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Post by harpospoke on Nov 11, 2017 23:19:08 GMT
I never said "it makes me happy makes it true". So we agree there. I do care about truth which is why I believe in things which appear to be more logical than religious beliefs. Other people believing in things that make them happy doesn't stop me from doing that. That's where I'm wondering what you are proposing. You and I are already free to believe what we want...so what's the issue? You appear to be desirous of changing what other people believe. Really the nihilistic view is the most logical at the end of the day. Nothing really matters at all so anything does go. If the entire human race died today it actually wouldn't matter. We are likely to be gone in a million years and that's nothing. So our "morals" are pretty fake when you think about it. Why would it matter if we hurt other people? So nihilism can be a problem too. Interesting to talk about really. I'm not a nihilist. I'm an atheist. Most of us are humanist, which means we're moral because we respect the lives of others, the environment, animals, etc.
I'm desirous of people being more educated, yes. Learning all sorts of things, not believing in myths, etc.
I'm proposing education.
I'm not a nihilist either but I admit it sounds like the most logical viewpoint. There is a basic truth that we are a species that has only existed for a short time and will soon be gone. Nothing we think of as important really matters. Our legends like Mozart, Elvis, and Socrates will be forgotten forever. Our existence will not even be a footnote in the story of the universe. Maybe the duck billed platypus will be remembered....they are just weird. I am with you on education. That has been a boon to humanity. It's one of our great achievements. I particularly want better education in poorer parts of the world. That's one more brain that could cure cancer or solve rush hour traffic. But I like it to all be organic instead of trying to push people into new beliefs. That is usually met with resistance...and that leads to bad things. |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 11, 2017 23:20:05 GMT
You did it again! Nice. You actually didn't say anything. Impressive. Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it meaningless. It doesn't make it "Libertarianism," either.  You have a true talent for saying nothing. It's like an episode of Seinfeld. You should write speeches for politicians. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 11, 2017 23:21:29 GMT
Just because you don't understand something doesn't make it meaningless. It doesn't make it "Libertarianism," either. You have a true talent for saying nothing. It's like an episode of Seinfeld. You should write speeches for politicians. For libertarians, right? Who believe that nothing matters, innit? |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 11, 2017 23:21:43 GMT
I'm not a nihilist. I'm an atheist. Most of us are humanist, which means we're moral because we respect the lives of others, the environment, animals, etc.
I'm desirous of people being more educated, yes. Learning all sorts of things, not believing in myths, etc.
I'm proposing education.
I'm not a nihilist either but I admit it sounds like the most logical viewpoint. There is a basic truth that we are a species that has only existed for a short time and will soon be gone. Nothing we think of as important really matters. Our legends like Mozart, Elvis, and Socrates will be forgotten forever. Our existence will not even be a footnote in the story of the universe. Maybe the duck billed platypus will be remembered....they are just weird. I am with you on education. That has been a boon to humanity. It's one of our great achievements. I particularly want better education in poorer parts of the world. That's one more brain that could cure cancer or solve rush hour traffic. But I like it to all be organic instead of trying to push people into new beliefs. That is usually met with resistance...and that leads to bad things. Ok, that's fair. But I don't pretend that believing in a god is a rational point of view, and if somebody asks me I'm not going to pretend. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 11, 2017 23:29:19 GMT
I'm not a nihilist. I'm an atheist. Most of us are humanist, which means we're moral because we respect the lives of others, the environment, animals, etc.
I'm desirous of people being more educated, yes. Learning all sorts of things, not believing in myths, etc.
I'm proposing education.
I'm not a nihilist either but I admit it sounds like the most logical viewpoint. There is a basic truth that we are a species that has only existed for a short time and will soon be gone. Nothing we think of as important really matters. Our legends like Mozart, Elvis, and Socrates will be forgotten forever. Our existence will not even be a footnote in the story of the universe. Maybe the duck billed platypus will be remembered....they are just weird. I am with you on education. That has been a boon to humanity. It's one of our great achievements. I particularly want better education in poorer parts of the world. That's one more brain that could cure cancer or solve rush hour traffic. But I like it to all be organic instead of trying to push people into new beliefs. That is usually met with resistance...and that leads to bad things. I've literally read more coherent thoughts in the sixth-grade ESL class at the poor public school in which I student taught and observed than these two paragraphs. Simply a stunning oversimplification of literally All of Existence. Wow. I see we won't be losing a cancer cure whenever you shuffle off... Yikes... |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 11, 2017 23:29:56 GMT
You have a true talent for saying nothing. It's like an episode of Seinfeld. You should write speeches for politicians. For libertarians, right? Who believe that nothing matters, innit? Repeating the straw man. At least you put a question mark in there. Apparently it doesn't matter that I never said that. It should be obvious that all Libertarians don't hold the exact same views. And it should be obvious that my reference was on one particular point that you missed or ignored in your fervor to find an attack point. |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 11, 2017 23:31:28 GMT
I'm not a nihilist either but I admit it sounds like the most logical viewpoint. There is a basic truth that we are a species that has only existed for a short time and will soon be gone. Nothing we think of as important really matters. Our legends like Mozart, Elvis, and Socrates will be forgotten forever. Our existence will not even be a footnote in the story of the universe. Maybe the duck billed platypus will be remembered....they are just weird. I am with you on education. That has been a boon to humanity. It's one of our great achievements. I particularly want better education in poorer parts of the world. That's one more brain that could cure cancer or solve rush hour traffic. But I like it to all be organic instead of trying to push people into new beliefs. That is usually met with resistance...and that leads to bad things. Ok, that's fair. But I don't pretend that believing in a god is a rational point of view, and if somebody asks me I'm not going to pretend. That's fine too. Although I admit I normally hold my tongue in those situations for social reasons and avoiding hurt feelings. That's a bit of fake morality on my part. |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 11, 2017 23:32:32 GMT
