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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 4:41:05 GMT
And Gal Gadot is clearly better than the entire thing, holy shit if they don't reboot, they are fucking retarded. What about all those upcoming DCEU films scheduled to be released? Realistically, they'll probably try to just move forward just filming whichever ones they want and dumping or adding others with no real plan. Some will be good, some will be complete trash, but they won't care because there won't be a goal. It'll just be random film after random film with no real point. If that's what you like, you're in for a treat.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 4:41:53 GMT
That's where Flashpoint will come into the picture. How does that help? Isn't it still leaching off the same continuity? They need to completely start over like none of this happened, not transition. Thing is, there isn't a good way out for them at this point. They're in for a rocky road if they stay the course. They're in for a bumpy ride if they Continuity Reset with Flash. And they're still in for a rough time if they just drop everything and reboot. The damage is done and there's no getting away from that no matter what they do.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 4:44:33 GMT
How does that help? Isn't it still leaching off the same continuity? They need to completely start over like none of this happened, not transition. Thing is, there isn't a good way out for them at this point. They're in for a rocky road if they stay the course. They're in for a bumpy ride if they Continuity Reset with Flash. And they're still in for a rough time if they just drop everything and reboot. The damage is done and there's no getting away from that no matter what they do. I agree, BUT
I think a complete reset does give them one advantage in that it's possible to put together a team, publically state that this is going to be a professional dedicated new approach, and let us all absorb it as something unique. If they keep the attachment to what they have, it will always be an anchor to whatever story they are telling.
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Nov 17, 2017 4:46:12 GMT
There's no reason to start over and have flashpoint change it from that point on.
The sad truth is they need to keep rolling out their solo films, don't do a flashpoint movie, and make another JL movie in 5 years or so. Basing your universe on RT is a scary way of doing business.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 4:47:11 GMT
Thing is, there isn't a good way out for them at this point. They're in for a rocky road if they stay the course. They're in for a bumpy ride if they Continuity Reset with Flash. And they're still in for a rough time if they just drop everything and reboot. The damage is done and there's no getting away from that no matter what they do. I agree, BUT
I think a complete reset does give them one advantage in that it's possible to put together a team, publically state that this is going to be a professional dedicated new approach, and let us all absorb it as something unique. If they keep the attachment to what they have, it will always be an anchor to whatever story they are telling.
I agree. I can watch the MCU, start to finish, just fine. Some films are better than others in the series, but they're all decent and watchable. I never want to see Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, or Suicide Squad again as long as I live. And yet they'd be the permanent root of everything that follows after if they stay the course.
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Nov 17, 2017 4:47:54 GMT
Thing is, there isn't a good way out for them at this point. They're in for a rocky road if they stay the course. They're in for a bumpy ride if they Continuity Reset with Flash. And they're still in for a rough time if they just drop everything and reboot. The damage is done and there's no getting away from that no matter what they do. I agree, BUT
I think a complete reset does give them one advantage in that it's possible to put together a team, publically state that this is going to be a professional dedicated new approach, and let us all absorb it as something unique. If they keep the attachment to what they have, it will always be an anchor to whatever story they are telling.
Who starts this new team? Who is the man with the plan if you will. Because as I said already tonight Kevin Feige who created the MCU was fought by big time Hollywood producers when he started his dream universe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 4:50:26 GMT
There's no reason to start over and have flashpoint change it from that point on. The sad truth is they need to keep rolling out their solo films, don't do a flashpoint movie, and make another JL movie in 5 years or so. Basing your universe on RT is a scary way of doing business. The Flashpoint movie is coming. That's actually a thing they're doing. We just have no idea what's its purpose is yet beyond sending The Flash on a time traveling adventure. Its not just RT. Its not projected to do that fantastically. Thor: Ragnarok might very well dominate it at the box office and Star Wars: Episode 8 being just around the corner isn't going to help (I will never understand why they sandwiched Justice League between two major rival films instead of releasing it in either January or Feb where it will have more breathing room).
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 4:52:46 GMT
I agree, BUT
I think a complete reset does give them one advantage in that it's possible to put together a team, publically state that this is going to be a professional dedicated new approach, and let us all absorb it as something unique. If they keep the attachment to what they have, it will always be an anchor to whatever story they are telling.
