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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 18, 2017 20:56:09 GMT
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 18, 2017 21:15:54 GMT
So I haven't seen JL yet, but critics all seem to agree that Steppenwolf is a weak villain for the following reasons- 1) Poor physical screen presence due to being a CGI creation. 2) Generic super villain plot of wanting to destroy Earth for... Reasons 3) Generic personality with no nuance or depth 4) Controls an army of generic alien pawns So will Thanos avoid being the same exact character with the same exact flaws?? Seems to me that he will have all four of those flaws in abundance. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how he could be any better. Especially in regard to problem #1. CGI villains always suck. Always. Doomsday, Azog, Borg, Ultron, Abomination. They all suck. WHAT SAY YOU? I don't think it will be a problem because Marvel is better at villains than DC is. The 3 best villains of the year were all Marvel villains. Everyone else had weak ones. 1-Marvel does CGI characters very well. Just saw the Hulk killing it with audiences and critics in Thor 3. Obviously Rocket and Groot in GotG are a huge hit as well. There is a good way to do it as well as a bad way. JL was the bad way. If Thanos is CGI I don't see it being an issue. 2-Marvel villains have real reasons. Hela was motivated by her rage at being "betrayed" by Odin and the lost destiny of Asgard. Vulture was motivated by being screwed over by the government. Ego was motivated by his...ego...that his evolution was more important than anything else in the universe. This is an odd complaint from DC fans...who normally cite The Dark Knight as their favorite CBM with a villain who has no motivation or that a desire to "watch the world burn". 3-Again, Marvel villains this year had five distinct personalities. Ego, Vulture, Hela, Grandmaster, and Loki are all unique personalities unlike any of the others. 4-That could be an issue. But it's been going on in many CBMs including some of the ones I liked so it must not be a big deal. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 23:05:10 GMT
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 18, 2017 23:20:42 GMT
You should be! This place is a sideshow! Innit? Not til the Apes take over. Then it'll be a real madhouse. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 0:48:34 GMT
He wants the Infinity Stones, yes, but not why you'd think he does. Why does he want them? Don't get all cryptic on me, Raptor! He wants to date the Goddess of Death, but he has to rise to the level of being a god himself before he's worthy of her attentions. Everything he does over the course of Infinity Wars in the comics is to impress his girlfriend. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 19, 2017 5:41:38 GMT
He has had much more build up and has a presence throughout multiple films even when he isn't even featured. Audiences didn't know how to react to Steppenwolf, they know how to react to Thanos by now. I don't. It's cool that all the Stone thingys were introduced over fifteen movies. I love stuff like that, but as for the character- We just know he's a big bad dude that wants to invade Earth. Agreed. 17 movies and the only things we know about Thanos are:
1. He's purple. 2. He's always sitting in a chair and never does anything. 3. He wants these MacGuffin Infinity Stones, although it's never explained why he wants them.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 19, 2017 5:54:38 GMT
I don't. It's cool that all the Stone thingys were introduced over fifteen movies. I love stuff like that, but as for the character- We just know he's a big bad dude that wants to invade Earth. Agreed. 17 movies and the only things we know about Thanos are:
1. He's purple. 2. He's always sitting in a chair. 3. He wants these MacGuffin Infinity Stones, although it's never explained why he wants them.
Uh oh, someone's afraid and jealous that the MCU will have another hit while DC is most likely in damage control right now with Justice League's poor reception |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 19, 2017 7:25:27 GMT
Steppenwolf is my absolute favorite DC villain - said nobody - ever. The decision to use him as the forerunner to Darkseid was a colossal miscalculation. Can you imagine being a concept artist or VFX animator working on bringing a no-name brand, D level character to life? What a thrill! Can you blame them for how the final product turned out? Amongst the pantheon of New Gods, he's a throwaway villain. What happened to Kalibak, Granny Goodness, or Desaad? Any one of them would have been a stronger choice. All three of them would have made history. 1). Thanos' screen presence looked good to me at Comic-Con. It looked really good. That said, he is a CGI character, and he does suffer from the limitations of being such. Being a CGI character doesn't automatically mean failure. 2). Thanos wants the UNIVERSE - the stakes literally can't get any higher. 3). That remains to be seen. 4). The Black Order is no generic army of pawns. I don't even need to see Justice League to know it failed miserably in the one department that could have made it the greatest superhero team-up movie of all time - it failed to go FULL KIRBY (unlike Thor Ragnarok which is a love letter to Jack Kirby). Yeah, but does the general population know who Thanos is? A lot of comic fans didn't even know who he was when he appeared in the post credit scene. And if they're basically both CGI alien humanoids then what's the difference really? He isn't The Joker, or Green Goblin or Red Skull. He's not even close to being a household name. And why does wanting the UNIVERSE make him any more interesting? It's still the same paper thin desire for ultimate power. Thanos' appearance in Infinity War will be the culmination of years worth of planning, effort and thought both in front of and behind the camera for Marvel. It is rumored that over 60 characters in the MCU will appear in IW and the majority of them will be locked in a struggle against Thanos and his Black Order. Marvel has been promoting Thanos since the first Avengers in comic books, video games, animated featured and I think that by now, people who are invested in the MCU, know who Thanos is by name if not by deeds and motivation. Thanos' performance is Josh Brolin's voice and mo-cap work. I don't think Ciarán Hinds was even required to be present on the set of Justice League at all. If you're genuinely concerned that Thanos is going to be another Scorpion King - and that could well be the case - you should forfeit your ticket to IW now. |