I'm not a nihilist either but I admit it sounds like the most logical viewpoint. There is a basic truth that we are a species that has only existed for a short time and will soon be gone. Nothing we think of as important really matters. Our legends like Mozart, Elvis, and Socrates will be forgotten forever. Our existence will not even be a footnote in the story of the universe. Maybe the duck billed platypus will be remembered....they are just weird. I am with you on education. That has been a boon to humanity. It's one of our great achievements. I particularly want better education in poorer parts of the world. That's one more brain that could cure cancer or solve rush hour traffic. But I like it to all be organic instead of trying to push people into new beliefs. That is usually met with resistance...and that leads to bad things. I've literally read more coherent thoughts in the sixth-grade ESL class at the poor public school in which I student taught and observed than these two paragraphs. Simply a stunning oversimplification of literally All of Existence. Wow. I see we won't be losing a cancer cure whenever you shuffle off... Yikes... But the real question remains... What's the difference between a motorcycle...true or false? |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 11, 2017 23:33:23 GMT
Ok, that's fair. But I don't pretend that believing in a god is a rational point of view, and if somebody asks me I'm not going to pretend. That's fine too. Although I admit I normally hold my tongue in those situations for social reasons and avoiding hurt feelings. That's a bit of fake morality on my part. Well I won't call the person stupid, but I also won't be shy about saying I think it's a bunch of nonsense. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 11, 2017 23:34:43 GMT
I've literally read more coherent thoughts in the sixth-grade ESL class at the poor public school in which I student taught and observed than these two paragraphs. Simply a stunning oversimplification of literally All of Existence. Wow. I see we won't be losing a cancer cure whenever you shuffle off... Yikes... But the real question remains... What's the difference between a motorcycle...true or false? Definitely not even a cure for boredom, either... |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 11, 2017 23:37:49 GMT
But the real question remains... What's the difference between a motorcycle...true or false? Definitely not even a cure for boredom, either... And then they wonder why watermelon sauce is used to keep score at hockey games. AmIright? |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 11, 2017 23:39:09 GMT
Definitely not even a cure for boredom, either... And then they wonder why watermelon sauce is used to keep score at hockey games. AmIright? Nah, whatever you said was the opposite of what is the correct answer to any question about a given topic on a subject. (You have officially been formersamhmd'd!!!1) |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 11, 2017 23:41:20 GMT
And then they wonder why watermelon sauce is used to keep score at hockey games. AmIright? Nah, whatever you said was the opposite of what is the correct answer to any question about a given topic on a subject. (You have officially been formersamhmd 'd!!!1) Well I certainly agree it's possible that David Lee Roth invented the Shakespearean tragedy, I do find it unlikely that Mel Brooks stole the Hope Diamond. |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 11, 2017 23:48:34 GMT
Well I certainly agree it's possible that David Lee Roth invented the Shakespearean tragedy, I do find it unlikely that Mel Brooks stole the Hope Diamond. And stay there.   |
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Post by poelzig on Nov 13, 2017 6:00:52 GMT
Agreed. But I don't stress over it too much. I feel like it's hard to exist and if some can find a kind of peace in believing certain things about the universe I don't mind. The idea of dying and blinking out of existence forever is probably a very disturbing thought to some people. My mom finds great comfort in her bible and that makes me happy for her. I wasn't stressing. I was just discussing how our universe works.
It's ok to find peace, but when you're denying reality to do it, that's just delusional. I would say it's more disturbing for a human being to willing trick themselves to such a degree. The universe is that old, whether it conforms to biblical fairy tales or not.
I know being smug and hateful in an odd passive aggressive way is your identity but is a guy whose entire life consists of blindly worshiping SILLY COSTUMED GOOFBALLS that make turd jokes seriously calling someone else delusional? Can't you just prattle on about the new science fact you learned without insulting someones mother? |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 13, 2017 7:01:02 GMT
I wasn't stressing. I was just discussing how our universe works.
It's ok to find peace, but when you're denying reality to do it, that's just delusional. I would say it's more disturbing for a human being to willing trick themselves to such a degree. The universe is that old, whether it conforms to biblical fairy tales or not.
I know being smug and hateful in an odd passive aggressive way is your identity but is a guy whose entire life consists of blindly worshiping SILLY COSTUMED GOOFBALLS that make turd jokes seriously calling someone else delusional? Can't you just prattle on about the new science fact you learned without insulting someones mother? 99.99% of the time I would agree, but this dude makes even Arch look like a Rhodes scholar. It's actually somewhat astonishing... |
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Post by poelzig on Nov 13, 2017 7:53:01 GMT
I know being smug and hateful in an odd passive aggressive way is your identity but is a guy whose entire life consists of blindly worshiping SILLY COSTUMED GOOFBALLS that make turd jokes seriously calling someone else delusional? Can't you just prattle on about the new science fact you learned without insulting someones mother? 99.99% of the time I would agree, but this dude makes even Arch look like a Rhodes scholar. It's actually somewhat astonishing... I can't fathom anyone or anything making arf arf look intelligent. I admit I didn't really read many of the other guys posts though. That said if you are taking the atheist angle in the debate (no problem if you are) your current avatar seems an odd choice. Also tough Saturday for you and me both and our favorite College Football teams. |
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