Who starts this new team? Who is the man with the plan if you will. Because as I said already tonight Kevin Feige who created the MCU was fought by big time Hollywood producers when he started his dream universe. I don't know who it is, maybe it's Whedon, maybe it's somebody else, I have no idea, but they need a lynch pin who can get directors in line with a larger plan but also allow them to work their vision into that plan while providing them with the resources to do so. That ain't easy but anything less will continue to look like a cheap imitation and they'll have permanently damaged their brand by the end of the next decade. I know that sounds like a long time, but these things take years of planning and ever more time to build up a reputation, and even then they still have to get out of the crater they've just dug themselves.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 17, 2017 4:54:44 GMT
I agree, BUT
I think a complete reset does give them one advantage in that it's possible to put together a team, publically state that this is going to be a professional dedicated new approach, and let us all absorb it as something unique. If they keep the attachment to what they have, it will always be an anchor to whatever story they are telling.
I agree. I can watch the MCU, start to finish, just fine. Some films are better than others in the series, but they're all decent and watchable. I never want to see Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, or Suicide Squad again as long as I live. And yet they'd be the permanent root of everything that follows after if they stay the course. I totally agree.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 4:58:51 GMT
I agree. I can watch the MCU, start to finish, just fine. Some films are better than others in the series, but they're all decent and watchable. I never want to see Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, or Suicide Squad again as long as I live. And yet they'd be the permanent root of everything that follows after if they stay the course. I totally agree. As I've said many times, the last best chance WB/DC had to beat Marvel at their own game was in 2005 with Batman Begins back when there wasn't an MCU. Too bad Nolan didn't have the imagination or vision to consider the possibility.
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Nov 17, 2017 5:07:44 GMT
There's no reason to start over and have flashpoint change it from that point on. The sad truth is they need to keep rolling out their solo films, don't do a flashpoint movie, and make another JL movie in 5 years or so. Basing your universe on RT is a scary way of doing business. The Flashpoint movie is coming. That's actually a thing they're doing. We just have no idea what's its purpose is yet beyond sending The Flash on a time traveling adventure. Its not just RT. Its not projected to do that fantastically. Thor: Ragnarok might very well dominate it at the box office and Star Wars: Episode 8 being just around the corner isn't going to help (I will never understand why they sandwiched Justice League between two major rival films instead of releasing it in either January or Feb where it will have more breathing room). The release date is fine. I think we all knew Thor wasn't going to do Avengers numbers, so it wouldn't hurt JL much at all 2 weeks later. Star Wars isn't even a factor. That is a whole month away. Comic book movies make most of their money within that time period anyway. The money is a fanboy thing, I think we should all agree on that one. It is a way to start fights. At the end of the day the studio wants profit, JL will delivery that. Flaspoint seems to still be up in the air. Announced, yes, but with no script, writer or director. I hope it is just a regular Flash movie as it is clear most people liked Ezra Miller as the Flash.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 17, 2017 5:08:34 GMT
I would definitely dump the Joker movie and Batgirl movie, but that's just me.
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Nov 17, 2017 5:10:34 GMT
Who starts this new team? Who is the man with the plan if you will. Because as I said already tonight Kevin Feige who created the MCU was fought by big time Hollywood producers when he started his dream universe. I don't know who it is, maybe it's Whedon, maybe it's somebody else, I have no idea, but they need a lynch pin who can get directors in line with a larger plan but also allow them to work their vision into that plan while providing them with the resources to do so. That ain't easy but anything less will continue to look like a cheap imitation and they'll have permanently damaged their brand by the end of the next decade. I know that sounds like a long time, but these things take years of planning and ever more time to build up a reputation, and even then they still have to get out of the crater they've just dug themselves.
