanism in public ? I would look to see hijabi muslims in nudist colonies, and nude people inside mosques!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 2:16:35 GMT
I fear exactly the same thing, and those fears are well grounded. For example, Islamic nations have twice lobbied the UN to implement a global blasphemy law with special protections for Islam:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/25/muslims-blasphemy-law-uk-un-mohammed-youtube_n_1912004.html Also the former leader of the Labour party in the UK had promised an anti-Islamophobia law if he was elected (he wasn't). Canada is currently in the process of looking into an Islamophobia law. Ireland and New Zealand have recently updated their blasphemy laws at the behest of Muslims. Basically the Muslims and the useful idiots who are supporting them will use the 'slippery slope' fallacy to claim that if criticism of their faith isn't shut down altogether, it will end up with another holocaust. I have seen this argument used numerous times back on the old board from atheists who seemed otherwise reasonable. Thanks for that post. Interesting. I guess if things are moving in that direction, we should try proposing laws that prohibit criticism of the theory of evolution and atheism in general How about laws banning criticism of satanism and right to practice satanism in public ? I would look to see hijabi muslims in nudist colonies, and nude people inside mosques! There should be no banning of criticism of anything.
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