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Post by merh on Nov 19, 2017 8:55:24 GMT
He has had much more build up and has a presence throughout multiple films even when he isn't even featured. Audiences didn't know how to react to Steppenwolf, they know how to react to Thanos by now. I don't. It's cool that all the Stone thingys were introduced over fifteen movies. I love stuff like that, but as for the character- We just know he's a big bad dude that wants to invade Earth. Go back & watch Avengers. The Other tells him humans are unruly so they can't be ruled. To deal with them is to court death. He wants to kill every living thing in the universe to show his devotion to the incarnation of Death. Problem is, She likes Deadpool. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 20:48:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 20:49:50 GMT
Why does he want them? Don't get all cryptic on me, Raptor! He wants to date the Goddess of Death, but he has to rise to the level of being a god himself before he's worthy of her attentions. Everything he does over the course of Infinity Wars in the comics is to impress his girlfriend. Wait... So that's Hela then? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 1:42:37 GMT
He wants to date the Goddess of Death, but he has to rise to the level of being a god himself before he's worthy of her attentions. Everything he does over the course of Infinity Wars in the comics is to impress his girlfriend. Wait... So that's Hela then? In the movies, maybe. Not in the comics.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 20, 2017 4:46:07 GMT
Yeah, but does the general population know who Thanos is? A lot of comic fans didn't even know who he was when he appeared in the post credit scene. And if they're basically both CGI alien humanoids then what's the difference really? He isn't The Joker, or Green Goblin or Red Skull. He's not even close to being a household name. And why does wanting the UNIVERSE make him any more interesting? It's still the same paper thin desire for ultimate power. Thanos' appearance in Infinity War will be the culmination of years worth of planning, effort and thought both in front of and behind the camera for Marvel. It is rumored that over 60 characters in the MCU will appear in IW and the majority of them will be locked in a struggle against Thanos and his Black Order. Marvel has been promoting Thanos since the first Avengers in comic books, video games, animated featured and I think that by now, people who are invested in the MCU, know who Thanos is by name if not by deeds and motivation. Thanos' performance is Josh Brolin's voice and mo-cap work. I don't think Ciarán Hinds was even required to be present on the set of Justice League at all. If you're genuinely concerned that Thanos is going to be another Scorpion King - and that could well be the case - you should forfeit your ticket to IW now. Whatever they've done with Thanos, he is certainly being talked about in this thread so something is working. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 20, 2017 4:49:09 GMT
Thanos' appearance in Infinity War will be the culmination of years worth of planning, effort and thought both in front of and behind the camera for Marvel. It is rumored that over 60 characters in the MCU will appear in IW and the majority of them will be locked in a struggle against Thanos and his Black Order. Marvel has been promoting Thanos since the first Avengers in comic books, video games, animated featured and I think that by now, people who are invested in the MCU, know who Thanos is by name if not by deeds and motivation. Thanos' performance is Josh Brolin's voice and mo-cap work. I don't think Ciarán Hinds was even required to be present on the set of Justice League at all. If you're genuinely concerned that Thanos is going to be another Scorpion King - and that could well be the case - you should forfeit your ticket to IW now. Whatever they've done with Thanos, he is certainly being talked about in this thread so something is working. I'm not saying Thanos is going to be the best villain of all time but, comparing him to a throwaway like Steppenwolf is mildly offensive. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 6:15:34 GMT
Apparently infinity war will be a thanos movie. Additionally the Russos compared him to Darth Vader
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 20, 2017 6:29:10 GMT
Apparently infinity war will be a thanos movie. Additionally the Russos compared him to Darth Vader Thanos will probably be more like the Dark Overlord of the Universe rather than like Darth Vader. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 20, 2017 12:35:25 GMT
Apparently infinity war will be a thanos movie. Additionally the Russos compared him to Darth Vader Thanos will probably be more like the Dark Overlord of the Universe rather than like Darth Vader. The Dark Overlord was a fine villain, just wasn't in a fine movie. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 20, 2017 13:21:08 GMT
Hopefully by giving him enough screen time to develop and flesh out his character more. I'm tired of villians like Steppenwolf.
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Post by merh on Nov 21, 2017 3:50:24 GMT
Apparently infinity war will be a thanos movie. Additionally the Russos compared him to Darth Vader Dr Doom was inspiration for Vader. |
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