A soft relaunch would be my idea. Do the solo movies for Flash(no Flashpoint), Aquaman(coming next year), Cyborg, Batman, and Superman and Wonder Woman sequels. Then have Darkseid for JL2 somewhere within the next decade. Dosn't that sound like a reasonable plan where you don't blow everything up and start over. Because if that happens its going to be a direct copy of the MCU. We will see little to no difference and that would just be boring.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 5:11:45 GMT
The Flashpoint movie is coming. That's actually a thing they're doing. We just have no idea what's its purpose is yet beyond sending The Flash on a time traveling adventure. Its not just RT. Its not projected to do that fantastically. Thor: Ragnarok might very well dominate it at the box office and Star Wars: Episode 8 being just around the corner isn't going to help (I will never understand why they sandwiched Justice League between two major rival films instead of releasing it in either January or Feb where it will have more breathing room). The release date is fine. I think we all knew Thor wasn't going to do Avengers numbers, so it wouldn't hurt JL much at all 2 weeks later. Star Wars isn't even a factor. That is a whole month away. Comic book movies make most of their money within that time period anyway. The money is a fanboy thing, I think we should all agree on that one. It is a way to start fights. At the end of the day the studio wants profit, JL will delivery that. Flaspoint seems to still be up in the air. Announced, yes, but with no script, writer or director. I hope it is just a regular Flash movie as it is clear most people liked Ezra Miller as the Flash. Yeah, but can JL make enough profit to satisfy them? That's the issue. Flashpoint is unfortunately as far from a regular Flash movie as you can get in and of itself. I'd rather they just not do Flash at all and just start simple.
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Nov 17, 2017 5:17:46 GMT
Yeah, but can JL make enough profit to satisfy them? That's the issue. Flashpoint is unfortunately as far from a regular Flash movie as you can get in and of itself. I'd rather they just not do Flash at all and just start simple. They certainly have the time, that isn't an issue. I see none of the upcoming releases before Star Wars that look they it will open above 30 or 40 million. Lets be honest and talk as adults without fighting. Would you agree JL should be able to make 900 million? I know, and that is why I don't want a Flashpoint movie just yet. I think a solo Flash film would be simple, as long as it is not Flashpoint.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 5:23:34 GMT
Yeah, but can JL make enough profit to satisfy them? That's the issue. Flashpoint is unfortunately as far from a regular Flash movie as you can get in and of itself. I'd rather they just not do Flash at all and just start simple. They certainly have the time, that isn't an issue. I see none of the upcoming releases before Star Wars that look they it will open above 30 or 40 million. Lets be honest and talk as adults without fighting. Would you agree JL should be able to make 900 million? I know, and that is why I don't want a Flashpoint movie just yet. I think a solo Flash film would be simple, as long as it is not Flashpoint. I'm not entirely convinced, but I hope JL does enough to make WB not lose their nerve. What baffles me is that the DCEU architects really seem to only want to take from recent comic book stories, instead of embracing the classics. Really, Flashpoint is the only thing they could think of to do with a character that's been gracing the comic page for 80 years now?
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Post by CowherPowerForever on Nov 17, 2017 5:26:01 GMT
I'm not entirely convinced, but I hope JL does enough to make WB not lose their nerve. What baffles me is that the DCEU architects really seem to only want to take from recent comic book stories, instead of embracing the classics. Really, Flashpoint is the only thing they could think of to do with a character that's been gracing the comic page for 80 years now? No, buts its the best a business man came up with. I would cut off my left leg if Geoff Johns actually has the control Kevin Feige has. Thats how confident I am that he doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 5:28:15 GMT
I'm not entirely convinced, but I hope JL does enough to make WB not lose their nerve. What baffles me is that the DCEU architects really seem to only want to take from recent comic book stories, instead of embracing the classics. Really, Flashpoint is the only thing they could think of to do with a character that's been gracing the comic page for 80 years now? No, buts its the best a business man came up with. I would cut off my left leg if Geoff Johns actually has the control Kevin Feige has. Thats how confident I am that he doesn't. Which is odd considering that Flashpoint isn't even the highest selling Flash story ever published, nor it is even the most beloved one. You'd think the numbers on their charts would show that.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 17, 2017 5:30:51 GMT
I've lost a lot for respect for Whedon this year - First he returns to Twitter and writes some of the most bafflingly stupid things ever, then his wife reveals he cheated on her multiple times over, and now he's being very unprofessional about a movie he worked on on the eve of its release.
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Post by northernlad on Nov 17, 2017 5:32:30 GMT
I would definitely dump the Joker movie and Batgirl movie, but that's just me. Hell yeah! Agreed with this. No way in hell either of these need to happen.
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